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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 19:08:13 GMT -5
All of these statements are also applicable to WWE. WWE creates stars, the problem is they start and stop with guys and girls too much. As for ratings, yes ratings are down because of what i said earlier and the fact that the raw champ lesnar shows up once every 3 months, which is dumb and they need to fix that. But WWE does not hold a wrestlers "gimmick" hostage like gfw is doing now and making up lies about the hardy's. Take a look at Samoa Joe and AJ Styles, both elite talents that left the whole in the ground that is tna/gfw and are now makings millions of dollars and headlining ppvs. except they are doing the same thing with Cody Rhodes. |
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Post by powerfred3k on Jul 27, 2017 19:23:09 GMT -5
Last i heard he was still calling himself by his name.
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Post by IRS on Jul 27, 2017 19:49:24 GMT -5
All of these statements are also applicable to WWE. WWE creates stars, the problem is they start and stop with guys and girls too much. As for ratings, yes ratings are down because of what i said earlier and the fact that the raw champ lesnar shows up once every 3 months, which is dumb and they need to fix that. But WWE does not hold a wrestlers "gimmick" hostage like gfw is doing now and making up lies about the hardy's. Take a look at Samoa Joe and AJ Styles, both elite talents that left the whole in the ground that is tna/gfw and are now makings millions of dollars and headlining ppvs. You mean like not allowing Cody to use the Rhodes name after he left? And for the record, I'm not defending GFW for doing it, because I think it's moronic, but they're absolutely not the only ones to have done it. And ratings were hitting record lows far before Lesnar was champ. They've been in the gutter since last year. And they aren't creating stars. They're botching every chance they have at making stars, and not just with the stop-start crap. Cena is a star. Lesnar is a star. The reason they're stars is because they were able to have the freedom to get themselves over - something practically none of the full-time roster members have. WWE didn't create AJ or Joe; their characters are essentially the same as they were prior to getting to WWE, just on a bigger stage. Ambrose or Rollins could be 10x more over than they are, and proper superstars, with proper booking. So could Wyatt. So could Reigns, instead of having three-quarters of the audience booing the crap out of him. If Cena's career ended tomorrow, there's not a single person ready to carry the company for the next decade right now. It's all well and good to laugh at TNA/GFW's great ability to shoot themselves in the foot, but if anything, considering the immense amount of talent they have compared to the quality of their weekly programming, WWE is doing a more grand job of it right now. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 20:11:03 GMT -5
WWE creates stars, the problem is they start and stop with guys and girls too much. As for ratings, yes ratings are down because of what i said earlier and the fact that the raw champ lesnar shows up once every 3 months, which is dumb and they need to fix that. But WWE does not hold a wrestlers "gimmick" hostage like gfw is doing now and making up lies about the hardy's. Take a look at Samoa Joe and AJ Styles, both elite talents that left the whole in the ground that is tna/gfw and are now makings millions of dollars and headlining ppvs. You mean like not allowing Cody to use the Rhodes name after he left? And for the record, I'm not defending GFW for doing it, because I think it's moronic, but they're absolutely not the only ones to have done it. And ratings were hitting record lows far before Lesnar was champ. They've been in the gutter since last year. And they aren't creating stars. They're botching every chance they have at making stars, and not just with the stop-start crap. Cena is a star. Lesnar is a star. The reason they're stars is because they were able to have the freedom to get themselves over - something practically none of the full-time roster members have. WWE didn't create AJ or Joe; their characters are essentially the same as they were prior to getting to WWE, just on a bigger stage. Ambrose or Rollins could be 10x more over than they are, and proper superstars, with proper booking. So could Wyatt. So could Reigns, instead of having three-quarters of the audience booing the crap out of him. If Cena's career ended tomorrow, there's not a single person ready to carry the company for the next decade right now. It's all well and good to laugh at TNA/GFW's great ability to shoot themselves in the foot, but if anything, considering the immense amount of talent they have compared to the quality of their weekly programming, WWE is doing a more grand job of it right now. the Biggest case is Daniel Bryan. had CM Punk not walked out and the fans crapting on the Rumble. he would have jobbed to Sheamus at WrestleMania 30. |
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Post by "Living Legend" Duttanized on Jul 28, 2017 2:24:56 GMT -5
