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Post by Mr. Orange on Sept 23, 2007 11:08:57 GMT -5
wut happened in the jardine liddel fight? Basically, round 1 went to Liddell because he was more aggressive and landing more shots but Jardine landed good leg kicks. Round 2 starts with a body kick by Jardine then he drops Liddell with a right. Liddell doesn't look like he's all there after that and he goes to the wrong corner at the end of the round. Round 3 is more of the same with Jardine landing many leg kicks and kicks to the body. Then he wins a decision with Wandy looking pissed in the crowd
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Post by kevx301 on Sept 23, 2007 13:16:42 GMT -5
Seriously, if I were Dana White I'd be pretty pissed off because these guys from Pride haven't lived up to their hype and have been disappointing since coming over to UFC. I mean, whatever he paid for them, I think he got ripped. So far, Rampage is the only exception to the rule for Pride guys doing well in the UFC. The rest of them have been a major let-down. I have no idea who the next Pride guy to come over to UFC will be, but I'll tell ya this right now, I won't pick him in the fight. I'll be picking the other guy from UFC because he will win. Like I said, Pride guys are awesome over there and that's where they should stay. Once they make the transition to UFC, it completely backfires on them and they end up losing, aside from Rampage of course. That Shogun guy put on a tremendous fight with Forrest last night, but he ended up losing in the end in a way that he hasn't lost up until that point, by rear-naked choke and Forrest made him tap. I don't believe he ever lost that way over in Pride. Same goes for Cro-Cop. I don't believe he ever got knocked the hell out like he did in his fight with Gonzaga. Bottom line, with the exception of Rampage Jackson, all these Pride guys are all hype and in the end, they simply don't live up to it once they come over to The UFC. You do realize PRIDE is out of business, right?
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Sept 23, 2007 14:29:40 GMT -5
chuck lost I know man. I was stunned. I mean, Chuck couldn't do in 15 minutes what Houston Alexander did in 48 seconds, which was knock Jardine the hell out.
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Post by kevx301 on Sept 23, 2007 17:51:35 GMT -5
Interviewer: What is the capital of Alaska? Silva: I just.....I don't.....no, I don't know.
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Post by gordon on Sept 23, 2007 17:56:13 GMT -5
screw jardine, i really dont think he won the fight, he never pushed the pace of the fight, i give him credit for the kicks and the body damage but his face was messed up. round 1 was lidell and the other two were draws, with jardine maybe getting round2 which would makie it a draw minimum. screw this grrrrrrrrr
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Sept 23, 2007 18:14:20 GMT -5
So, is the Liddell/Wanderlei Silva fight for December off now or what?? If so, does that mean it will now be Jardine vs. Wanderlei Silva since he won??
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Post by Kliquid on Sept 23, 2007 19:35:08 GMT -5
screw jardine, i really dont think he won the fight, he never pushed the pace of the fight, i give him credit for the kicks and the body damage but his face was messed up. round 1 was lidell and the other two were draws, with jardine maybe getting round2 which would makie it a draw minimum. screw this grrrrrrrrr Let me guess - you're a Liddell fan? I'm sorry, but Jardine CLEARLY won that fight. The biggest sham of the night was Jon Fitch's win not being a unanimous decision.
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Post by kevx301 on Sept 23, 2007 20:05:32 GMT -5
screw jardine, i really dont think he won the fight, he never pushed the pace of the fight, i give him credit for the kicks and the body damage but his face was messed up. round 1 was lidell and the other two were draws, with jardine maybe getting round2 which would makie it a draw minimum. screw this grrrrrrrrr Let me guess - you're a Liddell fan? I'm sorry, but Jardine CLEARLY won that fight. The biggest sham of the night was Jon Fitch's win not being a unanimous decision. Out of the UFC Fight Night and UFC 76, this is the only fight I predicted wrong. I like Fitch more than Sanchez, however, I knew the judges would give Sanchez the edge in the fight. If you look at past Fitch fights, he does well when he controls his opponent on the ground, but he does not push the pace. If I was a judge, I would not count that against him, however, I know UFC judges do. I knew Sanchez would come out hard and that's why I thought he'd earn a decision. It's funny how the two main events were expected to be quick knockouts, and every fight on the card ended up being close, for the most part.
