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Post by JTG on Sept 2, 2018 9:16:07 GMT -5
I really only follow the aspects of the indies and NJPW from a very high level to keep my finger on the pulse of talent that might make their way to WWE someday, but I was intrigued enough to order this event last night. It wasn't perfect but it was thoroughly enjoyable. The matches were all entertaining, even with some odd moments (the abrupt finish to the women's match, Cody's long blading). Even so this didn't take me out of the show. I was very happy to see the production value was so high for this as well. It felt legit and I'm also in the camp that having a solid alternative to WWE is great for the industry and the audience. You can tell there are also some production growing pains that they'll hopefully work out for any follow up show that might be in the works.
My one major criticism, and it's actually more of a personal preference, is how some of the storylines were presented. I'm sure this isn't new to anyone who follows the indies, but for me I appreciate a certain level of suspension of disbelief when it comes to wrestling. Now don't get me wrong, I had a bit of a laugh at the dick druids, but when a guy's penis hip tosses somebody I start to get taken out of the show. Not to mention the basis of that storyline seemed to revolve around Joey Ryan's murder. It just seemed way too satirical and over the top for me to find entertaining because I prefer an element...or more so the illusion of realism when I watch wrestling. I think that's why I appreciate NXT so much. It has fun moments, but it always takes itself seriously enough to the point where it almost feels legit.
Anyways, there are my two cents for what it's worth. I'm definitely interested to see if they'll go ALL IN again.
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Post by LuisTX on Sept 2, 2018 10:02:53 GMT -5
I really don't get how any wrestling fan could knock this show,it was the biggest indy show in history and probably the biggest non WWE show sense the end of WCW.Just think this whole show and the and the wrestling boom on the indy scene has been mostly done by Cody & The Bucks.Give these three guys tons of credit for pulling this off and really looking froward to what they do next. I don't think anyone is specifically knocking anything these guys accomplished. They sold out a 10k seat venue, good for them. I'm sure from a business standpoint, this was a financial success for all those involved. But you can't be forced to say you enjoyed the end result product just because you admire what was done. I'm a big fan of Cody Rhodes, great for him to pull this off. But for me, it just wasn't that enjoyable of a show. I'm seeing a lot of people say how it's the greatest show they've ever seen, or at least the greatest wrestling show this summer. I would have to greatly disagree with that, but if one feels that way, then that's your choice. But if someone has to feel the need to compare this show to WWE shows, then in my opinion, that's their only goal, and not to just put over this show on its own.
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Post by vampiroporvida on Sept 2, 2018 12:03:16 GMT -5
I finally got to sit down an watch the Zero Hour, and man it was great. A couple missed timed spots in the SCU/Briscoes, but good none the less. I thoroughly enjoyed it. And man Scorp keeps changing his style and evolving. That knee at the end was v-trigger-esque. The battle royal got me cheering and laughing, like the crowd. That Jimmy Jacobs/Austin Gunn spot, the Jacobs Cena spot and wave to Hunter with the Pedigree starter had me tripping out. They got guts. Grace almost squatting Cage was crazy athletic. Marko Stunt stole the show, until Flip popped up. That crowd marked out for him to win. That had to be a nice feeling. Good on these guys for putting it all out there. I am eager to see what is next for these brilliant guys.
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Post by greenjack1992 on Sept 2, 2018 16:22:09 GMT -5
I didn't see Zero Hour, but I've just finished watching the main show and me that was extraordinary. They should all be immensely proud of themselves for what they accomplished, and I can't wait to see what comes of it.
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Post by greenjack1992 on Sept 2, 2018 16:24:35 GMT -5
My one major criticism, and it's actually more of a personal preference, is how some of the storylines were presented. The only storylines going in to the show were from their Being the Elite YouTube channel, which is a really silly comedy show where people die and cowboy boots talk. It's not really wrestling related and isn't supposed to be treated as anything more than a bit of fun for the internet.
