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Post by Nivro™ on Apr 16, 2020 21:31:39 GMT -5
News organizations can do a better job with coverage of this, along with everything else. Having heat maps to show where the worst-affected areas instead of shading an entire state would do wonders, for one. But holding them solely accountable for society's ignorance, shortsightedness, and selfishness is a scapegoat tactic. They aren't responsible for people to absorb news reports with a sound, rational mind and they can't force people to act in the best interests of others outside their personal lives. Of course there won't be a homogeneous spread across the the entire country at the same time. Of course the chances are more likely largely populated areas with high rates of person-to-person interactions will be hit way harder by a highly contagious illness than rural Podunkville, USA. Of course young, healthy individuals aren't as susceptible to serious health problems than the elderly or those with underlying conditions. Anyone should be able to deduce that for themselves and I've already seen that info said multiple times a day for weeks. Does the national media have to broadcast the obvious every single night, that one's particular area might not, and likely will not, ever resemble the situations in NYC? That refrigeration trucks and local ice rinks may not have to be utilized to hold runovers from morgues? Worst of all, these criticisms embolden those included in the news/media spectrum who've sown seeds of distrust for decades for their own financial gains. Gaining millions of followers by telling them whatever they want to hear and touting, "Everyone else is lying to you; we're the only ones telling you the truth," while their own focus on fame and fortune are just as prevalent as anyone else's and their standards for journalistic integrity are way lower, if not nonexistent, as a result. And that cajoling to the less-educated is the real source for reckless and dangerous behaviors, such as storming State Capitols to show "solidarity" against precautionary measures that are meant to protect themselves, their family, their friends, and the emergency personnel who are pleading for the populace to honor the measures. And out of transparency, I get the news from CNN and NBC lol Therein lies the problem...and its not on just one side either its BOTH sides of the political spectrum. People, for whatever reason, never do their own work. They never fact check & they never get all points of views. A perfect example was what I discussed where people kept saying Trump said the virus was a hoax. They heard a sound clip or a talking head spin it and then ran with it, yet never did the research to see what he actually said. The majority get their 30-60 news clips around dinner time and then they're off to their evening shows. Is it completely the medias fault that people dont do their own research? Of course not...but in a time where people are lucky to have 30-60 minutes of free time in the evening it wouldnt hurt to have just one news that could run unbiased, fair & balanced news (no pun intended)
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Post by vampiroporvida on Apr 17, 2020 8:48:18 GMT -5
Even if restrictions are "lifted" and we are told to go back to normal, with no proof all danger is gone, how many of us would?
I haven't stopped working during this, so that still would happen, but I wouldn't do anything else normal, save getting a haircut, until it is proven it is safe out here.
It was said the other day that the people can decide whether to abide and return to normal when lifted, or not...the power is in our hands, and so is the safety of many others.
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Apr 17, 2020 8:58:02 GMT -5
Even if restrictions are "lifted" and we are told to go back to normal, with no proof all danger is gone, how many of us would? I haven't stopped working during this, so that still would happen, but I wouldn't do anything else normal, save getting a haircut, until it is proven it is safe out here. It was said the other day that the people can decide whether to abide and return to normal when lifted, or not...the power is in our hands, and so is the safety of many others. Enough will. There will be a quick boom in cases, because obviously, and things will come to a very fast standstill, much worse than this.
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Post by vampiroporvida on Apr 17, 2020 12:11:50 GMT -5
Even if restrictions are "lifted" and we are told to go back to normal, with no proof all danger is gone, how many of us would? I haven't stopped working during this, so that still would happen, but I wouldn't do anything else normal, save getting a haircut, until it is proven it is safe out here. It was said the other day that the people can decide whether to abide and return to normal when lifted, or not...the power is in our hands, and so is the safety of many others. Enough will. There will be a quick boom in cases, because obviously, and things will come to a very fast standstill, much worse than this. And some people are stating that, forget it, don't reclose, it causes more death than the virus. I wish people would value others lives more, specifically the elderly. My only family is my 82 year old grandpa with existing conditions. There are ways around closed business to keep afloat....there is no coming back from the dead that I have seen, despite my prayers for it.
