MLB Regular Season Thread - May

[bjd]

Scott Proctor has a 2.92 ERA, and hasn't given up a run in his last 10.2 IP... how exactly has his "magic worn off?"

Please... enlighten me.

[nyk9327]

jdl375 said:

I think they jumped the gun on Clemens....its never smart to pay ONE player as much as the Yankees are paying Roger Clemens, but if you are like 5 out or in first, then at least it makes sense and you have a shot....but paying Clemens that much down 11.5 and only getting worse is pointless.

The Yankees unfortunately will have the course of their history changed after a year like this. I think you're going to see some huge changes toward youth rebuilding and and some surprises when people choose to walk away from this team.

Mariano Rivera and Jorge Posada will be gone after this year...teams that finish 20 games out of first don't sign players to the big contracts that these two players will command, especially due to their ages, regardless of how good Posada is or if Rivera turns it around. So Posada and Mo will be playing somewhere else in 2008.

Pettitte will retire, Roger Clemens will retire, and Alex Rodriguez will opt out. Bobby Abreu will not have his option picked up.
Mike Mussina might be traded at the deadline, and if not he will surely be gotten rid of in the off season.

I think with the exception of Brian Bruney, everyone in the bullpen has to go...total overhaul. Scott Proctor's 2006 magic has worn off, Mike Myers comes in every game to get one guy out and he can't do it, and Luis Vizcaino and Kyle Farnsworth are complete disasters.

I think this team needs to be broken down and re-built from scratch.

Man, what are you gonna say if they actually make the Wild Card?

Or, miss the playoffs by 3 games?

I understand us Yankee fans are going crazy right now because we've had like 11 years of being the top dog but let's calm down here. Should we ship off Jeter and Wang too?

I still think this team has run into some awful luck and timing on many things. Sure reguardless they wouldn't be over taking the Red Sox division lead right now. That team is playing the best ball all around in the Majors. I'll even admit my picks at this point for the AL WS team hopefuls are the Sox, Tigers, Twins and Angels. But I'm not gonna whore out my emotions like we didn't just have 4 championships in my lifetime.

I know people who are fans on here that can't even own up to more than 1... besides TRW.

Breath in, Breath out

[bjd]

Its one thing to blame the season on players, but players who are performing well? Want to blame people, I'll write the list right now:
George Steinbrenner
Brian Cashman
Joe Torre
Mariano Rivera
Mike Mussina
Kyle Farnsworth
Kei Igawa
Carl Pavano
Luis Vizcaino
Jason Giambi
Robinson Cano
Bobby Abreu

and to a lesser degree: Johnny Damon, Melky Cabrera, Wil Nieves, Doug Mientkiewicz, and Miguel Cairo.

Unless your name is Derek Jeter, Alex Rodriguez, Jorge Posada, Andy Pettitte or Brian Bruney, there is absolutely no reason for you to rave about your season as a Yankee...

Proctor and Myers have been adequate, as has Matsui.... and some of the spot guys like Chase Wright, Clippard, Hughes, DeSalvo have come up big at times... not much should be expected of them at this point.

Scott Proctor and his respectable numbers are hardly the reason for the Yankees failures.

[Lorenzo Alcazar]

Proctor has been doing better as of late, but early in the season he was killing the bullpen by coming in and putting guys all over the bases and having to get pulled and have somebody come in and try to get him off the hook, and he IMPLODED in that game in Boston early in the year and lost it for us. He also needs to walk less people.


I'd rather have him come in and give up 600 foot home runs rather than walk people, at least if that happens the batter had to prove he can hit the ball...but don't put guys on for free, especially in the late innings.

But it's not like it matters or anything, the Yanks have dug themselves a hole that's too big to climb out of, and we need to pass 7 teams in order to win the wild card, and 5 of the 7 teams ahead of us are NOT in the AL East, so its going to be tough because we don't play them enough times to pick up significant ground in head-to-head games.

I'm sorry, but this is not like previous years when I would freak out in June down by 3 games.....the Yankees are 11.5 games behind and showing no signs of life. No matter what year it is, no matter who you put in the uniform, when the clutch situation comes up THIS TEAM CAN'T SCORE RUNS....Its ridiculous.

When we pitch well we can't score, and when we score 10 runs we give up 11.....whatever can go wrong has gone wrong and the Yankees early season injuries have just been too much to overcome and I think thats why the offense is dead, because everyone is pressing, they were all trying to hard to make up ground when we were only 5 games back, and they pressed and now its 11.5

I'm sorry, but I think they are dead.

[T R W]

The first half of my life, the Braves were a laughing stock.

The second half they were incredible.

Now, it's hard to say. It's going to be interesting to look back at this period later to see what they managed to accomplish. I have to say, I am still surprised they are doing as well as they are, especially with all the pitching injuries.

[ThugSuperstar]

jdl375 said:

I think they jumped the gun on Clemens....its never smart to pay ONE player as much as the Yankees are paying Roger Clemens, but if you are like 5 out or in first, then at least it makes sense and you have a shot....but paying Clemens that much down 11.5 and only getting worse is pointless.