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Post by greenjack1992 on Sept 2, 2018 17:08:44 GMT -5
All I can say is that if WWE pulled this, fans would be outraged. How do I know? People cry foul when WWE Championship isn’t the final match. People are upset with weird finishes. Rhodes wins the title on what is basically a roll up? Yay! But Cena has to hit two AAs in a row? Burial. And ar least TNA had penises that wrestled. This was World Wrestling AllStars but with fans who think because it’s not WWE it’s amazing. Good matches but it was WWE AND no one can see it. Okay, then. Putting aside the fact that the WWE Championship is intrinsically linked with the company putting on the show while All In doesn't have any titles and isn't affiliated with any, which world championship should have main evented the show? ROH or NWA? And how do you explain to the company who's title isn't main eventing that theirs isn't as important as the other? It's no where near as simple as you make it sound. Roll-up finishes are commonplace in indy wrestling and are a nice way to finish a match that makes the two men look like equals. It gives the match a feeling of genuine competition when the wrestlers are happy to win the world title simply by holding their opponent's shoulders to the mat for three seconds instead of hitting the five signature combo we see in every WWE match. When matches look like the two guys are trying to win the entire time, it makes for a more interesting and entertaining match. The penises are so obviously a nod to the whole BTE storyline, why even bring it up? All In was a project where it was all about the event and if it could be done, not the show. We bought it and watched it and hyped it because we want to support the project, regardless of what we would have changed about the show itself. Believe in something, for goodness sake!
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Post by havoc7179 on Sept 2, 2018 17:34:40 GMT -5
All I can say is that if WWE pulled this, fans would be outraged. How do I know? People cry foul when WWE Championship isn’t the final match. People are upset with weird finishes. Rhodes wins the title on what is basically a roll up? Yay! But Cena has to hit two AAs in a row? Burial. And ar least TNA had penises that wrestled. This was World Wrestling AllStars but with fans who think because it’s not WWE it’s amazing. Good matches but it was WWE AND no one can see it. Okay, then. Putting aside the fact that the WWE Championship is intrinsically linked with the company putting on the show while All In doesn't have any titles and isn't affiliated with any, which world championship should have main evented the show? ROH or NWA? And how do you explain to the company who's title isn't main eventing that theirs isn't as important as the other? It's no where near as simple as you make it sound. Roll-up finishes are commonplace in indy wrestling and are a nice way to finish a match that makes the two men look like equals. It gives the match a feeling of genuine competition when the wrestlers are happy to win the world title simply by holding their opponent's shoulders to the mat for three seconds instead of hitting the five signature combo we see in every WWE match. When matches look like the two guys are trying to win the entire time, it makes for a more interesting and entertaining match. The penises are so obviously a nod to the whole BTE storyline, why even bring it up? All In was a project where it was all about the event and if it could be done, not the show. We bought it and watched it and hyped it because we want to support the project, regardless of what we would have changed about the show itself. Believe in something, for goodness sake! So because it was a project we have to say it was an amazing job? Entitled much? This was a wwe event but people were blinded by the whole it’s Cody and The Bucks doing it. Kudos for doing it, but wrestling fans are blind sheep sometimes. As for your statements 1)if you’re correct, nwa was still not as high on the card as roh if I recall correctly. So however they explained it there just explain it again and bump them to the top of the card. Better yet, don’t have all the titles on the show. Especially if you’re trying to be different 2) guarantee you if Roman or AJ wins with a rollup fans would lose their minds in a bad way. 3) because even when a story makes “logical” sense in wwe people still crap on it. Just because it’s on the greatest show in the world (according to iwc) doesn’t mean it’s a) impervious to and b) not deserving of the same criticism that a majority of fans throw against wwe.
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Post by JTG on Sept 2, 2018 18:04:10 GMT -5
My one major criticism, and it's actually more of a personal preference, is how some of the storylines were presented. The only storylines going in to the show were from their Being the Elite YouTube channel, which is a really silly comedy show where people die and cowboy boots talk. It's not really wrestling related and isn't supposed to be treated as anything more than a bit of fun for the internet. That's totally fair. I'm just saying as someone who's more or less first time viewer this type of independent wrestling show, it wasn't set up with the context you provided so I took what I saw at face value. Not to mention it was only a couple of segments that gave off that vibe, but I'm glad to hear that's not typically how things go down though.
