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Post by Mongo Bears on Mar 22, 2020 20:46:58 GMT -5
In America we have Memorial Day and we have Veterans Day. After all this it’s time we nationally recognize our doctors, nurses and health related scientists
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Post by shanieomaniac on Mar 22, 2020 20:58:49 GMT -5
What's classified as essential is ridiculous. My father in law works at Hershey Chocolate, how's producing candy "essential?" My gf, McDonalds.. uh.. don't think Happy Meals & McDoubles are essential. One of the reasons she's heard is so they can provide food for truckers. Which, would be very noble of those workers to brave this to feed delivery drivers, except.. semi's can't go through McDonalds drive-thru, walk-ups aren't allowed and the lobby is closed. So essentially she's risking her life around other employees and people thru drive thru, just to serve people IN TOWN.. who could be making food at home. Stupid. Also, yeah, the fatality rate brought up a convo between my girlfriend and I. She thought, well that numbers small.. till I explained 3% of 8 billion, isn't actually small. She told me 3%. Is the number actually 13% The 13% fatality rate as of now is only out of about 112,000 closed cases worldwide not 8 billion. 3% of 8 billion is much higher than 13% of 112,000 Like I said. I failed math. My bad.
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Post by wwenorwich on Mar 23, 2020 5:29:04 GMT -5
Going to throw a staggering statistic out there... This thing has a mortality rate of roughly around 3% ... More and more we hear it's going to be impossible for near everyone in the world to NOT get affected... We have roughly 8 Billion people in the world... 3% of 8 billion is 240 million No chance it goes anywhere near that. 3% mortality rate is that of those infected, your numbers assume 100% of the population gets it. When in reality that number will be drastically lower. Consider that 30,000 die annually in the U.K. of pneumonia then compare that with deaths so far of this virus. Perspective is needed.
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Post by wwenorwich on Mar 23, 2020 5:30:15 GMT -5
Going to throw a staggering statistic out there... This thing has a mortality rate of roughly around 3% ... More and more we hear it's going to be impossible for near everyone in the world to NOT get affected... We have roughly 8 Billion people in the world... 3% of 8 billion is 240 million No, the really really scary part is that, judging by the website worldometer, the 3% number is wildly off. Taking into account the total number of "Closed" cases (Meaning either the person or the illness terminated) compared with survival/death rate, and removing all other variables? The fatality rate isn't 3%. It's 13%
That isn't 240 million
It's 1.4 BILLION
But, you know, try not to panic...Hate these scaremongering posts. Your assuming the whole world gets the virus
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Mar 23, 2020 5:48:00 GMT -5
What's classified as essential is ridiculous. My father in law works at Hershey Chocolate, how's producing candy "essential?" My gf, McDonalds.. uh.. don't think Happy Meals & McDoubles are essential. One of the reasons she's heard is so they can provide food for truckers. Which, would be very noble of those workers to brave this to feed delivery drivers, except.. semi's can't go through McDonalds drive-thru, walk-ups aren't allowed and the lobby is closed. So essentially she's risking her life around other employees and people thru drive thru, just to serve people IN TOWN.. who could be making food at home. Stupid. Also, yeah, the fatality rate brought up a convo between my girlfriend and I. She thought, well that numbers small.. till I explained 3% of 8 billion, isn't actually small. She told me 3%. Is the number actually 13% The 13% fatality rate as of now is only out of about 112,000 closed cases worldwide not 8 billion. 3% of 8 billion is much higher than 13% of 112,000 According to the WHO, it's not quite that high yet, but it's climbing from 3%. 12,700+ deaths worldwide and growing by the day should be cause for concern for everyone, everywhere. link
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Post by shanieomaniac on Mar 23, 2020 5:50:42 GMT -5
No, the really really scary part is that, judging by the website worldometer, the 3% number is wildly off. Taking into account the total number of "Closed" cases (Meaning either the person or the illness terminated) compared with survival/death rate, and removing all other variables? The fatality rate isn't 3%. It's 13%
That isn't 240 million
It's 1.4 BILLION
But, you know, try not to panic...Hate these scaremongering posts. Your assuming the whole world gets the virus No, you're right. It likely won't be the entire population. However, depending on how quickly containment occurs and how quickly a treatment is formed, there is, in fact a possibility that up to 60% of the population gets it. That's actually scientifically quoted knowledge there from an epidemiologist who studies these things. It's a nightmare scenario, yes, but there is a chance that over half the planet gets this. However, there's also a chance that, according to the same scientist, only 20% of the population gets it. That's a heck of a spread, but so much isn't known right now. Bottom line is, it's gonna get worse before it gets better. I guess what I'm saying is the old adage. "Hope for the best, prepare for the worst."
