Old Zeke
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'Fraid old Zeke, he rides up here with me. Can't trust a pig with watermelons, you know.
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Post by Old Zeke on Mar 19, 2020 14:27:00 GMT -5
Some high street shops have started to close here (Isle of Man - UK), so I reckon it's only a matter of time before all the others do as well. Our Chief Minister has announced that anyone caught breaking the new self-isolation laws will be fined Β£10,000 or spend 12 weeks in prison.
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Post by Grumpyoldman on Mar 19, 2020 14:38:21 GMT -5
I'm hoping this situation makes opposing nations allies. And if a cure is eventually found, I hope it becomes readily available for little or no cost. It would be amazing if the U.S. had Universal Health Care because of this.
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Post by Jack Specific on Mar 19, 2020 15:09:59 GMT -5
uhh, thatβs not really true at all. lots of types of animals take far more than they need. a weasel will kill every chicken but only eat one. lots of animals gorge if given the opportunity. lots of animals feed on the young of other species. look up siblicide. if animals are saints, theyβre from the Old Testament. In my opinion, animals are still much more purer than human beings. Were complete savages compared to them. Agreed and it's because we are just not "there" yet. We are not evolved enough for our Aggressiveness, Thinking & Empathy to overcome our natural instincts. You can clearly see this looking at our closest cousins which are Chimpanzees. They can be extremely aggressive & so cruel... ripping apart live prey, going to war with other communities of chimps and beating them to death, Alpha males ripping apart live baby chimps because that are not theirs and even just randomly just ganging up on another chimp and beating them to death. Then their are the Benobos which are pygmy chimpanzees that are kind towards each other and for the most part non-agressive. We are in between. One day I know we will evolve enough where we are better and our aggressive behaviors are gone unless it's too late. Some day, could be hundreds of years from now, but it will come to fruition.
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Post by K5 on Mar 19, 2020 15:20:00 GMT -5
In my opinion, animals are still much more purer than human beings. Were complete savages compared to them. Agreed and it's because we are just not "there" yet. We are not evolved enough for our Aggressiveness, Thinking & Empathy to overcome our natural instincts. You can clearly see this looking at our closest cousins which are Chimpanzees. They can be extremely aggressive & so cruel... ripping apart live prey, going to war with other communities of chimps and beating them to death, Alpha males ripping apart live baby chimps because that are not theirs and even just randomly just ganging up on another chimp and beating them to death. Then their are the Benobos which are pygmy chimpanzees that are kind towards each other and for the most part non-agressive. We are in between. One day I know we will evolve enough where we are better and our aggressive behaviors are gone unless it's too late. Some day, could be hundreds of years from now, but it will come to fruition. I donβt disagree with any of that, and think youβre right that we wonβt evolve further without learning to stop being so selfish and violent, but monkeys ARE animals. lol
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Post by Grumpyoldman on Mar 19, 2020 15:27:53 GMT -5
Personally, I cannot imagine coming into this thread and taking part in a "yeah, but..." argument. Anyone here lose their jobs? Anybody stepping in to help their communities? Thankfully I started working for my dad's HVAC company about a month ago, which is considered an essential business. We might slow down, but I have a lot of security right now. The worst thing personally that has come out of this for me was cancelling my vacation to Vegas this weekend. I got full refunds and credits for everything considering the circumstance, which I appreciate a lot from the hotels and airlines. I'll just plan on going when this calms down a little. I am organizing for the Food Bank of Iowa right now. The president says they have lost around 80% of their volunteers because they were corporate sponsored, but now those businesses don't want employees exposed to the public. They also have a huge influx of people coming in to feed their kids since school is out. I might not be the most comfortable going out and giving a hand when it concerns my own health, but I am sitting pretty good right now. My heart goes out to everyone being affected by this in anyway-- their personal health, their loved ones' health, or their financial security. I know we have had events in this world that kind of changed people's life here or there, but I don't think there has ever been something that is affecting every single person in the world in some way. I love you all! I work at UPS. They just issued us laminated photo IDs. We were told to show it if we get stopped by police on our way to work. (There is a 8pm to 5am curfew in effect for NJ). They also gave us 10 extra days of sick leave if we or a family member becomes sick. If we need to be quarantined, the time will be taken from accumulated sick time & vacation time. But you won't be terminated. I'm grateful to still have a job with this madness. And as long as Amazon is in business, it looks like I'll be okay for a while.
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Post by rowdy1971 on Mar 19, 2020 15:31:59 GMT -5
Word going around that the City of Chicago and Illinois will be going on lockdown tonight after the close of business. I wonder how much looting will be going on then?!