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Post by TheLastDude on Sept 2, 2018 18:09:35 GMT -5
Okay, then. Putting aside the fact that the WWE Championship is intrinsically linked with the company putting on the show while All In doesn't have any titles and isn't affiliated with any, which world championship should have main evented the show? ROH or NWA? And how do you explain to the company who's title isn't main eventing that theirs isn't as important as the other? It's no where near as simple as you make it sound. Roll-up finishes are commonplace in indy wrestling and are a nice way to finish a match that makes the two men look like equals. It gives the match a feeling of genuine competition when the wrestlers are happy to win the world title simply by holding their opponent's shoulders to the mat for three seconds instead of hitting the five signature combo we see in every WWE match. When matches look like the two guys are trying to win the entire time, it makes for a more interesting and entertaining match. The penises are so obviously a nod to the whole BTE storyline, why even bring it up? All In was a project where it was all about the event and if it could be done, not the show. We bought it and watched it and hyped it because we want to support the project, regardless of what we would have changed about the show itself. Believe in something, for goodness sake! So because it was a project we have to say it was an amazing job? Entitled much? This was a wwe event but people were blinded by the whole it’s Cody and The Bucks doing it. Kudos for doing it, but wrestling fans are blind sheep sometimes. As for your statements 1)if you’re correct, nwa was still not as high on the card as roh if I recall correctly. So however they explained it there just explain it again and bump them to the top of the card. Better yet, don’t have all the titles on the show. Especially if you’re trying to be different 2) guarantee you if Roman or AJ wins with a rollup fans would lose their minds in a bad way. 3) because even when a story makes “logical” sense in wwe people still crap on it. Just because it’s on the greatest show in the world (according to iwc) doesn’t mean it’s a) impervious to and b) not deserving of the same criticism that a majority of fans throw against wwe. Why do you keep bringing up the WWE or the people who wrestle there? This wasn't a WWE event. You seem to have an axe to grind with the IWC, why don't you take it up with them? Most of the people here are saying "hey, it was a good show...cool." Nobody is making it out to be the best show in history like you're accusing them of. You don't seem to understand the fact that the reason why people have a problem with the WWE title and it's placement on the card is because it's being treated as the inferior title. It's pissing a lot of people off because that's the belt that a lot of our heroes held and it's being treated like it doesn't matter anymore. We've had nine pay-per-views this year, and the WWE title was the main event at ONE of those nine. And that was only because it was the last SDL-only event. I'm not even going to address all the other nonsense in your post. Hell, I don't even know why I wasted my time typing out what I already have. Everything you've said is easily refuted, and nobody really has to give any of it much thought.
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Post by The American Daydream on Sept 2, 2018 19:09:30 GMT -5
Meh. It was cool seeing Stephen Amell and Jerichos appearance was awesome.
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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on Sept 2, 2018 21:21:42 GMT -5
Ok, I'm seeing some comments on here that i feel should be addressed, though I don't feel its anything worth deleting or locking (yet). There's nothing wrong with people enjoying the show, or giving criticism on the show. Personally, I'll criticize them not ending the show with the NWA Title. Cause personally i stopped caring about the show after Okada vs Scrull. Nothing against the six man, cause it was good, but to me it wasn't a main event type match. The show was a great indy show, to me thats how I'd treat it. Those who feel the show was a huge deal, thats great. WWE shouldn't really be mentioned in this. I don't mind arguments happening, just wanted to make sure it doesn't go farther than a little debate.
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Post by Mark Martin on Sept 2, 2018 23:36:42 GMT -5
Another thing I enjoyed was the crowd was pretty respectful throughout the show. No pointless chants and no "you f'ed up" at every tiny little mess up. And as far as the main event goes, I too thought it was strange the 6-man was last but I read that potentially they chose to go on last because they knew there would be time constraints at the end so they let Cody and Kenny go for as long as needed and the Bucks took whatever was left over to end the show which was only about 12 minutes.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Sept 3, 2018 1:14:36 GMT -5
I woke up today wanting to watch the show again. That's never happened before. I rewatch certain events but never this quickly. I thoroughly enjoyed it, even not than I realized at the time. My only complaints with the weekend were with FITE (which I don't need to get into again) and with how insanely overpriced Starrcast was. Overall though I'm happy having spent $120 to support the cause. Ok, I'm seeing some comments on here that i feel should be addressed, though I don't feel its anything worth deleting or locking (yet). There's nothing wrong with people enjoying the show, or giving criticism on the show. Personally, I'll criticize them not ending the show with the NWA Title. Cause personally i stopped caring about the show after Okada vs Scrull. Nothing against the six man, cause it was good, but to me it wasn't a main event type match. The show was a great indy show, to me thats how I'd treat it. Those who feel the show was a huge deal, thats great. WWE shouldn't really be mentioned in this. I don't mind arguments happening, just wanted to make sure it doesn't go farther than a little debate. That was the whole point, it's the biggest indy show ever. The show in and of itself wasn't a monumental, industry changing event but it's success was. This could an annual event. That's a pretty big deal imo.