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Post by GBGav on Mar 23, 2020 7:19:28 GMT -5
The 13% fatality rate as of now is only out of about 112,000 closed cases worldwide not 8 billion. 3% of 8 billion is much higher than 13% of 112,000 According to the WHO, it's not quite that high yet, but it's climbing from 3%. 127,000+ deaths worldwide and growing by the day should be cause for concern for everyone, everywhere. linkExcept it's 12,000 deaths. Not ten times that. A lot of people seem to take the worst case scenario as something that is definitely going to happen. It's more likely that it's going to be somewhere around the death rate for pneumonia.
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Mar 23, 2020 8:39:09 GMT -5
Anyone wanna shed some light on this?
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Post by shanieomaniac on Mar 23, 2020 8:45:13 GMT -5
According to the WHO, it's not quite that high yet, but it's climbing from 3%. 127,000+ deaths worldwide and growing by the day should be cause for concern for everyone, everywhere. linkExcept it's 12,000 deaths. Not ten times that. A lot of people seem to take the worst case scenario as something that is definitely going to happen. It's more likely that it's going to be somewhere around the death rate for pneumonia. Valid point. The difference is that pneumonia is fully endemic. Those people who die from pneumonia every year? The same number die every year. I am praying to God on a daily basis that Coronavirus doesn't become endemic. I know that we'll have a vaccine for it eventually, but if it's anything like the current flu vaccine is... yikes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2020 9:40:42 GMT -5
Has anyone else written the corona virus into their fig fed?
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Post by K5 on Mar 23, 2020 13:33:53 GMT -5
local events as far away as June are now being cancelled. 3 months of this? yikes.
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Post by Edgehead on Mar 23, 2020 14:04:46 GMT -5
I used the virus as an excuse to buy 500 cans of Monster Absolute Zero at a discount. So now I own 499 cans of Monster. The virus hasn't effected me more than I use a lot more hand sanitizer than I usually do.
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Post by GBGav on Mar 23, 2020 15:47:09 GMT -5
The UK is now officially on a 3 week lockdown. All unessential businesses to close and you're only allowed out to get vital food/medication, to go for a walk/run once a day or to go to work. Groups of more than two people are banned unless you live with them. Police have the power to break up groups and enforce fines if you have no good reason to be out.
Personally I'm happy with this because too many idiots aren't listening and needed to be treated like children this way. It's going to help bring a swifter end to the virus so that's important.
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Post by Tim of thee on Mar 23, 2020 15:54:39 GMT -5
Re: the “lockdown”
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Post by vampiroporvida on Mar 23, 2020 16:01:10 GMT -5
The UK is now officially on a 3 week lockdown. All unessential businesses to close and you're only allowed out to get vital food/medication, to go for a walk/run once a day or to go to work. Groups of more than two people are banned unless you live with them. Police have the power to break up groups and enforce fines if you have no good reason to be out. Personally I'm happy with this because too many idiots aren't listening and needed to be treated like children this way. It's going to help bring a swifter end to the virus so that's important. I wish we'd have stricter guidelines than this here in Texas. This soft quarentine isn't going to help as much as a full on lockdown. All we need is a 2 week down and this thing should be backpeddling.
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Post by Nick the Quick on Mar 23, 2020 17:17:30 GMT -5
The longer this goes on, the more worried I become, not so much the virus, but society. Today’s society, especially here in America, isn’t built for all of the necessary restrictions. The more events are canceled, the more business are shut down, and the more areas invoking “stay at home” orders, the more society is going to rebel. I hope it doesn’t get to the level of riots and anarchy, but if coronavirus is going to be around for as long as projected we could get there sooner than later, and that’s frightening. When nobody can answer, “when will things be back to normal?” Fear comes to the forefront. The unknown is one of the biggest fears people have.
Everyone just be smart and only go out for essentials. Things will get worse before they get better, but they will get better. I said in my first post in this thread everything happening was an overreaction yet a justified one, and I still stand by that statement. However, when it’s all over and we’re back to normal, we’ll know the restrictions were the right call.
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Post by Professor Sparlin on Mar 23, 2020 17:38:02 GMT -5
Has anyone else written the corona virus into their fig fed? No, but I have a friends that told me that it's already written in adults content. A little tasteless if you ask me...