All of these statements are also applicable to WWE. WWE creates stars, the problem is they start and stop with guys and girls too much. As for ratings, yes ratings are down because of what i said earlier and the fact that the raw champ lesnar shows up once every 3 months, which is dumb and they need to fix that. But WWE does not hold a wrestlers "gimmick" hostage like gfw is doing now and making up lies about the hardy's. Take a look at Samoa Joe and AJ Styles, both elite talents that left the whole in the ground that is tna/gfw and are now makings millions of dollars and headlining ppvs. What stars have WWE created? The Young Bucks sell more merch than 90% of the roster. AJs contract is about a third of what you think it is. Quarter that for Joe. WWE is the ultimate culprit of holding talents and gimmicks hostage. They've lost more fans than any major television company ever and that's a continual phenomenon. It's pro wrestling in America, no company has respect for their workers. IMPACT faults are more public because of the carnies that are running it. |
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Post by powerfred3k on Jul 28, 2017 16:03:59 GMT -5
WWE creates stars, the problem is they start and stop with guys and girls too much. As for ratings, yes ratings are down because of what i said earlier and the fact that the raw champ lesnar shows up once every 3 months, which is dumb and they need to fix that. But WWE does not hold a wrestlers "gimmick" hostage like gfw is doing now and making up lies about the hardy's. Take a look at Samoa Joe and AJ Styles, both elite talents that left the whole in the ground that is tna/gfw and are now makings millions of dollars and headlining ppvs. What stars have WWE created? The Young Bucks sell more merch than 90% of the roster. AJs contract is about a third of what you think it is. Quarter that for Joe. WWE is the ultimate culprit of holding talents and gimmicks hostage. They've lost more fans than any major television company ever and that's a continual phenomenon. It's pro wrestling in America, no company has respect for their workers. IMPACT faults are more public because of the carnies that are running it. I would say all 3 members of the shield are made men with varying levels of success. Daniel Bryan and CM Punk where top stars that made it in wwe before one had to retire and the other quit. I would easily say aj styles and samoa joe have made it in the wwe. Now you can say wwe didn't create them but they went from being thousandaires in roh, tna, and the indies to being millionaires in wwe. Bobby Roode another former tna guy who wised up and got out of tna. Now look at where he is now, top guy in nxt and any day now he is going to be called up to raw/smackdown. You can knock wwe for many things, but they are still making money. You can not say the same thing about tna now gfw. I would not want "carnies" as you put it in charge of a wrestling company. That has been its problem from the very beginning and will be in the end. |
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Post by "Living Legend" Duttanized on Jul 29, 2017 15:57:06 GMT -5
What stars have WWE created? The Young Bucks sell more merch than 90% of the roster. AJs contract is about a third of what you think it is. Quarter that for Joe. WWE is the ultimate culprit of holding talents and gimmicks hostage. They've lost more fans than any major television company ever and that's a continual phenomenon. It's pro wrestling in America, no company has respect for their workers. IMPACT faults are more public because of the carnies that are running it. I would say all 3 members of the shield are made men with varying levels of success. Daniel Bryan and CM Punk where top stars that made it in wwe before one had to retire and the other quit. I would easily say aj styles and samoa joe have made it in the wwe. Now you can say wwe didn't create them but they went from being thousandaires in roh, tna, and the indies to being millionaires in wwe. Bobby Roode another former tna guy who wised up and got out of tna. Now look at where he is now, top guy in nxt and any day now he is going to be called up to raw/smackdown. You can knock wwe for many things, but they are still making money. You can not say the same thing about tna now gfw. I would not want "carnies" as you put it in charge of a wrestling company. That has been its problem from the very beginning and will be in the end. Roode/AJ/Joe were all millionaires if not multimillionaires before entering the WWE. As far as WWE making money goes, explain how in nearly 18 years their stock price has gone down while people say they're doing great business? Why is WWE continually cutting Network content? If the leaders at WWE were such great leaders, why did they withhold CM Punks Wrestlemania payout and royalties cheque? Why don't they provide medical insurance to their workers? Why aren't they compensating talent for their full contracts when they get injured? WWE is no better than any other company in North America. |
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Post by IRS on Aug 23, 2017 23:57:58 GMT -5
Low Ki is done.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 3:58:06 GMT -5
Damn Straight, Man Did the right thing if the first source is true.
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Post by Edgeacution on Aug 24, 2017 15:18:42 GMT -5
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Aug 24, 2017 18:12:38 GMT -5
Honestly, Low Ki is a pain in the ass. Dude is a phenomenal talent....but not good enough to put up with his crap. I can understand everyone's desire to want to be involved in top stories and be champion. But the fact is this guy has pulled this in TNA/GFW numerous times and of course his 1 run in WWE. Obviously no place can seem to make the guy happy.