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Post by Jack Specific on Mar 19, 2020 15:37:07 GMT -5
Agreed and it's because we are just not "there" yet. We are not evolved enough for our Aggressiveness, Thinking & Empathy to overcome our natural instincts. You can clearly see this looking at our closest cousins which are Chimpanzees. They can be extremely aggressive & so cruel... ripping apart live prey, going to war with other communities of chimps and beating them to death, Alpha males ripping apart live baby chimps because that are not theirs and even just randomly just ganging up on another chimp and beating them to death. Then their are the Benobos which are pygmy chimpanzees that are kind towards each other and for the most part non-agressive. We are in between. One day I know we will evolve enough where we are better and our aggressive behaviors are gone unless it's too late. Some day, could be hundreds of years from now, but it will come to fruition. I donβt disagree with any of that, and think youβre right that we wonβt evolve further without learning to stop being so selfish and violent, but monkeys ARE animals. lol And as are we.
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Post by sonstuds on Mar 19, 2020 15:50:29 GMT -5
When you go to the store and coincidentally find toilet paper
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Post by rkmo: The FOCUS Method on Mar 19, 2020 16:15:33 GMT -5
Word going around that the City of Chicago and Illinois will be going on lockdown tonight after the close of business. I wonder how much looting will be going on then?! About as much as anywhere else...
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Post by bWo on Mar 19, 2020 19:47:20 GMT -5
When this is all said and done, the human race will still never learn there lesson, sadly this is how it always works out in the end. Humans cause destruction in life, thus creating panic and chaos. Animals only eat what they need, they never take more than that! They are 100% pure, in life, this world and other ones, what do we humans do to even match that? Nothing, not one thing that comes close to what they are. They are the saints and we, the human race are the sinners. Animals eat each other alive. An animal dies slowly, in horrible pain, as another animal(s) devours it. They scream out in pain as they're chewed upon. There's nothing "saint" about that.
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Post by Jack Specific on Mar 19, 2020 21:06:13 GMT -5
When this is all said and done, the human race will still never learn there lesson, sadly this is how it always works out in the end. Humans cause destruction in life, thus creating panic and chaos. Animals only eat what they need, they never take more than that! They are 100% pure, in life, this world and other ones, what do we humans do to even match that? Nothing, not one thing that comes close to what they are. They are the saints and we, the human race are the sinners. Animals eat each other alive. An animal dies slowly, in horrible pain, as another animal(s) devours it. They scream out in pain as they're chewed upon. There's nothing "saint" about that. They are not able to think as we do. We have full awareness of what we are doing, we know that we are hurting something, we are able to use logic & emotion. They go in full instinct because that is all they know.
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Post by RSCTom on Mar 20, 2020 8:26:39 GMT -5
The hardest thing about this to 'register' with regular folks is the fact that you shouldn't be as worried about YOURSELF AS YOU ARE ABOUT OTHERS. I went for a walk a couple days ago and it wasn't too bad, but definitely saw some kids playing basketball and a few other things going on that just shouldn't be happening. I don't really fear catching this and I of course have a sinking feeling I'll catch it anyways because of course. I also had Swine Flu when that whole thing was going on.
What I don't want is someone's blind ignorance to hurt my mom who is in her 60's and a cancer survivor with other issues and my dad who is in his 60's and has a miraculous heart valve and blood thinners. If you're not isolating for yourself, do it for someone else.
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Post by Jack Specific on Mar 20, 2020 9:31:48 GMT -5
The hardest thing about this to 'register' with regular folks is the fact that you shouldn't be as worried about YOURSELF AS YOU ARE ABOUT OTHERS. I went for a walk a couple days ago and it wasn't too bad, but definitely saw some kids playing basketball and a few other things going on that just shouldn't be happening. I don't really fear catching this and I of course have a sinking feeling I'll catch it anyways because of course. I also had Swine Flu when that whole thing was going on. What I don't want is someone's blind ignorance to hurt my mom who is in her 60's and a cancer survivor with other issues and my dad who is in his 60's and has a miraculous heart valve and blood thinners. If you're not isolating for yourself, do it for someone else. Yep I had to go to Walmart the other day to pick up my prescriptions (nothing to do with the virus) and people were up my ass in line and shopping as usual right next to others. Same thing when I had to go food shopping. Social distancing is said all over the place yet people just ignore it. I have Asthma and although I am not paranoid or anything like that, I sure as hell do not want to catch it because of someone else's ignorance. I had to tell people to kindly please keep a distance and they looked at me as if I was Satan incarnate for saying something. My wife works at Walmart and says that it's like summer for the kids not in school. They are running around all over the store like they usually do when there's no school. And yes, touching their face, wiping their nose and then touching things all over the store and right up people's asses coughing/sneezing etc. You can always say kids will be kids, but teens know better and even more so adults should know better by now. My wife is getting offended by me because when she comes home I am Lysoling everything she touches. And I am asking her if she washed her hands before she left and telling her to make sure she washes her hands well when she gets home. I know it seems like I am treating her like a child in a sense but I have to make sure. Being an asthmatic I am not at a high risk to get it BUT if I did it could be worse for me than the average person. People need to stop buying 500 rolls of TP and instead just use simple common sense and stop being jerks.
