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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on May 25, 2020 23:50:44 GMT -5
So I thought this thread was deleted and am only now seeing the response and I did not mean to imply wrestlers are useless, but rather I'm just surprised how many lack interesting personalities or other talents.
So in the world of entertainment and sports, athletes and performers typically have a special talent. An example would be Beyoncé being as much of an icon and influence in the dance community for her skill and creativity as she is a vocal artist. An example on the athletic side would be a basketball player being able to do magic tricks or has great comedic timing and actually does well when cast in a movie as a cash grab and ends up becoming a respected comedy actor. Just something unexpected and entertaining that makes the individual come across as being more than just a singer or football player etc.
Something I’ve noticed over the years is that an overwhelming number of wrestlers do not have those abilities. I’ve always noticed that 90% of wrestlers can’t act, cant sing, don’t speak well in public, and are basically useless outside of a ring and even in the ring they aren’t worth much. Even with exceptions of the people who are so damn good at being pro wrestlers they’re literal savants because nothing else they could ever do in life could come close.
This is probably the most random thing I’ve ever posted but every time I see social media from any of the modern talent, they’re boring human beings. Whether they’re trying to do tiktok trends, interviews, blogging, they’re basically fitness influencers that take bumps and promote T-Shirts and I don’t know what the heck to make of how the generation with the most media attention has the least charisma to capitalize on that attention.
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Post by Evil Abed on May 26, 2020 0:33:15 GMT -5
Just curious where you're getting these numbers from, 90% of wrestlers, says who?
I mean I don't know them all personally but I highly doubt that. Theres a difference between Lana trying to make it seem anyone gives a crap about her dance moves on Tik Tok and someone like Nigel McGuinness who I just watched on Table for 3 today with Cesaro and Rollins, and learned he's a pretty damn good magician.
Elias obviously knows how to play guitar, Jerry Lawler and Jeff Hardy are amazing artists, Mick Foley was a best selling author, Shinsuke is a good surfer, Daniel Bryan clearly cares about the planet and gives back, and so many superstars do public appearances and speaking all over the world.
I really don't know what to make of this post, but I think you're wrong.
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Post by FLUX '97 on May 26, 2020 1:03:43 GMT -5
Considering they're being paid to wrestle and not being paid to find out what sideshow talent they may possess, I don't think it really matters.
Quite a few WWE stars come from various backgrounds in other sports (Roman, Goldberg, Brock, Lashley, Gable, Shayna, The IIconics, Alexa, Sonya, plenty others)
Others come from military backgrounds (Lacey, Montez Ford, Jaxson Ryker)
Others have been in multiple movies and TV shows (Miz, Becky, Lana)
And then there are people who do great work in their respective communities (Sonya, Ali)
Just because they don't showcase talents of other varieties doesn't mean they're not there.
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Post by RuthlessFigs on May 26, 2020 1:19:52 GMT -5
To put it short, this post is basically saying - "Wrestler's are good at wrestling, and useless at everything else"
I don't really agree with that at all. Everyone's different & has their own unique qualities. Someone might suck at one thing, but excel at something else. One example that came to my head is Tyler Bate. You watch him in interviews and they're almost unbearable because he's not a great public speaker, but then you watch him play Piano & see how much musical talent he has.
Like mentioned above, there's actually quite a few Wrestler's that have non-wrestling talent. - Elias: He has Musical talent and a good voice. He could make some really good songs if he wanted to. - Jeff Hardy: Jeff's has great Artistic talent. He also has Musical talent too, his Music career isn't too bad. - Jerry Lawler: Also has great Artistic talent. - Mick Foley: He's a great Author, Writer, and Comedian. - Shinsuke: He's a talented Surfer.
To add a few that i can think of: - Tyler Bate: He's a good Musician. - Xavier Woods: Obviously has a PHD in Psychology. - Michelle McCool: A former Teacher. - Matt Striker: Also a former Teacher. - Braun Strowman: From that one segment with Elias, Braun showed off that he has some good Singing talent. - John Cena: A good Actor. - The Miz: Also a good Actor. As i'm recently discovering, he also seems to be a talented Golfer. - Dolph Ziggler: A good Comedian. - Matt Hardy: Matt has great Creative talent. If he had the budget & freedom to create a Movie or film of some sort, his talent would shine in that. - Bray Wyatt: Just like Matt Hardy, if he could apply his creative talent to film, he'd shine. - Naomi: She's a talented Dancer - Mickie James: Has Musical talent and a so far decent Music career. - Brodie Lee: In the few roles he's had, he's shown that he's a pretty good Actor.
