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Post by RybackV1 on Sept 17, 2015 17:29:36 GMT -5
STUPID!!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2015 17:29:40 GMT -5
Really not true at all. I'm a big John Cena fan, he's my second favourite wrestler ever. And even I will admit that Owens looked like a complete joke coming out of that feud. I thought Cena was your favorite? Then who's number 1?
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Sept 17, 2015 17:29:41 GMT -5
Even if the WWE came up with good plans for Bray after that, he was pretty dead in the water. Bray Wyatt was dead in the water the day he decided that talking in intriguing riddles was more important than building feuds and matches. None of his wins or losses have meant much of anything, and the cult leader gimmick was pretty much defanged when Daniel Bryan did the "lol jk" pseudo-turn before we'd ever seen a genuine new recruit to the family. Do you seriously feel like Ted DiBiase took Hogan or Warrior to the limit more than Owens did Cena? Anybody who came away from the Cena vs Owens feud thinking that Owens was presented like a complete joke in any of it is almost certainly just upset at the good guy winning, because all three of those matches played out like they were equals who could have gone either way. There has very rarely ever been a time in WWE history where the losing heel was such an epic genuine threat to the megastar babyface in the feud (especially without having a monster gimmick). The only times I can think of were Triple H in the feuds with Austin and Rock, though there are certainly some I've forgotten. But even Edge and CM Punk when they were heels never really seemed like they had JC's number in a straight up battle the way KO did. As you've noted yourself in the past, Cena's matches take more than one AA all of the time now. Ambrose, Barrett, and a few others during his US Title run have all looked pretty close to him a few times. None on the level of Owens and I agree with that. Still, he tapped out like a chump in their final match and for a look of people, he looked like his only win was a fluke. I don't think he looked like a complete joke. That's probably because I'm not "almost certainly just upset at the good guy winning." Please stop with that. The guys who came out looking like complete jokes after the Cena feuds were guys like Bray and Rusev. But again, as people have stated, none of those guys have come out of the Cena feud for the better. The only guys who were ever elevated by facing Cena were Edge, Punk and Bryan that I can think of. I don't really have the energy to continue this back and forth. It's the same back and forth that you've played with myself and many others on this board for years. It's tiring and I'm pretty much done here.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2015 17:29:53 GMT -5
I'm not big on Ziggler, but I did like his last reign.
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Post by attitudesback on Sept 17, 2015 17:30:56 GMT -5
To say he's just "garbage" really isn't true. He's proven before that he can wrestle good matches and has been the best IC Champion WWE have had in a long time. No, he's definitely garbage. His mic work is unbearable, he's STILL sloppy and extremely stiff in the ring (not in a strong style way, either). The guy just isn't good. As far as good IC champions? Ziggler, Harper, Barrett. All better champions. Hell, even Bryan's two weeks were far better than anything Ryback has done as champion. Garbage and then some. One of the worst on the Mic that gets frequent TV time. Going toe-to-toe with a talent like Kevin Owens just showcases how forced and fake his dialogue is.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2015 17:31:58 GMT -5
I thought Cena was your favorite? Then who's number 1? He was a main contender in my fig fed for years. Him and Shelton Benjamin had some great battles for the IC title.
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Post by RybackV1 on Sept 17, 2015 17:32:15 GMT -5
Blind hatred is still very real folks
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Post by attitudesback on Sept 17, 2015 17:33:54 GMT -5
Thing is, once you face Cena there's nowhere to go. That's not Cena's fault, he's the top guy and really, he's got to win. WWE just don't have the diversity in talent like they used to. Once you'd finished with Taker, you could go into a program with Austin, The Rock, HBK, Triple H, Paul Wight, Mankind etc etc etc. I think few things have had such a harsh decline than wrestling.
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Post by Planktung on Sept 17, 2015 17:34:36 GMT -5
To say he's just "garbage" really isn't true. He's proven before that he can wrestle good matches and has been the best IC Champion WWE have had in a long time. No, he's definitely garbage. His mic work is unbearable, he's STILL sloppy and extremely stiff in the ring (not in a strong style way, either). The guy just isn't good. As far as good IC champions? Ziggler, Harper, Barrett. All better champions. Hell, even Bryan's two weeks were far better than anything Ryback has done as champion. Here, blind man. Let me help you cross the street.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Sept 17, 2015 17:36:15 GMT -5
I'm not big on Ziggler, but I did like his last reign. Yea, his last reign was the only recent good one. Daniel Bryan's probably would have been but he got hurt. Ryback's would be better if he didn't have to feud with Big Show and get hurt.
