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Post by ThugSuperstar on Aug 30, 2007 23:21:00 GMT -5
Did someone really complain that we DON'T have Navarro on the Yankees? You do know that he pretty much sucks, right?
I think Randy Johnson would have won 300 games if he stayed with the Yankees, simply because of the ridiculous run support he was given. Now that he's gone, I don't think he'll get to it.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Aug 30, 2007 23:34:31 GMT -5
Randy Johnson could play for the Harlem Globetrotters and he wouldnt hit 300, his back was so ed up, hes lucky he made it this long
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Aug 30, 2007 23:42:41 GMT -5
Did someone really complain that we DON'T have Navarro on the Yankees? You do know that he pretty much sucks, right? I think Randy Johnson would have won 300 games if he stayed with the Yankees, simply because of the ridiculous run support he was given. Now that he's gone, I don't think he'll get to it. He's hurt this year, season ending surgery. It didn't matter if he stayed in New York or was traded, his back is shot either way. I don't think he'll get the 300 just because I don't think he can stay healthy long enough to do it. and Navarro is pretty much penis cake. Not even batting .210 The 34 games that Randy Johnson won over two years was more important, Navarro will never be good enough to carry a team and a staff like Po has for the Yankees over the last 9 years. That does pose a question as to who will be the Yankee catcher when Posada has to hang it up. However as of right now he has been one of the most consistent Yankee hitters this year. Has not missed any real time due to any injuries except like 3 games with a stiff neck which can happen to anyone. Posada seems to be getting better with age, however you have to be careful because he could hit the wall ANY time and be done. That happens to catchers in their late 30's...they are good, and then BAM....done. I think he's got 2 years left in him...sign him for 3 and take your chances on the 3rd year, maybe DH or 1B in 2010?
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Aug 31, 2007 12:53:46 GMT -5
Ideally, you'd want Posada to sign a 2-year deal with a club option for the 3rd year, but they might be forced to give him 3 guaranteed anyway. If Ivan Rodriguez hits the open market, I think Posada's value will decline. I don't think he'll be catching for all of those 3 years, though. Posada will likely become a DH eventually, which is going to help his body and the team in the long run.
Randy Johnson seems to have his sights set on playing two more years, which I can't see happening. But my point was that if he really did pitch two more seasons, the only way he would have had a chance at 300 was if he stayed with the Yankees. Him going back to Arizona was more to save his reputation than chasing anymore records.
The thing I love about the Randy Johnson trade is the fact that the D'Backs basically had a choice of any prospect they wanted from our system, including Wang, Cano, Melky, etc. Just goes to show you that you can't always go by what scouts say.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Aug 31, 2007 13:06:37 GMT -5
The Diamondbacks will be one of the best teams in the NL over the next 5+ years, so you think he will have a better chance in NY than Arizona?
Your making it sound like Arizona is some last place team that is going no where
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Aug 31, 2007 13:13:15 GMT -5
Arizona won't give Johnson as much run support as he got in New York. What pitcher has the luxury of finishing the season with a 5.00 ERA and winning 17 games? Johnson will put up better statistics in the NL (lower ERA, more strikeouts) but he's not going to win 17 games in a season anymore, even if he is healthy.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Aug 31, 2007 13:16:13 GMT -5
All he needs is 16 wins, Arizona is a 90 win team, F the run support, when you win 80-90 games a year, you are doing something right. Not to mention he wanted to go back to Arizona to get out of the spotlight and to be close to home.
He doesnt want to win 17 games a season anymore, it is unrealistic to expect that out of a 40+ year old pitcher. If he wants to reach 300, all he needs is 8 wins the next 2 years. Which I think he can do in Arizona, which will be the NL West leader for the next few years. Homer.
Cubs acquired RHP Steve Trachsel from the Orioles for infielder Scott Moore and RHP Rocky Cherry.