I'm sure there's a lot more, but those are some i could think of. Pretty much every Wrestler has some level of acting talent regardless. Considering (i'd say) 90% of them can go out there & play a unique, and convincing character. Complete with crowd interaction & expressions while selling offence.
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Post by TheXtremisT on May 26, 2020 4:51:05 GMT -5
I don't think this necessarily comes down to "other talents" and more the fact that the OP is noticing a lot of wrestlers nowadays are not as good on the mic/in promos as in the past and personalities aren't either given the chance to shine or the wrestlers lack the "X factor".
Obviously WWE don't allow a lot of them creative freedom, but also alot of them just seem to lack certain qualities.
Go back to the 80s when a lot of top wrestlers could sell a feud/match with their promos and tell me they had/displayed/utilised "other talents" in their personality for the purpose of bringing in money. Ask yourself the same question referring to that era. Were the wrestlers allowed to show those talents or were they good at talking and portrayed their characters well?
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Post by PJ on May 26, 2020 8:01:47 GMT -5
Why is this on the Classic board? Maybe it should be in the lounge?
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Post by Mongo Bears on May 26, 2020 8:29:23 GMT -5
See,.when I started watching in the 80’s,..I saw that wrestlers did more than body builders and boxing is so limited. Stunt men of Hollywood don’t do promos and superhero superpowers aren’t real.
Many guys talents were other sports before wrestling. Olympic weightlifters like Mark Henry, Olympic wrestlers like Kurt Angle, amateur wrestlers like the Steiners, Ex-pro and collegiate football players, etc.
Jesse Ventura became Governor of Minnesota. The Rock is well known beyond wrestling.
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Post by sonstuds on May 26, 2020 9:14:57 GMT -5
I mean ... I don't know why this is applied to just single out wrestlers. I'm sure if you looked at the employees of a Fortune 500 company you wouldn't find many who could sing or act either, if that's your only definition of "talent".
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Post by CM Poor on May 26, 2020 10:40:17 GMT -5
I think you're equating "talent" to a vehicle for crossover fame, and even in that narrow respect, I still think you're wrong.
Just to piggyback off of the examples already listed above:
Mojo Rawley has a crazy penchant for academics, has an MBA in finance, and started down that path when he interned with Morgan Stanley in the seventh grade. Muhammad Hassan is a middle school principal. Kane obviously has a penchant for politics, community outreach, and public speaking, given his relatively recent election as Mayor of Knox County, TN. Chris Jericho, who I'm surprised hasn't been mentioned yet, is obviously a gifted performer and songwriter, whether his music tickles your fancy or not. CM Punk has written a handful of comic books for a couple of major publishers. Scott Steiner owns and operates a Shoney's restaurant in Georgia. Rick Steiner is a licensed real estate agent. Diamond Dallas Page has obviously created an entirely new brand for himself as a yoga instructor, and his program goes well beyond run of the mill yoga into fitness and lifestyle changes.
Obviously not all of these gigs have the same glamorous appeal of "Hollywood's most in-demand actor Dwayne "The Rock Johnson", but to write them off as "basically useless" is an affront to the types of things that basically keep society moving along in various different aspects. In many cases, they're jobs that many people clearly take for granted in our day to day lives, and they each require their own special skill set.
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Post by k5 on May 26, 2020 10:42:29 GMT -5
can’t say I agree with this one, I’d wager a high percentage of professional athletes don’t have some side talent they choose to express.
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Post by Joey Cush on May 26, 2020 11:56:25 GMT -5
What an odd thread. Most wrestlers in WWE will argue working for Vince sets them up for life outside of Pro Wrestling. In WWE you are reading off scripts, improv in the ring, working the cameras, feeling and working the live audience, working with creative and thats just a day of TV. They do interviews for local radio, PR, TV guests and a lot more.
