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Post by LA Times on Jan 1, 2019 13:41:31 GMT -5
All Elite Wrestling, what is that, some forum member's Mattel WWE collection?
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Post by Rated [R] NinJa on Jan 1, 2019 13:47:54 GMT -5
And this is WWE related how?
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Post by johnnyaustin21 on Jan 1, 2019 13:51:13 GMT -5
I'll tell ya where it goes.... no where! If Cody, Bucks, Page, Daniels, Sky and Kaz couldn't get ROH wrestling to the promise land of competing with the WWE - while having Lethal, Briscoes, Castle, Taven, Bully Ray and others with them - then I doubt they will compete with their AEW thing they have started up. AEW is gonna be talked about and hot at first, but it will die out too. There are plenty of indy feds out there to watch like ROH, Impact Wrestling, Major League Wrestling, and more, and this AEW is just another indy company to be with them. I am pretty sure that AEW is going to have a lot more talent and bigger named talent then just Cody,The Bucks,Page & SCU.Right now they look like ROH 2.0 but if they bring in fresh talent from around the world and some named power from the past that can rope in older fans like lets just say Jericho,Punk,RVD...ect if booked right and promoted right could become a treat to WWE down the road.It'll be years before that happens but if they can become the #2 promotion pretty much from jump like it looks to be that's a very good start. Also agree with the idea that with AEW starting that other companies like IMPACT,ROH,Lucha Underground,MLW and even NJPW could be in for a world to hurt and some of those companies might even go belly up once AEW really gets rolling. Really feels like the 90's again and could easily see a three way war this time instead of WWF Vs WCW Vs ECW now being WWE Vs AEW Vs NJPW.Should be a fun and interesting time ahead of us.
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on Jan 1, 2019 13:54:45 GMT -5
Surprised about the amount of people crapping on this... WWE has unanimously been crap the last few weeks, I'm not even watching this weeks episode which is the first time in atleast a decade I havent watched Raw, They're consistently pulling record breaking low's and their best option for their main title on the raw brand is Apollo Crews vs Dean Ambrose. Impact is once again moving homes, although TNA isnt as full of talent as it once was, I assume most of the guys there would snap up an offer with something a little more financially stable, guys like Eli Drake, Penta, Fenix, LAX, are all solid guys who need more attention. At this point I think any new promotion has the VERY best opportunity to succeed.
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Post by BROKEN on Jan 1, 2019 14:09:24 GMT -5
Really want them to sign some WWE guys to make it interesting. It's gonna be tough to sign any real big named or worth while talent from WWE in the next few years.Sounds like Vince and company are trying to sign their talents to long term multi year deals.Only ones that are rumored to be coming up in the next few months are Styles,Nakamura,Gallows & Anderson.Which I can really only see Anderson & Gallows making the jump.Styles has a family and has stated he plans on retiring in the next few years just don't see him taking the risk and possible cut in pay to jump to a smaller promotion.While Nakamura has been booked like crap in America and could easily see him going back to NJPW and as a way to off set the loses of The Elite talent that will be leaving. If AEW want to make and impact they should really push to sign CM Punk who even being retired for nearly five years could create a ton of buzz.I would even try and rope him back into pro wrestling by at first just offering him to do commentary for the company,having him as the color man along side a good play by play guy could real help the look,feel and credibility of this new company to start. I don’t think any pay cuts are necessary, Khan is richer than Vince.
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Post by Nivro™ on Jan 1, 2019 14:11:45 GMT -5
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Post by stc13 on Jan 1, 2019 14:47:30 GMT -5
It seems like a viable business model to me. Keep in mind that if they're looking to be televised in the current Smackdown timeslot when it moves to Friday nights, we're looking at a 9-10 month runway. There are a lot of contracts, across many companies, that can come up for renewal between now and then. And there is presumably enough money bankrolling this effort to sustain a few years of losses as the product gets established.
This promotion can be financially and commercially successful without every coming anywhere near the WWE's orbit. WWE is one of the world's largest media companies at this point, with a global footprint and holdings in media beyond just wrestling. And getting there took decades. But there are ways to present a compelling and successful wrestling product that might be an interesting alternative (maybe more focus on the tag division, longter term story telling, etc).