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Apr 17, 2020 13:46:28 GMT -5
The point of crap hitting the fan is coming soon. Shutdowns can’t last long term. Los Angeles is saying it’s likely large gatherings such as sports and concerts won’t happen until 2021, that already puts WrestleMania 37 in jeopardy. A year without sports will be crippling and some may not last I’m sorry to say, to make that type of prediction is somewhat extreme. A Harvard study says social distancing measures may need to be in place up to 75% of the time through 2022 without treatments or a vaccine. Very extreme and not economically sustainable. I’ll use Pennsylvania as an example. We have the fifth or sixth highest case amount in the country. A bill was passed by state congress to reopen the economy. It will be vetoed by Governor Tom Wolf, but it brings into perspective that we can’t live like this forever. The state’s unemployment trust fund may run out of money in about 11 weeks. I heard rumblings of possible protests like the ones that happened in a few other states yesterday. That’s a scary thought. It’s too soon to reopen, but it’s almost too late to save small business. I know this post may make it look like I’m putting the economy over health and safety of people, but I’m not. I’m just looking at the other side. Safety and economy are both important and at some point within the next month or so, a middle ground point needs to be found. Problem is, nobody knows what that the point can be. Without the economy, NOBODY will be safe. Said since day 1, people are acting ok now because there is a little money out there and everyone will accept a little time off work if they can get it. Fast forward 3 months. 6 months. A year. Feelings will change drastically. We arent there yet, but make or break time isnt that far away. This is what I've also beem saying since day one. They longer this goes on, the chances of violence, crime, and full blown collapse rise. The economic impact WILL be worse in the long run.
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Apr 17, 2020 14:14:26 GMT -5
Enough will. There will be a quick boom in cases, because obviously, and things will come to a very fast standstill, much worse than this. And some people are stating that, forget it, don't reclose, it causes more death than the virus. I wish people would value others lives more, specifically the elderly. My only family is my 82 year old grandpa with existing conditions. There are ways around closed business to keep afloat....there is no coming back from the dead that I have seen, despite my prayers for it. I do believe in the long run more people will die from the way we are doing things now. You have to either a) just live and try to gain a herd immunity or b) COMPLETELY isolate everyone. I'm talking about nobody leaves home for any reason, no businesses operate, and an armed guard pops anyone they see outside on sight. Since it will take hell freezing over to make any of these happen, we keep half stepping and more people will die. If it takes 7 days (middle of the 2-14 estimate) to show symptoms, and the illness lasts a week...a family of 4 can keep the illness alive in their home with no outside contact for 2 months. We have to commit one way or the other. This isnt working, despite what numbers say. It's just slowing and lengthening the process.