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Post by GBGav on Mar 20, 2020 9:46:23 GMT -5
A little while ago a guy came into my store to pick up some football shirts that I had printed names onto. He offered a handshake for a job well done and I instinctively took it but a split second later I'm thinking "what am I doing?!?" Went immediately for the sanitising hand wipes before handling the next lady's photocopying job. Guess it just proves that no matter what we're being told, there's an instinct in us that's hard to ignore.
I'm very much an introvert so I stay indoors quite a lot as it is so it's not been a huge deal there for me. But sometimes I like to go out and browse in the shops or take a walk in town so I'm just not doing that at all at the moment. I saw over St Paddy's Day that many pubs were packed and it's just ridiculous how selfish people can be. Can you not for once go without a drink with your mates?
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Post by βππ£π ππ ππππ on Mar 20, 2020 9:48:27 GMT -5
My dad's HVAC company has gotten three calls for no heat since 7 AM today-- two people who say they need service but were exposed to the virus, and one couple who just got back from vacation in New Orleans. Here in Iowa, we have about a thirty degree difference from yesterday and I think its going to stay cold for a couple days.
I am dreading my dad and his employees going into these houses.
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Mar 20, 2020 10:34:51 GMT -5
The thing about this - and this won't be popular - is that many people will die of the virus, but many others will not survive the fallout. Yes I know, the ill come first, and they should, but there's a lot more than a pandemic at play here. The economy is already tanking hard, and tens of thousands of businesses will close forever; small and otherwise (large businesses on the cusp of closure like Sears/Kmart and Gamestop won't survive this). Anyone out of work is at a huge risk. I know there are bailout programs, but it's never enough to cover actual work, and millions are ineligible due to loopholes and fine print. Moreover, the social implications are going to be severe. We can all manage a month, maybe even two of no entertainment, no travel, no bars, no restaurant dining, and supply shortages, but stretching to 3 and beyond (some say a year or more of lockdown) is not sustainable. People will start to crack. Suicides will rise, crimes like robberies and home invasions will occur, there will even be riots if we're locked away for 6 months or more. Once summer hits, and the heat rises, things are really going to get bad. There's also going to be a huge spike in births over the next two years since there's litetally nothing else to do. This is what scares me the most, not the virus itself. Life as we knew it is over for a very long time, and many of us who don't even get sick will not make it out. I really wish they'd taken this seriously from the outset (not that I did at first either). I guess this is a PSA to try not to forget the "healthy" who won't make it out of this (of which I am likely one). Be nice when someone freaks out about how this will affect them, because all they're hearing is ' this isn't about you' while their world implodes. It all feels pretty hopeless now, and scolding people for even being outside really doesn't help anyone. Everyone is trying to adapt to the new normal, and some of us (financially, socially, or mentally) won't be able to.
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Post by vampiroporvida on Mar 20, 2020 11:05:42 GMT -5
The thing about this - and this won't be popular - is that many people will die of the virus, but many others will not survive the fallout. Yes I know, the ill come first, and they should, but there's a lot more than a pandemic at play here. The economy is already tanking hard, and tens of thousands of businesses will close forever; small and otherwise (large businesses on the cusp of closure like Sears/Kmart and Gamestop won't survive this). Anyone out of work is at a huge risk. I know there are bailout programs, but it's never enough to cover actual work, and millions are ineligible due to loopholes and fine print. Moreover, the social implications are going to be severe. We can all manage a month, maybe even two of no entertainment, no travel, no bars, no restaurant dining, and supply shortages, but stretching to 3 and beyond (some say a year or more of lockdown) is not sustainable. People will start to crack. Suicides will rise, crimes like robberies and home invasions will occur, there will even be riots if we're locked away for 6 months or more. Once summer hits, and the heat rises, things are really going to get bad. There's also going to be a huge spike in births over the next two years since there's litetally nothing else to do. This is what scares me the most, not the virus itself. Life as we knew it is over for a very long time, and many of us who don't even get sick will not make it out. I really wish they'd taken this seriously from the outset (not that I did at first either). I guess this is a PSA to try not to forget the "healthy" who won't make it out of this (of which I am likely one). Be nice when someone freaks out about how this will affect them, because all they're hearing is ' this isn't about you' while their world implodes. It all feels pretty hopeless now, and scolding people for even being outside really doesn't help anyone. Everyone is trying to adapt to the new normal, and some of us (financially, socially, or mentally) won't be able to. I cannot see this lasting months. Watch for flattening of the curve. If a cure/vaccine pops in, and it very well might in a couple of months, the world will go back to normal. Heck, even some positive hopeful news on tv could slow the crazy, but that might not get views as much. Some things may shutter, but hopefully not if the building owners and suppliers are understanding and let stuff slide....this all may take a government mandate, but not necessarily. Money is only a notion, so this just comes down to people deciding to ease up as a whole. A worldwide, or at least stateside compromise. People helping people. At least that's what I can hope for in my unicorn mind. Stay safe and enjoy spending time with yourself...create things and help in small ways, it'll help your anxiety. This is coming from me, who had to get help from his psych to calm down with all this. VPV