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Post by bWo on Mar 23, 2020 19:40:08 GMT -5
All animals know are instincts? Animals don't have emotions or the ability to use logic? Where are you getting this incredibly inaccurate information from? I never said they do not have emotions. Please re-read what I said. We use emotion over instinct, they do the opposite. Animals indeed have emotion. Logic not so much. They are more instinct based. Some primates can show simple logic sure, but they are also more instinct than logic or emotion. Keep in mind I am talking about wild animals, not pets. You sound like you are upset as if I am being negative towards animals. I am actually doing the opposite of that by defending their actions. I do not eat meat, I have adopted and fostered pets, and I donate to the SPCA and the Humane Society. I love animals and I really should not have to explain myself but I do hope that clarifies things for you. Racoons don't open (human built) "racoon proof" garbage cans with instincts. Dolphins have a complex language and communicate with each other. That's a lot more than "simple logic." Animals can also be vicious though. I'm not sure why you think you have to "defend their actions." They are what they are. Either they evolved this way and painfully chew/rip apart/eat each other alive, or god for some really odd reason made them to chew/rip apart/eat each other alive. There's no purity either way when you consider the suffering going on.
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Mar 23, 2020 22:09:09 GMT -5
The longer this goes on, the more worried I become, not so much the virus, but society. Today’s society, especially here in America, isn’t built for all of the necessary restrictions. The more events are canceled, the more business are shut down, and the more areas invoking “stay at home” orders, the more society is going to rebel. I hope it doesn’t get to the level of riots and anarchy, but if coronavirus is going to be around for as long as projected we could get there sooner than later, and that’s frightening. When nobody can answer, “when will things be back to normal?” Fear comes to the forefront. The unknown is one of the biggest fears people have. Everyone just be smart and only go out for essentials. Things will get worse before they get better, but they will get better. I said in my first post in this thread everything happening was an overreaction yet a justified one, and I still stand by that statement. However, when it’s all over and we’re back to normal, we’ll know the restrictions were the right call. I have the exact same fears. Even two months is too long. I've not been staying home, I'm going to national parks and trails to social distance because I have severe anxiety associated with being shut in. The chiding and insults of 'stay home, stop killing people, you're so selfish!' may work for some. For these people staying home for 3 or more months may be a minor inconvenience. I get very stir crazy, which leads to suicidal thoughts. I need to get out. I'd break the law to get out, even if the penalty was death. That's just me. Others WILL revolt. There will be riots, looting, and violence if this goes on much longer. Do you think all small business owners who can't feed their families and face evictions are going to lay down and die? What about hospitality workers who live paycheck to paycheck? Society would collapse, but nobody is talking about that. You hear two stories: first is the virus itself, statistics, hospital capacity, and medical supplies....the second is admonishon for people not social distancing well enough. I kind of get the latter, people shouldn't be congregating at beaches, but bitching at people walking in small groups or, worse, even being outside at all is no good. Its not even possible to stay 6 feet away at the store unless only 3 people are allowed in at a time. (which was tried out here. Guess what happened...fights broke out in the long line to get in). Closing all "nonessential" businesses for three or more months is not sustainable. Also, what is "nonessential"? Essential to one person could be nonessential to another. To some, gyms are essential to maintain health and socilization. To others, churches are essential for spirituality and socialization. To others bars are essential for stress relief and socialization. The bottom line is that essential needs are not being met. Yes I get semantics and context. In these cases essential means giving people the bare necessities that will keep their hearts beating while they are isolated from all of their friends and families. Ignoring the social, economic, and mental aspects is extremely dangerous. I'm concerned about the people who might eventually die if this thing turns out as badly as projected, but I'm more concerned about the above, which are happening right now. And just like the virus these will only get worse. The response would ideally be more balanced.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Mar 23, 2020 23:09:33 GMT -5
According to the WHO, it's not quite that high yet, but it's climbing from 3%. 127,000+ deaths worldwide and growing by the day should be cause for concern for everyone, everywhere. linkExcept it's 12,000 deaths. Not ten times that. A lot of people seem to take the worst case scenario as something that is definitely going to happen. It's more likely that it's going to be somewhere around the death rate for pneumonia. You're correct. I didn't meant to put that extra zero in there and make a dire worldwide situation even worse. That being said, after the weekend, the reported total is now 16,554. It's still climbing rapidly, and the only country that seems to have slowed it so far is the one where it started. Other countries will get ahead of it eventually, but it's going to get much worse before it gets better. It also doesn't help that we have willfully ignorant people on both coasts acting as if the word "pandemic" is meaningless.
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