It's worth remembering that a huge portion of WCW's wrestling audience just seemed to vanish into thin air when WCW went under. The WWE product is and always has been very different than the product that took root in southern wrestling. I'm not saying that that's the direction they would or could go - but there are a number of potential audiences that they can tap into depending on how the product is marketed and presented.
And I do think presentation matters. ROH and even NJPW's production values look very 1995- ECW esque to me. Investing in higher quality production makes a product *feel* more important to the viewer, and has been a big part of WWE's growth. And if they add in some respected names with connections and a world of experience like Ross or Jericho, I think there's an interesting recipe that other super-indy promotions can't match.
This will definitely have a ripple effect, whether that's companies working together or competing against each other for talent, air time, and dollars. But I'd say that the industry is in a better position than ever to absorb this growth - there is an insane talent pool out there, and more ways than ever to access it.
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Post by BØRNS on Jan 1, 2019 14:52:30 GMT -5
Because this has direct implications for WWE, it's current and former talent, it's competition, it's ratings, contract negotiations, and the current state of WWE in general.
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Post by marino13 on Jan 1, 2019 15:10:40 GMT -5
That's great and all, but it's not associated with WWE.
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Post by Triple S: POOR on Jan 1, 2019 15:21:36 GMT -5
Because this has direct implications for WWE, it's current and former talent, it's competition, it's ratings, contract negotiations, and the current state of WWE in general. No no. No it doesn’t. Anyway, AEW gets a strong “Meh” from me.
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Post by rkmo: 9 Month Warning on Jan 1, 2019 15:24:29 GMT -5
Kinda surprised hearing AEW already has the leisure of having a choice between several TV deals. It seemed lately that if the company owners aren't also stakeholders in a station it would be doomed to obscure channels that weren't readily accessible in most cable/sat packages, and were often afterthoughts with little to no promotion or ads. As little respect typical advertisers give the wrestling audience, I guess they will rely on Khan paying heavily to test if their viewer audience is worth it. (Funny companies look so down on us that we're not worthy enough to buy their goods and services, but are still entrusted with selecting our leaders of the "free world".)
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Post by Triple S: POOR on Jan 1, 2019 15:24:46 GMT -5
Meh.
If ‘All In’ is anything to base this promotion off of, it’ll be nothing special.
Hope I’m wrong, but there’s no enough actual “Indy” talent that interest me enough to make up an entire roster.
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Post by BØRNS on Jan 1, 2019 15:27:21 GMT -5
Its not even will they compete with WWE....they wont, its easily that simple. No random start up is going to be competition to a media giant however it could be a decent alternate to WWE like how TNA use to be. That being said, until further details are out...if you're a ROH or IMPACT or whatever Indie fed purest & loyalist then you need to be very very worried. AEW is something that has just enough funding to get exclusive contracts from top Indie stars and push something like ROH out of business. Which at that point AEW essentially does what WWE did and starts to kill out the Indies. Why should we be very very worried? This venture, successful or not, will infuse the wrestling industry outside of WWE with deserving attention and funding. There's a common phrase in business: "build it and they will come". The current indy scene in general is low-budget, fragmented, and inaccessible beyond local fans. If some thought is put into this and developed halfway decently, I think many will support it and has potential. Will it wipe out WWE? Assuredly not anytime soon, but if it's built up to be a healthy steady growing promotion, anything can happen. Indy fans should be optimistic about this, not concerned. The wrestlers that they enjoy seeing will have even more opportunities available to them!
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Post by Nivro™ on Jan 1, 2019 15:33:27 GMT -5
Because this has direct implications for WWE, it's current and former talent, it's competition, it's ratings, contract negotiations, and the current state of WWE in general. It will effect WWE as much as the XFL will effect the NFL
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Post by BØRNS on Jan 1, 2019 15:35:44 GMT -5
Because this has direct implications for WWE, it's current and former talent, it's competition, it's ratings, contract negotiations, and the current state of WWE in general. No no. No it doesn’t. Anyway, AEW gets a strong “Meh” from me. How can you say that? Obviously this gives talent more options for their contracts. How many wrestlers have left WWE voluntarily over the past years who have been successful without WWE? This would be the perfect incubator for a lot of the guys and gals in WWE who are just wasting away on the roster. Not to mention, all of the high potential wrestlers outside of WWE who are trying to be scooped up.
