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Post by Yambag Jones on Jun 19, 2020 21:55:42 GMT -5
I get that. For whatever reason, I believe him and Riddle. I don’t believe Ligero though. I’ve heard bad stuff about him for years Ligero didn't anything, and basically owned it on his Twitter. Totally my bad. I thought I saw someone say he was denying. Thanks for setting that straight. This is a whirlwind right now.
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Post by hitmancmedge on Jun 19, 2020 22:06:10 GMT -5
It’s a tough tough thing man, I don’t even feel like I have a right to say anything. Riddle does seem like he is telling the truth and a completely reasonable story. Had an affair, ended it and she decided to go after him. I’m sure Riddle has some sort of proof, and his attorney to back him up. But man, just definitely seems like a change in culture is needed.
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Post by LK3 on Jun 19, 2020 23:16:54 GMT -5
WWE released a statement about suspending talent if they are arrested for these allegations, and firing them if they are convicted. Kind of odd to then release only Gallagher.
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Jun 19, 2020 23:38:19 GMT -5
Dream Over
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Post by wheeljack83 on Jun 20, 2020 0:43:45 GMT -5
So we are just not allowed to talk about all these #SpeakingOut Allegations and events that are coming out for the industry? They are all over the place in WWE and NXT UK and the indie wrestling scene.
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Post by wheeljack83 on Jun 20, 2020 0:49:50 GMT -5
Look, beyond what's happening with the NXT and NXT UK wrestlers, a lot of allegations are coming to light now. And look, I begrudge no one who is taking a wait and see approach to some of this. I understand. I do believe in due process and not ruining someone's life just because of social media and the court of public opinion.
However, the allegations are certainly out there, and they are coming out for many people under the WWE banner and elsewhere.
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Post by Mox on Jun 20, 2020 1:07:40 GMT -5
The law will investigate and decide what to do next. Something that doesn't get discussed enough is the importance of coming forward right away and notifying the authorities when you're assaulted. That is a conversation every parent needs to be having with their children. It's so important. I know why victims don't, but that's exactly why we need to have that conversation.
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Post by CM Tusk on Jun 20, 2020 1:15:04 GMT -5
I don’t see this lasting long, as the issue with open discussion of this type of stuff goes south quickly. If you’re on twitter, you can see that. Wrestling fans have a tendency to argue and also, no offense to anyone here, make inappropriate jokes because lack of maturity. There are many accusations out there right now. Quite a few have a lot of back up and proof. Guys like David Starr, Jack Gallagher, and Dave Crist can’t be denied. Some have less information at the moment. Fans will be quick to defend their favorites and demand concrete evidence. The phrase “Quilty until proven innocent” will be thrown around a lot. Sadly, not all sexual abuse can be proven. Especially from years ago. Doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Rape isn’t exactly recorded or done in public eye. I think it’s best everyone, if you’re truly a fan, sit back and see how most cases play out and see if more evidence from others comes out. In the cases where it’s obviously true, condemn those workers.
Don’t attack anyone accusing until it can be proven that what they are saying has no truth of it. Just because they don’t have a ton of proof doesn’t mean someone else won’t. For example, what’s happening with Dream.
It’s only the tip of the iceberg friends. More names will come out. Some of your favorites may be exposed. Handle it maturely, please. I only say this because friends of mine in the business have been victims. I know their stories are true. Some haven’t been shared yet.
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Jun 20, 2020 1:31:38 GMT -5
It's been debunked as a fake list. This should probably be locked.
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Post by The Real Chillary on Jun 20, 2020 3:27:58 GMT -5
Man, the UK scene is a dark place IF these stories are true.
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Post by The American Daydream on Jun 20, 2020 5:34:57 GMT -5
So we are just not allowed to talk about all these #SpeakingOut Allegations and events that are coming out for the industry? They are all over the place in WWE and NXT UK and the indie wrestling scene. my question as well although I suppose the short answer would be yes but be civil about it and no bc it will inevitably get locked but either way it should be a subject of discussion given its current prominence in Wrestling. Besides, to silence the conversation is to silence the voice of the victims and that would be ridiculous. Not looking good for Dream either atm.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2020 5:37:33 GMT -5
There’s more stuff from Velveteen. Time for him to go. I’m so disappointed that some people I really liked turned out to be scum bags. I started training around 17 at a local indy and saw how some of the “vets” were and knew it was only a matter of time before something happened and decided then I didn’t really want to be in the wrestling business
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Post by tylerbreezee on Jun 20, 2020 6:18:23 GMT -5
Who knows what to believe. Things can be so easily manipulated in today’s age of technology, there’s no way of proving anything is real unless the person records themself going into their phone, opening the app, and going into the conversation that shows they were really messaging said persons actual account.