As far as hobbies go, Im sure its incredibly hard for these stars to find the time to do things outside of what WWE has them doing. Even then, Xavier Woods has his gaming channel, Jericho had his band.
And calling a number of these superstars useless outside the ring is pretty ignorant IMO.
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Post by Jack Specific on May 26, 2020 12:56:26 GMT -5
It already takes a ton of talent & skill to do what they do. Wrestling is so multi-faceted. They are (in no particular order):
Athlete Body Builder Stuntman Actor Illusionist wrestler Public Speaker
Of course some more than others but you have to respect what they do and how hard they work.
JS
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Post by Grumpyoldman on May 26, 2020 13:40:10 GMT -5
Maybe they do, but they keep it private or personal.
How would you feel if you found out George Steele loved gardening? It would probably shatter the whole illusion of what he spent years building.
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Post by rowdy1971 on May 26, 2020 14:14:20 GMT -5
Maybe they do, but they keep it private or personal. How would you feel if you found out George Steele loved gardening? It would probably shatter the whole illusion of what he spent years building. George Steele, while still being a worker, was a high school football coach. That takes some talent I would think.
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Post by TheLastDude on May 26, 2020 14:41:30 GMT -5
With all the crap going on in the world and in wrestling in particular, why make a thread with an underlying tone of even more negativity?
This line especially:
Seriously?
This thread could have been a really cool idea if you got us all brainstorming by saying "What other talents have you seen pro wrestlers display?" But instead, we basically had to rally around in defense.
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Post by Artie Kendall on May 26, 2020 14:59:23 GMT -5
George Steele, while still being a worker, was a high school football coach. That takes some talent I would think. And even dabbled in some acting in his post-career days.
Don't you wanna do another take Ed? Seems like big baldy had some problems gettin' through that door
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Post by JC Motors on May 26, 2020 16:49:33 GMT -5
Gene Snitsky played High School football for Panther Valley HS and college football for Missouri. He's also part owner of a Military surplus store in Hamburg PA, called Priority One Surplus. On top of that he starred twice as an actor on the ABC hidden camera show, What Would You Do? and Recently starred in a Horror movie called 1000 Acres From Hell.
Chris Jericho sings and plays in his own band called Fozzy.
Mick Foley is an accomplished author who never used a ghostwriter. He's also a stand up comedian
I believe Dolph Ziggler is also a Stand Up Comedian
Lita was a singer in a band called the Luchagors.
John Cena is now trying his hand in acting roles. He's been in ads for Hefty and Experian. He's also a rapper.
Kane owns his own insurance agency and has gotten into politics being elected Mayor of Knox County Tennessee.
Ashley Massaro was a on air radio personality.
Wendi Richter is in the real estate business.
David Otunga is a Harvard Graduate Lawyer.
Sylvester Terkay was working as a car salesman at Washington Toyota in PA. Last time I checked he's no longer working there.
Macho Man Randy Savage was a talented Baseball player.
Bam Bam Bigelow owned a short lived restaurant
I think Justin Credible was working at Target if I remember correctly.
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Post by bWo on May 26, 2020 17:04:27 GMT -5
With all the crap going on in the world and in wrestling in particular, why make a thread with an underlying tone of even more negativity? This line especially: Seriously? This thread could have been a really cool idea if you got us all brainstorming by saying "What other talents have you seen pro wrestlers display?" But instead, we basically had to rally around in defense.Nobody "had" to do anything. He had an opinion/question and posted it. No need to make a mountain out of a mole.
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Post by The Real Chillary on May 26, 2020 17:52:57 GMT -5
Doink was a clown, TL Hopper was a plumber, Duke "The Dumpster" Droese was a garbage man, Isaac Yankem was a dentist, The Goon was a hockey player. There are many wrestlers with other talents and skills.
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Post by RuthlessFigs on May 26, 2020 20:06:34 GMT -5
Chris Jericho, who I'm surprised hasn't been mentioned yet, is obviously a gifted performer and songwriter, whether his music tickles your fancy or not. I knew there was one i forgot
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