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Post by Jimmy on Aug 31, 2007 13:20:24 GMT -5
that's a nice return for the o's for trachsel
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Aug 31, 2007 13:22:58 GMT -5
Yah very much so, Cherry is older but a solid arm out of the pen.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Aug 31, 2007 13:28:59 GMT -5
He had two back operations this year, and you're assuming he has enough in him to win 8 games/ make 10 - 15 starts for the next 2 years?
He didn't go back to Arizona with the objective of winning 300 games, like I said. If that was the only reason he was playing, why the hell wouldn't he have stayed with the team that scored the most runs in baseball? He went back to the NL because it's less pressure and he has a better chance pitching more years there than he does if he stayed in New York.
I love that you seem to think that if Johnson finished with a 5.00 ERA on the Diamondbacks that they would give him anything close to 17 victories for a full season.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Aug 31, 2007 13:41:58 GMT -5
You are not making any sense? What does this mean: I love that you seem to think that if Johnson finished with a 5.00 ERA on the Diamondbacks that they would give him anything close to 17 victories for a full season. You are also contradicting yourself, you bring up his back and that you dont think he can win thoise 16 games....so....WHAT THE DOES RUN SUPPORT HAVE TO DO WITH THE FACT HIS BACK IS GONNA BE SO WEAK HE CAN BARELY WIN 8 GAMES OVER THE NEXT 2 YEARS. You my friend are just all over the place and flat out wrong with your assumptions and points, only thing that makes sense is that you wanna blow the Yankees some more in a random comment about Randy Johnson that has nothing to do with the Yankees, and all to do with his back
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Aug 31, 2007 13:56:40 GMT -5
I said that he would get to 300 wins IF he stayed with the Yankees. Assuming he stays healthy is the biggest question mark. If Johnson stays healthy and you figure that he made 10 - 15 starts in a season, I don't think he'd win more games with the D'Backs than he would with the Yankees.
Even if the run support the Yankees gave him only would wind up giving him 2-3 more wins in that span of 10 - 15 starts he makes, it's still extremely important since it means he has less work to do the following season.
When I originally said that, it was under the general assumption that he's healthy enough to pitch during that time frame. Obviously, if he's not able to pitch then he's not going to get to it.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Aug 31, 2007 14:00:18 GMT -5
He signs a 2 year deal with 29 of the 30 teams, he'll win 16 games, the Yankees arent the only team that can provide runs and support.
Just ignore everything I said about the Diamondbacks being great for the next 5 years, its cool.
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Post by T R W on Aug 31, 2007 14:17:36 GMT -5
Randy Johnson will win 300 games.
I have spoken.
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Post by Bubbles on Aug 31, 2007 14:19:34 GMT -5
braves please sweep the mets. k thx.
hopefully we don't have a let down against the marlins tonight.
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Post by T R W on Aug 31, 2007 14:24:32 GMT -5
After we sweep the mets, we sweep the phils. So don't get too happy. So far this year we own the mets, though with our luck, they'll kick our ass this series.
Go Marlins!
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Post by drippy on Aug 31, 2007 14:25:05 GMT -5
Steve Trachsel lol
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Post by Bubbles on Aug 31, 2007 14:29:02 GMT -5
yea what is it you guys have taking 9 out of 15 against the mets? o nd i'm glad you guys have all your big time pitchers going for this series and not our series.
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Post by T R W on Aug 31, 2007 14:39:25 GMT -5
We don't need our big time pitchers against you. Honestly, I'd rather pitch them on short rest. If we don't come out ahead in boh of these series, we're pretty much done for the playoffs, IMO.
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Post by michaelrichards on Aug 31, 2007 16:41:15 GMT -5
Wake scratched from tonights start, Tavarez will start, and tommorow either Buccholz or Lester, and Sunday whatever one of those 2 don't pitch tomorrow.
if i were the sox I'd let Dice-K pitch on his normal rest sunday, use Lester tomorrow then call up Buccholz for monday's game... mainly because I'm going monday and I want to see Buccholz haha.
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