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Post by walkingturtles on Sept 3, 2018 12:02:18 GMT -5
I really only follow the aspects of the indies and NJPW from a very high level to keep my finger on the pulse of talent that might make their way to WWE someday, but I was intrigued enough to order this event last night. It wasn't perfect but it was thoroughly enjoyable. The matches were all entertaining, even with some odd moments (the abrupt finish to the women's match, Cody's long blading). Even so this didn't take me out of the show. I was very happy to see the production value was so high for this as well. It felt legit and I'm also in the camp that having a solid alternative to WWE is great for the industry and the audience. You can tell there are also some production growing pains that they'll hopefully work out for any follow up show that might be in the works. My one major criticism, and it's actually more of a personal preference, is how some of the storylines were presented. I'm sure this isn't new to anyone who follows the indies, but for me I appreciate a certain level of suspension of disbelief when it comes to wrestling. Now don't get me wrong, I had a bit of a laugh at the dick druids, but when a guy's penis hip tosses somebody I start to get taken out of the show. Not to mention the basis of that storyline seemed to revolve around Joey Ryan's murder. It just seemed way too satirical and over the top for me to find entertaining because I prefer an element...or more so the illusion of realism when I watch wrestling. I think that's why I appreciate NXT so much. It has fun moments, but it always takes itself seriously enough to the point where it almost feels legit. Anyways, there are my two cents for what it's worth. I'm definitely interested to see if they'll go ALL IN again. RoH and NJPW take themselves incredibly seriously. Joey Ryan has just gotten this dick gimmick over. And honestly it’s not worse than most of the crap WWE puts out. I get if you are seeing it for the first time but alas WWE has done everything in its power to kill kayfabe and wrestling logic over the last decade so idk.
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Post by LuisTX on Sept 3, 2018 12:58:39 GMT -5
I didn't see Zero Hour, but I've just finished watching the main show and me that was extraordinary. I'm curious, what specifically did you find to be extraordinary? Are you saying the accomplishments of the parties involved, or the actual content of the show was extraordinary, and if you're saying the show was, I'd be curious to know what you felt was so extraordinary about it.
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Post by adecw on Sept 3, 2018 13:20:02 GMT -5
The penises and the penis hiptoss is way too much out there for my liking
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Post by punksnotdead on Sept 3, 2018 23:31:56 GMT -5
Here are my pictures from All In and Starrcast. I thought the show was the most fun I've ever had at a wrestling event. I've sat front row at WrestleMania. I went to plenty of WCW, ECW and WWF shows in the late 90s. I've seen TNA dozens of times between the fair grounds in Nashville and in the IZ in Orlando. I've been to every gym NXT travels to in Florida. This wasn't ROH, either. This show felt much lighter and a ton more fun, and the crowd in attendance shared something that a normal wrestling audience just doesn't have in common. It was a sense of community that was really unique to that show. If you're not a fan of BTE, I don't really expect you to get it. It probably wasn't for you. I think the Bucks have always made that pretty clear. It's great that they made the show accessible to everyone, it's a really fun party if it's your kind of thing, but by doing so it opened it up to a number of fans who are programmed to enjoy wrestling a specific way. Art is entirely subjective. So I don't expect everyone, or even the majority of fans, to get what is happening with that group of guys, but I think the fans who are in on this ride feel like something incredibly special happened in that building Saturday and I can attest, first hand, that was the case. Match quality wasn't nearly as important to me as how many stories I think were told and how many payoff moments the show provided: - SCU was great. Loved seeing Scorpio continue to grow as a performer. The Rocky attires were money. Heel Briscoes actually working as heels is great. - Thought the Battle Royal was legit the best one of those I've seen in years. Jordynne was a highlight but everyone kind of got their spot and the Flip moment was berserk payoff for the Book Flip story. - MJF/Cross was a meh match for me. Not really seeing it with MJF and Cross has had tons of better matches. Solid match, but nothing special for me. - Loved all of Amell/Daniels. I'm a fan of Amell but I was glad he lost. He worked his ass off. I hope he does more because he fits nicely in this All In world. - The women's 4 way was more crowd than performance imo but I thought Chelsea Green really shined. Crowd was confused by the finish. Happy Tessa won. Britt using ACBB's music was a nice surprise. - LOVED the rollup finish for the NWA Title match. The energy before