The Yankees unfortunately will have the course of their history changed after a year like this. I think you're going to see some huge changes toward youth rebuilding and and some surprises when people choose to walk away from this team.

Mariano Rivera and Jorge Posada will be gone after this year...teams that finish 20 games out of first don't sign players to the big contracts that these two players will command, especially due to their ages, regardless of how good Posada is or if Rivera turns it around. So Posada and Mo will be playing somewhere else in 2008.

Pettitte will retire, Roger Clemens will retire, and Alex Rodriguez will opt out. Bobby Abreu will not have his option picked up.
Mike Mussina might be traded at the deadline, and if not he will surely be gotten rid of in the off season.

I think with the exception of Brian Bruney, everyone in the bullpen has to go...total overhaul. Scott Proctor's 2006 magic has worn off, Mike Myers comes in every game to get one guy out and he can't do it, and Luis Vizcaino and Kyle Farnsworth are complete disasters.

I think this team needs to be broken down and re-built from scratch.

Why would Andy Pettitte retire after this season, when he's having one of the best years of his career so far?

[taker1]

ralpho316 said:

Yah Im not really worried about Ortiz's HR, he got to 9 real quick, hes gonna hit 40+. The man was slow at times last year.

Yeah I'm not too worried either. He's on pace for 60+ doubles, which is pretty amazing. He'll start hitting home runs again, although I doubt he'll get close to 50.

[tim]

the phillies are actually above .500 lol

[Jean-Ralphio]

See, this is what I was talking about. 1 game changes peoples opinions, obviously Lorenzo is "different" than others but 2 games ago, the Yankees were on the way to Ring 27, now they need to disband and play like the Royals.

Just relax and if the Yankees lose this season, theres always next season and the season after that and after that. For a team thats been in the playoffs for over a decade straight, you guys need to just breathe.

Like here are the Yankee fans posts at this Red Sox site I go to:

Today, 09:47 PM #1477
jmm57
Senior Member

Join Date: Nov 2004 Re: Daily Umpiring Discussion Thread -or- "They're Out to Screw Us!"
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The Yankees are 16-0 in games where the umps don't screw them, and have also managed 5 wins when the umps were against them......its just been terrible

This team would be in first place with fair umps


"This team would be in first place with fair umps"!


We seem to forget "2 UMP conspiracies"



and

[ThugSuperstar]

You're completely overreacting, dude. I don't think anyone here believes the Yankees are winning a Championship this year, and the reason 1 game changes everything is because we're 11 games out of first place.

I don't think this team is nearly as bad as Lorenzo makes them out to be. I just think this season has been a combination of incredibly bad luck and players not playing up to their expectations. I've been saying it for a while now, but Cashman needs to be fired for the way he put this team together. I'm not going overboard and saying trade Mussina and let everyone else go after this offseason. But it's just clear this team needs to be put together differently.

I really don't care about not making the playoffs this year, as long as Steinbrenner goes ape crapand starts canning people.

[Jean-Ralphio]

Well hes not going to can anyone during the season, not even Cashman. People were saying the division was in reach, but after 2 games, the world is ending. That was my point.

[ThugSuperstar]

I'm not going to bother to get into a debate about the umpiring because I don't expect anyone to feel sorry for the Yankees or anything. But if you've seen some of the calls that have gone against them this year, it's just absurd and embarassing to the game of baseball. Whether it's the Yankees, Red Sox, Royals, Devil Rays...I don't care. The bottom line is that the calls have just been brutal. The worst part about it is the fact that the blown calls have always lead to the opposing team taking advantage and going on to win the game.

[Jean-Ralphio]

There have been terrible calls, but I am sure thats happened to ALL the teams. You really do make it sound like they are out to get the Yankees. In the game where Curt Schilling got pounded, he was getting squeezed and missed calls, and like a bitch, he got unraveled. Thats one example of it affecting the Red Sox.

Its happened to every team in the league.

[Lorenzo Alcazar]

thugsuperstar said:

jdl375 said:

I think they jumped the gun on Clemens....its never smart to pay ONE player as much as the Yankees are paying Roger Clemens, but if you are like 5 out or in first, then at least it makes sense and you have a shot....but paying Clemens that much down 11.5 and only getting worse is pointless.

The Yankees unfortunately will have the course of their history changed after a year like this. I think you're going to see some huge changes toward youth rebuilding and and some surprises when people choose to walk away from this team.

Mariano Rivera and Jorge Posada will be gone after this year...teams that finish 20 games out of first don't sign players to the big contracts that these two players will command, especially due to their ages, regardless of how good Posada is or if Rivera turns it around. So Posada and Mo will be playing somewhere else in 2008.

Pettitte will retire, Roger Clemens will retire, and Alex Rodriguez will opt out. Bobby Abreu will not have his option picked up.
Mike Mussina might be traded at the deadline, and if not he will surely be gotten rid of in the off season.

I think with the exception of Brian Bruney, everyone in the bullpen has to go...total overhaul. Scott Proctor's 2006 magic has worn off, Mike Myers comes in every game to get one guy out and he can't do it, and Luis Vizcaino and Kyle Farnsworth are complete disasters.

I think this team needs to be broken down and re-built from scratch.