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Post by Triple S: POOR on Jan 1, 2019 15:42:55 GMT -5
No no. No it doesn’t. Anyway, AEW gets a strong “Meh” from me. How can you say that? Obviously this gives talent more options for their contracts. How many wrestlers have left WWE voluntarily over the past years who have been successful without WWE? This would be the perfect incubator for a lot of the guys and gals in WWE who are just wasting away on the roster. Not to mention, all of the high potential wrestlers outside of WWE who are trying to be scooped up. There’s a reason these guys don’t find success outside of the WWE. It’s because nobody has the mainstream exposure that the WWE provides. There’s also entirely too many options in pro-wrestling today for any one company to be a logical threat to Vince and the WWE.
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Post by johnnyaustin21 on Jan 1, 2019 16:24:18 GMT -5
I'm curious to see what size of arenas they're going to run their weekly show out of. I'm wondering if they plan on touring like WWE or staying generally central like TNA. Either way, I'm excited to see what AEW has to offer. I enjoyed ALL IN for the most part and will definitely give their product a shot. I think a smart move and away to start the company would be to have a set location or a few set locations atleast for the first year for their weekly TV show.The soundstage in Orland would work and has a long stored history with pro wrestling with WCW & TNA and you could possibly also run some TV shows out of Atlanta and Chicago which where and still are strong bases in terms of pro wrestling fans and place that have deep roots in pro wrestling. Then maybe run bigger venues for their PPV's and hold a few per year and run a smaller set of house shows in 10,000 to 15,000 seat arenas.
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Post by stc13 on Jan 1, 2019 17:02:17 GMT -5
I'm curious to see what size of arenas they're going to run their weekly show out of. I'm wondering if they plan on touring like WWE or staying generally central like TNA. Either way, I'm excited to see what AEW has to offer. I enjoyed ALL IN for the most part and will definitely give their product a shot. I think a smart move and away to start the company would be to have a set location or a few set locations atleast for the first year for their weekly TV show.The soundstage in Orland would work and has a long stored history with pro wrestling with WCW & TNA and you could possibly also run some TV shows out of Atlanta and Chicago which where and still are strong bases in terms of pro wrestling fans and place that have deep roots in pro wrestling. Then maybe run bigger venues for their PPV's and hold a few per year and run a smaller set of house shows in 10,000 to 15,000 seat arenas. The issue with Orlando was that you got dead crowds, because it was just another attraction. If they ran a weekly show or taping schedule from a major wrestling hotbed (Chicago, NYC), in a smaller venue, you would at least have a crowd who translates well on tv. And it keeps production costs down significantly. I don't understand the people crapping on this saying they can't compete with WWE. They can't. With their international growth over the last 5-10 years, nobody can. But this can be a fun, interesting alternate presentation of a wrestling show that opens up opportunities for some talented performers (not to mention jobs behind the scenes). That's a great thing for the business. If they try to be WWE-lite, they'll end up as TNA 2.0. But nothing that the Bucks or Cody have done or said gives me any reason to believe they aren't keenly aware of that fact. I'm not a big fan of any of the guys as wrestlers. But as WWE continues to hoard talent beyond the point that they could ever possibly use just to keep them from other promotions, it would be a great thing for workers to have alternate options while collecting a (presumably) decent paycheck.
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Post by The American Daydream on Jan 1, 2019 17:04:39 GMT -5
the real question is why do we have separate wrestling boards when only the WWE one is actually active. Should've just merged them all into one. Or ya know the forum can keep dying as per usual just so the same people who cry about micromanagement can feel better about everything being "organized"
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Post by LK3 on Jan 1, 2019 17:26:35 GMT -5
Forget competition. Let’s just enjoy it and support it and hope it’s successful. More wrestling is a great thing.
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