the match was awesome. Thought the Diamond Cutter spot was too much but the rest of the match was great. Felt real for Cody, so it was real for me. That's his daddy's belt. - Page put a God damn phone around Janela's neck for the finish and then murdered him. Super entertaining match for me. I thought Ford was fantastic. The boots were great. Joey Ryan being back from the dead with penis druids was the perfect ending to that story. Really a great, great, finish/follow through to what they had been doing on BTE. "Rest In Penis" was chant of the night haha. - I laughed for like 70% of the ROH Title match. Loved Black Machismo being back. Loved his stuff with Brandi in particular. Good showcase match for Flip but glad Lethal retained. - Omega/Penta was match of the night for me. Pentagon looked really strong, to the point I thought Omega could easily lose. The arm snap and package pile driver spot hooked me hard. The after match stuff with Jericho was excellent. - Villain really put up a fight and I loved how many "heavyweight" moments they inserted here with him. I thought this was the second best match of the night and largely due to how strong Marty looked. Okada is just so good and the pacing was pretty perfect for Okada building to the Rainmaker. - I have zero issue with cramming 20 minutes of work into 12. The Bucks have shown multiple times in the last year how well they can work a non Lucha/PWG style match, but this was perfect for the six guys in the ring. Rey's attire was insane. I was actually sitting a seat down from Bill from Mattel and made a comment about it to him. (And yes I know Mattel has the DC license and can't make Wolverine, or Rey for that matter haha)0 to 100 to finish before they went dark was fine by me and really didnt' feel like it was missing much sans more singles time with Rey and Kota. After the PPV ended, Rey said some nice things to the Bucks, and then the Bucks thanked the fans and tried to bring as many people out as they could to thank in the ring. At which point, Cody cut an amazing promo about the bond they all have together and said they were sticking together. He handed it off to Kenny for some crowd thank you and the Goodbye and Goodnight. Bang. It was the best part of the show. It felt real. 10,000 people didn't move a muscle and watched the entire thing to the end. So yeah, if you were expecting a glorified New Japan show but with just four hours of one 5 star match after another, I have no doubt you were disappointed. However, if you're a fan of Being the Elite and the time and storytelling and energy that goes into that show, and really the 10 pounds of Gold series that Billy put together, then I think the show was incredibly special and paid off in every single way. In saying that, I hope they made some new fans with the uniqueness of their brand of art. I also think the matchups were pretty special. Rey standing across from Ibushi was magnetic. It's those moments I left the show most appreciating. Starrcast was pretty great for the talent involved but pretty disorganized. I guess that was to be expected but the space felt too small and things kept getting moved around. That being said, everyone was really accessible and kind of just floating around doing podcast interviews and hanging out. I talked to Kaz away from the table and he was really cool and Buff Bagwell and David Arquette were extra, super, nice during their meets. So I felt the money was definitely worth it. I thanked Conrad for putting it together. He looked stressed but was nice to everyone talking to him. I was really impressed with Tessa Blanchard, too. I got to cross Jerry Lynn off my list which was a really big deal to me. He was one of my favorites from ECW and I used to drive to Nashville to TNA when he had the Team USA run with Daniels, Sabin and Elix in that 04 period. Getting to talk to him was great. Anyway, pictures. Sorry, I was first row of the uppers. So squint really hard:
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Post by LK3 on Sept 4, 2018 2:16:29 GMT -5
Great pictures! I'm sure it was an amazing experience to be there live.
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Post by punksnotdead on Sept 4, 2018 9:39:07 GMT -5
Great pictures! I'm sure it was an amazing experience to be there live. Thanks! And it really was. The crowd was buzzing for 5 hours and it was a light heartedness I wish I could bottle and take with me to every show. It felt like as much of a celebration as it was a wrestling show. Just extremely fun from start to finish.
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Post by hammer on Sept 4, 2018 10:27:25 GMT -5
legitimately my second favorite ppv/major event of the year (dominion will be very tough to top for me). the matches by themselves were good, not great, but top to bottom it was just a fun ass show. from cody/aldis on, there wasnt a low point to be found. im fine with the bucks going on last, evidently they expected to have the show run long, so that 6 man made the most sense to cram as much stuff into as little time as possible. you wouldnt want the nwa title match, or kenny/penta, to have to cram for no reason.
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