Why would Andy Pettitte retire after this season, when he's having one of the best years of his career so far?

Everyone seems to forget that Andy was going to retire and not play 2007......

And 1 or 2 games is the difference between life and death....for all of the dramatics against the Mets and the Red Sox last week, the Yankees are in a worse situation than before.

People don't seem to realize how difficult it is to come back from down 10.0+ games....it's not impossible, but you need to eventually STOP falling farther behind and you need to start picking up games.

If the Yankees had won the last 2 games against the Angels and were still 9.5 back, I would say they have a shot, not because 2 games makes a big difference, but I would say that momentum was on their side having won 5 out of their last 6....but to fall flat after the Boston series shows that this team does not have the ability to play consistent enough to string anything together and make a comeback.

The Red Sox had a tough series against the Yankees, but they turned right around and are going to sweep Texas and have not only picked back up the games they lost, but extended the lead....but the Yankees couldn't get any kind of momentum from taking 2 out of 3 from Boston and on Friday's game the pitching looked worse than it has all year, and yesterday the offense looked as bad as it has all year.

When you fall as far behind as the Yankees are, now is not the time of year to still be falling behind, they need to have started playing well and keeping the deficit where it is and started to pick up ground...a game here, a game there......but the Yankees are still losing ground.

Just like in a single game, it's impossible to come back if you continue to give up runs...well in a division race, it's impossible to come back if you continue lose ground in the standings.

[Jean-Ralphio]

Theres still the Wild Card, I know Lorenzo views that as anti-Baseball, but it still counts.

Andy Pettite didnt retire for 1 reason: Highest paid pitcher in baseball.

Duh.

[Jean-Ralphio]

Theres a very good possibility that the Yankees have problems next year too and heres why:

Pettite has a 16$ million player option for 2008, yah hes not rejecting that (could be good or bad)
Abreu has 16$ club option, yah thats not gonna be picked up NTC Full
Posada 12$ club option, 100% will be picked up THEN he will suck again (Contract year folks)
Mussina 11$ for 2008, NTC Full
Farnsworth and Igawa...back in 2008

[Lorenzo Alcazar]

ralpho316 said:

Theres still the Wild Card, I know Lorenzo views that as anti-Baseball, but it still counts.

Andy Pettite didnt retire for 1 reason: Highest paid pitcher in baseball.

Duh.

I don't wand to be the Wild Card....if the New York Yankees are not the best team in their division over the 162 game season then they do not deserve to be in the playoffs as a 2nd place team. They would not deserve to be in the playoffs with the same exact chance to win the World Series as all those teams who actually worked hard enough and played well enough to be in first place and win their divisions.

I'd rather not make the playoffs than be a 2nd place team who back doored it's way into the playoffs...there's nothing to brag about being the "best team that didn't finish first".

[michaelrichards]

you diss the wild card now, but trust me if u guys make it as the wild card... you wont have any bad things to say about it then.

[Jean-Ralphio]

This song is dedicated to my N word Lorenzo V Alcazar:


That's great, it starts with an earthquake, birds and snakes, an aeroplane,
Lenny Bruce is not afraid
Eye of a hurricane, listen to yourself churn - world
Serves its own needs, dont misserve your own needs. Feed
It off an aux speak, grunt, no, strength,turn, ladder
Start to clatter with fear fight down height. Wire
In a fire, representing seven games, in a government
For hire and a combat site. Left of west and coming in
A hurry with the furies breathing down your neck. Team
By team reporters baffled, trumped, tethered cropped
Look at that low playing! Fine, then. Uh oh,
Overflow, population, common food, but it'll do. Save
Yourself, serve yourself. World serves its own needs,
Listen to your heart bleed dummy with the rapture and
The revered and the right, right. You vitriolic,
Patriotic, slam, fight, bright light, feeling pretty
Psyched

It's the end of the world as we know it
It's the end of the world as we know it
It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine

Six o'clock - TV hour. Don't get caught in foreign
Towers. Slash and burn, return, listen to yourself
Churn. Locking in, uniforming,and book burning, blood
Letting. Every motive escalate. Automotive incinerate
Light a candle, light a motive. Step down, step down
Watch your heel crush, crushed, uh-oh, this means no
Fear cavalier. Renegade steer clear! A tournament,
a Tournament, a tournament of lies. Offer me solutions,
Offer me alternatives and I decline

(chorus)
It's the end of the world as we know it (it's time I had some time alone)
It's the end of the world as we know it (it's time I had some time alone)
It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine (it's time I had some
time alone)

I feel fine

(repeat chorus)

The other night I dreamt of knives, continental
Drift divide. Mountains sit in a line, Leonard
Bernstein. Leonid Brezhnev, Lenny Bruce and Lester
Bangs. Birthday party, cheesecake, jelly bean, boom! You
Symbiotic, patriotic, slam book neck, right? Right

(repeat chorus)

It's the end of the world as we know it
It's the end of the world as we know it
It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine (it's time I had some
time alone)

(repeat chorus 2x)

Fine
It's the end of the world as we know it (it's time I had some time alone)

[michaelrichards]

lmao.