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Post by attitudesback on Sept 17, 2015 17:37:16 GMT -5
You guys seriously don't think THIS is good promo work?
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Sept 17, 2015 17:38:24 GMT -5
Fickle fans are no better than WWE. Their tantrums over Daniel Bryan not winning every match ever at the very least delayed the building of a mega star. Whiny fans are pretty much exactly why we've had a boring title run for Rollins. Maybe a Reigns run wouldn't have been any better, but I do think he'd have been more capable of carrying the title better. But the problem isn't Rollins, he has been playing his character to a tee. The problem is his booking. And honestly, the problem wasn't that Bryan wasn't going to win, it was that Reigns was winning. Reigns was not at all near ready at the Royal Rumble. I didn't want Reigns to lose because I hate him, it was because I did not care at all for Reigns. The WWE needs to understand, if the fans aren't invested, the angle is going to fall flat. The only thing I have been invested in for a while now is the New Day and Cesaro. Everything else I have pretty much been using as background noise. RAW has fallen below their pre-Attitude Era ratings.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Sept 17, 2015 17:41:07 GMT -5
Blind hatred is still very real folks
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2015 17:41:32 GMT -5
No, he's definitely garbage. His mic work is unbearable, he's STILL sloppy and extremely stiff in the ring (not in a strong style way, either). The guy just isn't good. As far as good IC champions? Ziggler, Harper, Barrett. All better champions. Hell, even Bryan's two weeks were far better than anything Ryback has done as champion. Barrett's reign was a total joke. He lost matches every other week. Harper was nothing more than a transitional champion. We consider wins/losses for a good reign? Jesus.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2015 17:41:52 GMT -5
To be Fair I think WWE has done a Great Job with the Likes Of Seth Rollins and Kevin Owens.Seth Rollins Is indeed the top heel he Is The Man they made him a star.Seth this year has worked alone with the likes of Cena,Brock Lesnar and Now Sting.And regardless of how the finish is hes still indeed the man to beat for a reason.
Kevin Owens in just a few months being on the roster made such a Huge Impact his matches with Cena Alone were classics and with him going over Cena once theres no doubt in my mind he will eventually win the WWE title the timing right now isn't right because Seth Needs to be established more.And Now hes facing Ryback another Superstar who is over so you got something to look forward to because both men could use the rub.
Cena has done an amazing job holding the Us title He gave us a Sneak peak of whats to come in the future it's good hes taking a step back for awhile.
Then you have The likes of Neville who I see becoming really popular soon as the next rey mysterio type and the kids are gonna love him.Cesaro is on the rise and he just needs a little tweak in his character but he'll get there.And Of course Roman and Dean Ambrose will get there.
And on top of that you got a bunch of NXT Stars like Finn Balor,Apollo Crews,Hideo Itami,Sami Zayn.The Divas are better than ever and the Tag Team Divison is doing great the future looks good for WWE I don't see the problem at all.
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Post by Rule 30 on Sept 17, 2015 17:43:47 GMT -5
Barrett's reign was a total joke. He lost matches every other week. Harper was nothing more than a transitional champion. We consider wins/losses for a good reign? Jesus. Barrett looked terrible in his reign. A guy can't lose 80% of his matches and still be taken seriously as a champion.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2015 17:44:08 GMT -5
Barrett's reign was a total joke. He lost matches every other week. Harper was nothing more than a transitional champion. We consider wins/losses for a good reign? Jesus. Yes.. that's how wrestling works.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2015 17:45:07 GMT -5
Barrett's reign was a total joke. He lost matches every other week. Harper was nothing more than a transitional champion. We consider wins/losses for a good reign? Jesus. Barrett won like...two matches as IC Champion. The title was a joke when he was Champion, due in part to bad writing. Ryback had been hurt most of his run, it's not really fair to make an assessment yet.
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Post by tiny04 on Sept 17, 2015 17:48:20 GMT -5
We consider wins/losses for a good reign? Jesus. Yes.. that's how wrestling works. Not according to Nikki "wins and losses don't matter" Bella...
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Sept 17, 2015 17:48:53 GMT -5
Barrett's reign was a total joke. He lost matches every other week. Harper was nothing more than a transitional champion. We consider wins/losses for a good reign? Jesus. How are you judging a good reign? If we're using wins and losses, Harper and Barrett are horrible choices. If we're using performances, Barrett is a horrible choice. Harper had one good match, though his reign was short. If we're using elevating the title, Harper and Barrett are bad choices.
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