The same go for words. That girl said those things about Enzo for no real valid reason and everyone believed her and she cost the guy his job and part of his reputation. No reason to do it, but people do it anyway.
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Post by hitmancmedge on Jun 20, 2020 6:41:16 GMT -5
WWE released a statement about suspending talent if they are arrested for these allegations, and firing them if they are convicted. Kind of odd to then release only Gallagher. He apparently tried to contact the woman yesterday, someone shared texts, they told him no, she didn’t want to talk to him and he kept pushing the issue, he also pretty much admitted he did it in those texts. I don’t know if there is more to that story, but he definitely was attempting to get to the woman yesterday. Hell maybe it was like Swann where they were gonna suspend him indefinitely and he asked to be released I don’t know.
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Post by wheeljack83 on Jun 20, 2020 6:44:26 GMT -5
It's been debunked as a fake list. This should probably be locked. What happened to Jack Gallagher is not fake. And WWE has already announced they are investigating and looking into the Matt Riddle claims. This thread should NOT be locked. And clearly not all of what's coming out has been faked. Hey Mox, not trying to be a jerk, and I can understand this from a logic perspective. At the same time, when someone has been traumatized for sexual assault, can we really blame them for not thinking straight and knowing what to do? And what if they do go forward and the crimes are either not prosecuted due to lack of evidence, etc? I mean I agree, we need to have this conversation. Why do accusers go to social media? Because they can voice their allegations from a very safe distance. Not only that, on social media there is safety in numbers. So in other words, people do not feel safe reporting these crimes or sharing them to the authorities. If anything, that sounds like just as big of a problem to me. Perhaps women or victims in such crimes do not feel as if the legal system is looking out for their best interests in the act of such crimes or proving they took place. First of all clownboi, I am sorry what happened to your friends. I think we should at the very least listen maturely about any claims and stories of abuse. I also believe you are making valid points and what you are saying is likely why victims do not come forward or why they do not report on the crimes to the authorities. That's a conversation that needs to be had IMO. These stories are a reason no matter your fandom you need to keep your role models at arm's length and not deify them. Why? Because they are human beings just like everyone else.
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Post by tylerbreezee on Jun 20, 2020 6:47:14 GMT -5
It's been debunked as a fake list. This should probably be locked. What happened to Jack Gallagher is not fake. And WWE has already announced they are investigating and looking into the Matt Riddle claims. This thread should NOT be locked. And clearly not all of what's coming out has been faked. Hey Mox, not trying to be a jerk, and I can understand this from a logic perspective. At the same time, when someone has been traumatized for sexual assault, can we really blame them for not thinking straight and knowing what to do? And what if they do go forward and the crimes are either not prosecuted due to lack of evidence, etc? I mean I agree, we need to have this conversation. Why do accusers go to social media? Because they can voice their allegations from a very safe distance. Not only that, on social media there is safety in numbers. So in other words, people do not feel safe reporting these crimes or sharing them to the authorities. If anything, that sounds like just as big of a problem to me. Perhaps women or victims in such crimes do not feel as if the legal system is looking out for their best interests in the act of such crimes or proving they took place. I was sexually assaulted in the workplace and went straight to my boss and corporate. I was 20, the guy was much older, he grabbed my pecs and shook them and would follow me around work. What makes it worse is that he thought I was 16 and he knowingly did that. All my job did was move the store he worked at. The whole time I thought he was fired until I went to the other store to go shopping and saw him working there 🤷🏼♂️ Not to be that guy, but if it happened to a woman the guy would’ve been fired.
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Post by mrassbillygunn on Jun 20, 2020 6:51:01 GMT -5
Who are all the names mentioned? Give me the dirt!
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Post by tylerbreezee on Jun 20, 2020 6:53:27 GMT -5
Who are all the names mentioned? Give me the dirt! Biggest one is Riddle, but he, his wife, and lawyer have records that they’ve had past issues with the woman making the allegations
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Post by tylerbreezee on Jun 20, 2020 7:04:36 GMT -5
ALSO not to be that guy again, in Dreams case, the age of consent in 39 states is between 16-17 and a lot of states have age gaps.
We don’t know what sates they’re from, so for all we know it’s legal in that state they live in
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Post by Yambag Jones on Jun 20, 2020 7:11:05 GMT -5
ALSO not to be that guy again, in Dreams case, the age of consent in 39 states is between 16-17 and a lot of states have age gaps. We don’t know what sates they’re from, so for all we know it’s legal in that state they live in No
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