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Post by vampiroporvida on Apr 17, 2020 15:16:48 GMT -5
And some people are stating that, forget it, don't reclose, it causes more death than the virus. I wish people would value others lives more, specifically the elderly. My only family is my 82 year old grandpa with existing conditions. There are ways around closed business to keep afloat....there is no coming back from the dead that I have seen, despite my prayers for it. I do believe in the long run more people will die from the way we are doing things now. You have to either a) just live and try to gain a herd immunity or b) COMPLETELY isolate everyone. I'm talking about nobody leaves home for any reason, no businesses operate, and an armed guard pops anyone they see outside on sight. Since it will take hell freezing over to make any of these happen, we keep half stepping and more people will die. If it takes 7 days (middle of the 2-14 estimate) to show symptoms, and the illness lasts a week...a family of 4 can keep the illness alive in their home with no outside contact for 2 months. We have to commit one way or the other. This isnt working, despite what numbers say. It's just slowing and lengthening the process. Good thought out reasoning. Do you think tracing of "recovered" patients and using plasma from them (with antibodies) to treat patients will be a way to save us? The gov of Texas just said we have the 2nd most recovered, and, save blood type, that could be a swath of help in just our state...assuming other states eventually are similar. Given the booster, for lack of a better term, some are attempting to make for a potential vaccine (will help more elderly and younger), at least some are thinking about the vulnerable. Is a debt freeze, or just frankly something like landlords, mortagers, etc., not asking for the payments, or compound payments for what is lost now, in the future, a way around any business dieing? Maybe, given a go between, or a personless drop off (ala Papa Johns), cannot communities help to feed the needy in the community like back in the 50s? There has to be some option, just something that could work. Granted this is a hopeful, probably shortsighted view, and a lot will call stupid, that would only help some, and banks would have to forgive loans etc. (student loans are on hold and then dropping per month for me), but if we have hope, maybe it can ease a bit of the mental pain. I gotta find a way to ease a bit of the mental strain for sure... VPV
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Apr 17, 2020 15:48:30 GMT -5
I do believe in the long run more people will die from the way we are doing things now. You have to either a) just live and try to gain a herd immunity or b) COMPLETELY isolate everyone. I'm talking about nobody leaves home for any reason, no businesses operate, and an armed guard pops anyone they see outside on sight. Since it will take hell freezing over to make any of these happen, we keep half stepping and more people will die. If it takes 7 days (middle of the 2-14 estimate) to show symptoms, and the illness lasts a week...a family of 4 can keep the illness alive in their home with no outside contact for 2 months. We have to commit one way or the other. This isnt working, despite what numbers say. It's just slowing and lengthening the process. Good thought out reasoning. Do you think tracing of "recovered" patients and using plasma from them (with antibodies) to treat patients will be a way to save us? The gov of Texas just said we have the 2nd most recovered, and, save blood type, that could be a swath of help in just our state...assuming other states eventually are similar. Given the booster, for lack of a better term, some are attempting to make for a potential vaccine (will help more elderly and younger), at least some are thinking about the vulnerable. Is a debt freeze, or just frankly something like landlords, mortagers, etc., not asking for the payments, or compound payments for what is lost now, in the future, a way around any business dieing? Maybe, given a go between, or a personless drop off (ala Papa Johns), cannot communities help to feed the needy in the community like back in the 50s? There has to be some option, just something that could work. Granted this is a hopeful, probably shortsighted view, and a lot will call stupid, that would only help some, and banks would have to forgive loans etc. (student loans are on hold and then dropping per month for me), but if we have hope, maybe it can ease a bit of the mental pain. I gotta find a way to ease a bit of the mental strain for sure... VPV Maybe plasmas could help, but that's way beyond my reach lol. I think anything short of a rent freeze of at least a month is a waste of your stimulus check. At this point that check is nothing short of a landlord bailout plan. Mortgages can easily be skipped for a month if people call their banks and ask to add another month to the term. The problem is the landlords have been crying like children since the idea was first brought up a month ago, and the people paying mortgages are crying because God forbid the renters get something they dont. It's a pure, plain to see view of humanity. People cannot stand to see anyone else get something if they arent getting it too. People that work and make 6 figures are complaining about unemployment increases. Its pathetic. And they're doing this while pretending to care about others.
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Post by Nivro™ on Apr 17, 2020 16:01:34 GMT -5
I still say a 30 day, "100%" shut down of the country is/was the way to go. 30 days then 30 days then 30 days and constant terms just isnt going to cut it. Everything that's non first responders, emergency personnel and any position that needs man power to function stays going and everyone else is at home.
Keep grocery stores open, limit how many and when people can come in. No walmart, no target, no auto parts stores....nothing "essential" thats not actually essential.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Apr 17, 2020 17:07:35 GMT -5
I still say a 30 day, "100%" shut down of the country is/was the way to go. 30 days then 30 days then 30 days and constant terms just isnt going to cut it. Everything that's non first responders, emergency personnel and any position that needs man power to function stays going and everyone else is at home. Keep grocery stores open, limit how many and when people can come in. No walmart, no target, no auto parts stores....nothing "essential" thats not actually essential. Auto parts stores can be the difference between a doctor getting to work or not. I'm sure people are often using them in non-essential ways, but as someone who had a tire explode on the last week, I can vouch for vehicle-related stores being necessary right now.