Like I said, great in ring talent. But he isnt this mega superstar that is putting butts in seats or whoring merchandise. Adios amigo. Hopefully these companies will think twice before signing this guy.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 19:13:52 GMT -5
Honestly, Low Ki is a pain in the ass. Dude is a phenomenal talent....but not good enough to put up with his crap. I can understand everyone's desire to want to be involved in top stories and be champion. But the fact is this guy has pulled this in TNA/GFW numerous times and of course his 1 run in WWE. Obviously no place can seem to make the guy happy. Like I said, great in ring talent. But he isnt this mega superstar that is putting butts in seats or whoring merchandise. Adios amigo. Hopefully these companies will think twice before signing this guy. Only disagree with the second part of this. The first part, however, couldn't agree with more. |
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Aug 24, 2017 21:42:25 GMT -5
Honestly, Low Ki is a pain in the ass. Dude is a phenomenal talent....but not good enough to put up with his crap. I can understand everyone's desire to want to be involved in top stories and be champion. But the fact is this guy has pulled this in TNA/GFW numerous times and of course his 1 run in WWE. Obviously no place can seem to make the guy happy. Like I said, great in ring talent. But he isnt this mega superstar that is putting butts in seats or whoring merchandise. Adios amigo. Hopefully these companies will think twice before signing this guy. Only disagree with the second part of this. The first part, however, couldn't agree with more. You disagree with me on star power or companies thinking twice or both? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 21:44:53 GMT -5
Only disagree with the second part of this. The first part, however, couldn't agree with more. You disagree with me on star power or companies thinking twice or both? I guess both. If he stayed around a company long enough, the guy's talent would make him over. No doubt. One of the most crisp wrestlers I've ever seen. Even more crisp than the beloved AJ Styles. |
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Aug 24, 2017 21:52:09 GMT -5
You disagree with me on star power or companies thinking twice or both? I guess both. If he stayed around a company long enough, the guy's talent would make him over. No doubt. One of the most crisp wrestlers I've ever seen. Even more crisp than the beloved AJ Styles. He's awesome. Not sure if I am gonna say hes as good as AJ...but its kind of splitting hairs. While he might be able to become a mega star if he was to stick around...the fact is, he doesnt and he has only hindered his own opportunities. He has a bad rep. in the back with the boys and trouble getting along with management and even his fellow performers. I have heard some horror stories about the guy. Hes also marks hard for himself. Sometimes I just see someone like Ki and think of how much talent is just being squandered away when the wrestler themselves cant get out of their own way of success. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 21:56:56 GMT -5
I guess both. If he stayed around a company long enough, the guy's talent would make him over. No doubt. One of the most crisp wrestlers I've ever seen. Even more crisp than the beloved AJ Styles. He's awesome. Not sure if I am gonna say hes as good as AJ...but its kind of splitting hairs. While he might be able to become a mega star if he was to stick around...the fact is, he doesnt and he has only hindered his own opportunities. He has a bad rep. in the back with the boys and trouble getting along with management and even his fellow performers. I have heard some horror stories about the guy. Hes also marks hard for himself. Sometimes I just see someone like Ki and think of how much talent is just being squandered away when the wrestler themselves cant get out of their own way of success. Never said he was better than Styles. He is, however, more crisp in his execution of moves. Still like comparing apples and oranges. Well aware of Ki's backstage persona and plenty of horror stories. Sadly though, you hear similar stories about a lot of "indie" talent "marking" for themselves. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2017 2:23:20 GMT -5
I would've loved to see him as a world champion in TNA/GFW but oh well...maybe Japan again?
Not holding my breath.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Aug 25, 2017 17:38:40 GMT -5
He's awesome. Not sure if I am gonna say hes as good as AJ...but its kind of splitting hairs. While he might be able to become a mega star if he was to stick around...the fact is, he doesnt and he has only hindered his own opportunities. He has a bad rep. in the back with the boys and trouble getting along with management and even his fellow performers. I have heard some horror stories about the guy. Hes also marks hard for himself. Sometimes I just see someone like Ki and think of how much talent is just being squandered away when the wrestler themselves cant get out of their own way of success. Never said he was better than Styles. He is, however, more crisp in his execution of moves. Still like comparing apples and oranges. Well aware of Ki's backstage persona and plenty of horror stories. Sadly though, you hear similar stories about a lot of "indie" talent "marking" for themselves. True, true. Sorry, I misunderstood what you were saying about being crisp. |
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Post by figurecollector on Sept 21, 2017 20:50:30 GMT -5
I heard something about it earlier in the year, but now that Da Pope has not been on for a few weeks, I see that he is no longer with Impact.
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Post by "Living Legend" Duttanized on Oct 2, 2017 22:53:41 GMT -5
He's awesome. Not sure if I am gonna say hes as good as AJ...but its kind of splitting hairs. While he might be able to become a mega star if he was to stick around...the fact is, he doesnt and he has only hindered his own opportunities. He has a bad rep. in the back with the boys and trouble getting along with management and even his fellow performers. I have heard some horror stories about the guy. Hes also marks hard for himself. Sometimes I just see someone like Ki and think of how much talent is just being squandered away when the wrestler themselves cant get out of their own way of success. Never said he was better than Styles. He is, however, more crisp in his execution of moves. Still like comparing apples and oranges. Well aware of Ki's backstage persona and plenty of horror stories. Sadly though, you hear similar stories about a lot of "indie" talent "marking" for themselves.A certain MYC talent that IMPACTs thinking about signing is developing a similar reputation as well. You'd think in an age of social media some people would start acting like professionals but who knows. |
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