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Post by RSCTom on Mar 20, 2020 11:07:17 GMT -5
The thing about this - and this won't be popular - is that many people will die of the virus, but many others will not survive the fallout. Yes I know, the ill come first, and they should, but there's a lot more than a pandemic at play here. The economy is already tanking hard, and tens of thousands of businesses will close forever; small and otherwise (large businesses on the cusp of closure like Sears/Kmart and Gamestop won't survive this). Anyone out of work is at a huge risk. I know there are bailout programs, but it's never enough to cover actual work, and millions are ineligible due to loopholes and fine print. Moreover, the social implications are going to be severe. We can all manage a month, maybe even two of no entertainment, no travel, no bars, no restaurant dining, and supply shortages, but stretching to 3 and beyond (some say a year or more of lockdown) is not sustainable. People will start to crack. Suicides will rise, crimes like robberies and home invasions will occur, there will even be riots if we're locked away for 6 months or more. Once summer hits, and the heat rises, things are really going to get bad. There's also going to be a huge spike in births over the next two years since there's litetally nothing else to do. This is what scares me the most, not the virus itself. Life as we knew it is over for a very long time, and many of us who don't even get sick will not make it out. I really wish they'd taken this seriously from the outset (not that I did at first either). I guess this is a PSA to try not to forget the "healthy" who won't make it out of this (of which I am likely one). Be nice when someone freaks out about how this will affect them, because all they're hearing is ' this isn't about you' while their world implodes. It all feels pretty hopeless now, and scolding people for even being outside really doesn't help anyone. Everyone is trying to adapt to the new normal, and some of us (financially, socially, or mentally) won't be able to. While this worst case scenario/apocalypse daydreaming is true and a fear for all of us with an IQ above a toaster, that's what makes the current action and listening to it, all the more imperative. People hoarding food and standing outside of gun shops for this are making it worse. We are in the small window where we don't need to panic, just need to be listening and be smart. It's really a common sense issue. People like Jim Ross saying 'the media are overblowing this' are almost as bad as people who are outside in large gatherings. There is a HUGE difference between going for a walk with 1-2, even 3-4 people and gathering 10-15 of your friends to play basketball. There's an even bigger difference with people having house parties or 'social distance gatherings' because it seems funny or cool. THIS is the problem. It's barely been a week of being home for anyone that isn't in any sort of essential job position and people are really doing those around them a disservice by not being able to handle it. People are already starting to crack, so your fears aren't unwarranted but there's an easy solution and that's to just chill the hell out and do what the experts are saying to do. I don't want to politicize this thread but I place a huge amount of blame on the president for this (it took everything in my being not to call him a name right there). He's kind of woken up and despite his stupid digs and inability to take responsibility and blame during press conferences, he is at least telling people to listen. It remains to be seen as to whether it's too little, too late from when he was treating this like a joke. And I haven't forgotten that and ALL other things considered, I won't all the way up until election day and neither should anyone else.
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taker
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Hector, are you going to behave yourself hector
Joined on: Jul 19, 2019 13:28:49 GMT -5
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Post by taker on Mar 20, 2020 11:29:30 GMT -5
I don't fear Iv'e had my life well most of it the best part of it. Connors last day in school today ever. leaves this year had exams this year gone, is football talented lad gone. is mother dieing. he's just starting out in life. hasn;t even had a life yet if this gets bad I mean really bad and he starts going hungary I'll just go out and take it off anyone.
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Post by Grumpyoldman on Mar 20, 2020 11:29:44 GMT -5
2020 so far:
January- almost had WW III February- Australia caught fire & 43 million acres were lost. March- Coronavirus 19 spreads.
Now what?
April- Cthulhu rises from the ocean. May- Giant chickens attack. June- Government admits aliens are real. July- Antarctica melts. August- The moon splits in half. September- North America floods. October- Nothing. November- The atmosphere turns to acid gas. December- We hear a booming voice say "Who shook my science project?" and then everything ceases to exist.
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