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Post by shanieomaniac on Apr 17, 2020 17:42:31 GMT -5
I still say a 30 day, "100%" shut down of the country is/was the way to go. 30 days then 30 days then 30 days and constant terms just isnt going to cut it. Everything that's non first responders, emergency personnel and any position that needs man power to function stays going and everyone else is at home. Keep grocery stores open, limit how many and when people can come in. No walmart, no target, no auto parts stores....nothing "essential" thats not actually essential. Wow. You are wildly assuming there are towns in this country where Walmart isn't the only grocery store in the area. And before you say no such place exists? The next town over from me is just such a place. Prior to Walmart opening, they only had a dollar general. The nearest actual grocery store was in my town, 30 minutes away.
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Post by Nivro™ on Apr 17, 2020 18:55:42 GMT -5
I still say a 30 day, "100%" shut down of the country is/was the way to go. 30 days then 30 days then 30 days and constant terms just isnt going to cut it. Everything that's non first responders, emergency personnel and any position that needs man power to function stays going and everyone else is at home. Keep grocery stores open, limit how many and when people can come in. No walmart, no target, no auto parts stores....nothing "essential" thats not actually essential. Auto parts stores can be the difference between a doctor getting to work or not. I'm sure people are often using them in non-essential ways, but as someone who had a tire explode on the last week, I can vouch for vehicle-related stores being necessary right now. First responders would include AAA, tow trucks, hwy/interstate personnel to assist with situations like flat tires, dead batteries etc. As someone that in auto parts, nobody is coming into our stores buying essential items that they need to save the world/save a life. They're coming in because Walmart/Target limits you as to what you can buy, Home Depot & Lowes only let a certain amount of people in....so they come to auto part stores, wonder around sniffing all the air freshers, look to see if their cell phone fits in the panda bear hug buddy. Ask you to price random parts for them when they have no intentions or money to purchase and then turn and leave. Commercial sales at my stores have dropped off drastically because people arent going to shops to get their cars worked on. But DIY walk in sales are doubling because people are just using it to "get out". Worst case scenario with something like that is you can close the doors to the store and only run commercial sales/battery replacement out of it. Keeps people from coming in wondering around spreading this crap.
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Apr 17, 2020 19:42:26 GMT -5
I still say a 30 day, "100%" shut down of the country is/was the way to go. 30 days then 30 days then 30 days and constant terms just isnt going to cut it. Everything that's non first responders, emergency personnel and any position that needs man power to function stays going and everyone else is at home. Keep grocery stores open, limit how many and when people can come in. No walmart, no target, no auto parts stores....nothing "essential" thats not actually essential. Wow. You are wildly assuming there are towns in this country where Walmart isn't the only grocery store in the area. And before you say no such place exists? The next town over from me is just such a place. Prior to Walmart opening, they only had a dollar general. The nearest actual grocery store was in my town, 30 minutes away. Hes nicer than me. I'm all for shutting down everything. Gas stations, grocery stores, hospitals, police. Even 1 person being mobile can keep this alive. Shut THE ENTIRE WORLD down. Wanna hear the real ed part? Give absolutely no warning. A warning would create chaos.
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Post by Nivro™ on Apr 17, 2020 20:23:03 GMT -5
Wow. You are wildly assuming there are towns in this country where Walmart isn't the only grocery store in the area. And before you say no such place exists? The next town over from me is just such a place. Prior to Walmart opening, they only had a dollar general. The nearest actual grocery store was in my town, 30 minutes away. Hes nicer than me. I'm all for shutting down everything. Gas stations, grocery stores, hospitals, police. Even 1 person being mobile can keep this alive. Shut THE ENTIRE WORLD down. Wanna hear the real ed part? Give absolutely no warning. A warning would create chaos. If it was only feasible!