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Post by Sandy on Sept 24, 2007 1:06:34 GMT -5
I don't know why but I really feel this will be a PPV with a bunch of upsets. I think Shogun is a phenomenal fighter but it is hard to go against the trend of PRIDE fighters getting their asses handed to them by UFC fighters. The only one to really impress everyone is Rampage. PLus his style is so unorthodox that I think it will work against him with Forrest. I think Forrest may catch him with one huge left hook or maybe an over-hand right. It should be a good fight nonetheless. I really want Chuck to win. Not because I like him, but because I don't feel Keith Jardine is main-event material yet. But they both like to slug, they both hold their hands very awkwardly that it is hard to guess what angle their punches will come..so it should be a good and very quick fight. Honestly don't see it going past the first round. If I had to guess I'm going to say Jardine. I want Chuck to win just because I feel a loss will probably affect his fight with Silva in December...but I just see Jardine pulling off the upset. I want Diego to come back and win this fight. He is such an exciting fighter. His fight with Parisyan was AMAZING. I want that Diego to come back against Fitch. This is a real sport. There's no such thing as main event material. Guys go out there and make themselves what they are, earning themselves the oppurtunity to be in the main event. You don't see Jardine as a main event guy because he's not one of the names that was big when Ultimate Fighter noobs starting watching. I meant as in the way his fights come across. To me he is just a boring fighter to watch. That is just my opinion. His best fight was his fight with Houston Alexander and that is because of how fast it was, as well as shocking. Strikers like him and Liddell are just so damn boring to me. I haven't seen anything from Jardine that impresses me beyond his striking. So that is why I said I wouldn't buy a PPV if he was the main event. When I think of champions I think of guys like Matt Hughes and Randy Couture. Not one dimensional guys like Tim Sylvia. Thats exactly what Jardine would be if he were champ. The light heavyweight version of Tim Sylvia.
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Post by Bearski on Sept 24, 2007 3:24:59 GMT -5
u cna't say pride has been terrible! its only been shogun and crocop. wait for fedor and the axe murder to fight! plus all the greats like hendo, a silva, rampage and nog. i also feel heath herring has alot to give still.
great event imo, the fact that there was no knockouts was starnge! i always doubted forrest due to all the noob attention, but now he is becoming a complete fighter, but then traing with randy and co everyday, what do u expect?
i don't what chuck should do! he hasn't got the same drive like randy, so he hasn't got long to make it all right! he needs to leave on a high! maybe feed him a 'easy' grudge match?
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Post by Bearski on Sept 24, 2007 3:27:57 GMT -5
Interviewer: What is the capital of Alaska? Silva: I just.....I don't.....no, I don't know. mayhem was hilarious all night!
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Post by Wonderben : Ricky Hatton on Sept 24, 2007 3:28:44 GMT -5
What a terrific PPV, Every fight was high quality stuff.
Griffin v Tavares was a great fight to start the night off, Fight of the night for me and once again proves that the lightweight division is the most exciting in the UFC.
Diego V Fitch was a great fight as well, Good stuff and could have gone either way although i did have Diego winning by 2 rounds to 1.
Wow Forrest was brilliant, Great performance and a big shock. Shogun completly gassed in the 2nd and i hope the rumours of him having bleeding of the brain are untrue, Surely the UFC would have told us by now if it was true.
Forrest v Rampage next for the title?
Chuck V Jardine was a great fight also, Jardine did everything that he needed to but Liddell was so 1 dimensional, he should have gone for a takedown instead of looking for that one big punch all the time.
I hope we still get to see Chuck V Silva in December, it would be a shame if we never get to see the fight.
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Post by gordon on Sept 24, 2007 14:35:05 GMT -5
screw jardine, i really dont think he won the fight, he never pushed the pace of the fight, i give him credit for the kicks and the body damage but his face was messed up. round 1 was lidell and the other two were draws, with jardine maybe getting round2 which would makie it a draw minimum. screw this grrrrrrrrr Let me guess - you're a Liddell fan? I'm sorry, but Jardine CLEARLY won that fight. The biggest sham of the night was Jon Fitch's win not being a unanimous decision. Yes i am a Liddell fan and to be fair i was worked up, and Jardine might have pushed the victory. I still think it could of went either way though, Jardine had many flaws but he did utilize the body and legs kicks well!
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Post by moogie101 on Sept 24, 2007 15:13:06 GMT -5
What an excellent show, for me UFC really delivered here. The highlight obviously was the incredibly gutsy performance by Forrest getting Shogun to tap to an RNC?? Shogun on most lists was the top of the 205lb division & presumably set up to challenge Rampage in a rematch & Forrest screwed up all those plans. Then Jardine screws up the December money fight between Liddell & Silva, incredible. Jardine was on the ball here, easilly winning the last two rounds by incredibly outstriking & hurting Liddell
If Dana is now looking for a fighter to face Silva in December I'd love to see Houston Alexander step up, I reckon that could be a interesting matchup.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2007 15:53:01 GMT -5
Shogun disappointed me big time. I was really looking forward to watching him fight, but nada. No clinch, no nothing. His takedowns looked very amateur and his striking didn't seem up to par. Forrest fought a hell of a fight and good for him for winning. I don't know if the Pride steroids rumors are true but Shogun definitely didn't look like himself out there. I still think that he's 10x the fighter that Shogun will ever be, but he needs to get his act together. I don't know if he looked past Forrest or what, but he needs to fix something. As tragic as it would be, I think he needs to leave Chute Boxe. He really needs to learn how to be a more technical fighter, learn how to strategize, and work on his cardio MUCH MUCH more. If he jumped over to Randy's camp, he'd be unstoppable in my opinion. Not only will his cardio be top notch, but he'll also get to work will Wandy again. But I don't see him leaving Chute Boxe, so that points pretty null. I hope the rumors of cerebral hematoma is false and that he'll be able to fight again. He's still only 25 and has a BRIGHT future ahead of him.