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Apr 17, 2020 20:24:46 GMT -5
Hes nicer than me. I'm all for shutting down everything. Gas stations, grocery stores, hospitals, police. Even 1 person being mobile can keep this alive. Shut THE ENTIRE WORLD down. Wanna hear the real ed part? Give absolutely no warning. A warning would create chaos. If it was only feasible! Yeah, if only.
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Post by bWo on Apr 17, 2020 21:49:02 GMT -5
a friend of mine works in a nursing home and there was a small outbreak at it. needless to say, pure chaos. There was a report last week that said half of the confirmed cases in Canada were from long term health facilities. There have been instances of caregivers leaving their jobs and abandoning the patients. Those patients have then been admitted to various other facilities. It's a mess.
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Post by bWo on Apr 17, 2020 23:17:06 GMT -5
Without the economy, NOBODY will be safe. Said since day 1, people are acting ok now because there is a little money out there and everyone will accept a little time off work if they can get it. Fast forward 3 months. 6 months. A year. Feelings will change drastically. We arent there yet, but make or break time isnt that far away. This is what I've also beem saying since day one. They longer this goes on, the chances of violence, crime, and full blown collapse rise. The economic impact WILL be worse in the long run. When people see the words "economic impact" you'll be accused of putting money ahead of human lives by people who don't realize (or don't want to realize) that there are lives attached to the economy. On the flip side, It's a poop storm out there. Adding more people seems like it would be akin to adding gas to a fire.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Apr 18, 2020 4:55:35 GMT -5
Auto parts stores can be the difference between a doctor getting to work or not. I'm sure people are often using them in non-essential ways, but as someone who had a tire explode on the last week, I can vouch for vehicle-related stores being necessary right now. First responders would include AAA, tow trucks, hwy/interstate personnel to assist with situations like flat tires, dead batteries etc. As someone that in auto parts, nobody is coming into our stores buying essential items that they need to save the world/save a life. They're coming in because Walmart/Target limits you as to what you can buy, Home Depot & Lowes only let a certain amount of people in....so they come to auto part stores, wonder around sniffing all the air freshers, look to see if their cell phone fits in the panda bear hug buddy. Ask you to price random parts for them when they have no intentions or money to purchase and then turn and leave. Commercial sales at my stores have dropped off drastically because people arent going to shops to get their cars worked on. But DIY walk in sales are doubling because people are just using it to "get out". Worst case scenario with something like that is you can close the doors to the store and only run commercial sales/battery replacement out of it. Keeps people from coming in wondering around spreading this crap. I don't doubt any of this, but auto parts still need to be available for essential employees, not to mention people still need vehicles for groceries and other emergencies. It seems to me that closing off the foot traffic and offering curbside service is the way to go. I'm pretty sure most businesses are empowered to make these changes when they feel it's necessary.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Apr 18, 2020 5:09:29 GMT -5
I still say a 30 day, "100%" shut down of the country is/was the way to go. 30 days then 30 days then 30 days and constant terms just isnt going to cut it. Everything that's non first responders, emergency personnel and any position that needs man power to function stays going and everyone else is at home. Keep grocery stores open, limit how many and when people can come in. No walmart, no target, no auto parts stores....nothing "essential" thats not actually essential. Wow. You are wildly assuming there are towns in this country where Walmart isn't the only grocery store in the area. And before you say no such place exists? The next town over from me is just such a place. Prior to Walmart opening, they only had a dollar general. The nearest actual grocery store was in my town, 30 minutes away. I've started to see an increase in places like this over the years. Up and down the East Coast, I've seen small towns that have no actual grocery stores, just gas stations/convenience stores and one big department store. If there is no Wal-mart or Target, the residents have to drive to a neighboring, larger town for groceries.
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Post by JC Motors on Apr 18, 2020 8:00:17 GMT -5
I called my one coworker yesterday and I found out that he got laid off and a few others were laid off. He said hopefully within 3 weeks we can get called back to work.
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