Who ever thought that the Chuck/Jardine fight was even close is an idiot. It couldn't have went either way, it was straight up Jardine. Chuck won the first round, no doubt, but rounds 2 and 3 CLEARLY went to Jardine. He landed many more strikes and controlled the fight. Jardine came in with a great gameplan and executed it to perfected. Did you see how red Chuck's side was? Ouch.
Fitch has been my favorite WW for awhile now, it was nice to see him dominate Diego. I can't believe he got out of that triangle and how that guillotine didn't even faze him. He's legit. I'm so happy Diego lost, too. I really don't like him. I hear he's thinking about moving down to 155, that's going to make that division even more stacked.
Machida is the real deal in LHW, he's going to stir up that division big time. I see him causing problems for everyone.
Tyson Griffin put on a great fight, yet again. He's been working his ass off lately and it's nice to see him getting quality wins over great opponents. I see him holding the belt one day.
It was a great card, one of the best in awhile. I hope Shogun bounces back and comes back better than ever. With the right work ethic there's nothing stopping him from being a champion. I heard that Shogun vs. Chuck is set for December, which would be a beyond amazing fight. If that happens, I'll bust, seriously. Plus, BJ Penn and Joe Stevenson are going to fight on that card, too.. And Roger Huerta and Clay Guida are rumored to be headlining the December UFN. So December is going to be a crazy month for MMA fans.
And whoever said that PRIDE fighters are terrible is an idiot. Honestly, do you even follow the sport. Anderson Silva, arguably the most dominant champion now, is from PRIDE. Rampage Jackson is from PRIDE. Nog got a nice win and will be a big name in the HW division and he's from PRIDE. Dan Henderson went 5 rounds with Jackson and put on a hell of a fight, he's predominantly from PRIDE. Crocop has done shitty in the UFC, yes, but it really does seem like he's done fighting. He just doesn't have the desire anymore. Shogun did shitty in his first fight because he came into the fight taking it lightly and looked past Griffin. Now that he has a loss to motivate him, expect him to come back better than ever. Wandy is here now to cause even more problems in the LHW division and Fedor is going to tear up the HW division. PRIDE was a legit organization with great fighters, don't let a few fights tell you otherwise.
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Post by Wonderben : Ricky Hatton on Sept 24, 2007 16:06:24 GMT -5
I don't know if the Pride steroids rumors are true but Shogun definitely didn't look like himself out there. I still think that he's 10x the fighter that Shogun will ever be, but he needs to get his act together You think Shogun is 10 times the fighter Shogun will ever be? Who ever thought that the Chuck/Jardine fight was even close is an idiot. Just because people have different opinions to you doesn't make them idiots, i thought the fight was quite close but Jardine just did enough in the 2nd and 3rd to get the win. Fitch has been my favorite WW for awhile now, it was nice to see him dominate Diego. How the hell did he dominate Diego? I had Diego winning by 2 rounds to 1, Diego could have submitted fitch on more than a few occasions and locked on some great sub attempts. Fitch really didn't ever look like finishing the fight and never really did any damage.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2007 16:47:53 GMT -5
Who has Forrest beat at 205? Seriously? Stephan Bonnar twice? Hector Ramirez? Elvis Sisonic? Nobody quality. Shogun has beaten Ricardo Arona, Rampage Jackson, Allistar Overeem, Kevin Randleman, and Little Nog.. Basically who were all top 10 when he fought them. It was a who's who of the LHW division at the time. So yes, I definitely think that Shogun is a much better fighter than Forrest Griffin.
Just because Chuck hit a couple of big shots here and there does not mean that it was a close fight. Jardine consistently hit good, clean shots and won the fight convincingly.
Because Fitch dictated the fight completely. Everything Diego threw at him, Fitch ate and gave it right back. Diego got plenty of submission attempts that Fitch was able to counter. He controlled the fight completely.
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Post by moogie101 on Sept 24, 2007 17:07:46 GMT -5
First off, with the Prde/ UFC fighting lets not include Anderson Silva as Pride fighters. He left Pride awhile ago, Anderson Silva if anything is representing Cage Rage.
Shogun for me looked poor, in Pride he beat some convincing guys & earnt his rep so lets not write him off just yet. However he was beaten convincingly by Forrest & not just because Shogun gassed so badly, he fought a smarter fight. Rumours are that the December show will now be Silva vs. Forrest & Shogun vs. Chuck which for my money sounds great.
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Post by Kliff and the Brewers on Sept 24, 2007 19:49:48 GMT -5
Lets also remember the differences between PRIDE FC and UFC. Most PRIDE fighters have always trained in a PRIDE like ring. UFC fighters always train in the caged octagon. Not to mention the different rules and scoring system.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2007 20:23:34 GMT -5
Lets also remember the differences between PRIDE FC and UFC. Most PRIDE fighters have always trained in a PRIDE like ring. UFC fighters always train in the caged octagon. Not to mention the different rules and scoring system. Yeah, but that has nothing to do with gassing out in the second round.
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