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Post by Devilkiller on Jul 1, 2014 15:23:30 GMT -5
Just wanting to try to get some discussion going.
What do you think about backyard wrestling?
Do you think it's "garbage wrestling" or do you think it can be exciting?.
I personally think it can be like a real wrestling company, just I may a backyard level.
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Post by juaumguterres on Jul 1, 2014 15:52:54 GMT -5
I saw a lot of backyard wrestling on youtube. There are some very bad, which seems to be child's play. But there are other very good with structure, ring, gimmicks, a lot of entertainment.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2014 21:16:27 GMT -5
Depends, the kids who are like 8-12 and are just having fun on a trampoline or in their houses are fine, a bit dangerous, but they often times aren't really hitting each other or whatever, so it's not that bad, it's just mindless fun trying to be like the guys they see on TV week after week. But obviously that's not what you're talking about.
So, let's address those. The first one is the one that I despise the most. You know, the group of kids that are completely untrained, are just wrestling around on grass or whatever hard surface, pulling off poorly executed moves and risking major injury in trying to emulate what they see on TV, without any sense of safety or common sense. Giving some poor kid a majorly botched suplex is just begging for disaster. Not to mention, these are usually the groups that are hitting each other with weapons, and not just like occasionally, but it's their crutch to try and be "internet stars" or whatever. Lighttubes, chairs, barbwire, etc, etc. You're already untrained and working on stiff surfaces, why add to it by beating each other senseless with blunt objects? That's just silly, unsafe, and stupid.
Then, we have the other groups. The kids who are "self trained", doing shows in actual rings or bases that are relatively safer than some sort of just hard surface. Those kids are actually pretty good, depending on which ones you watch. The only problems I have is that, because they aren't actually trained, they don't get a sense of psychology and how to really get the most out of their matches without killing themselves. Which I suppose is a silly gripe, they're just doing it for fun and to entertain each other. But, like, you can teach yourself how to bump, but you don't really get an understanding of the ins and outs of wrestling without going to a school. To me, it's like the indies in general, you can come up with all the cool spots you want, but it all starts to blend together. Not to mention, you run the risk of injury or long term damage when you're just trying to come up with crazy spots and go balls to the wall every time you get together with your friends. It may not seem like it, but taking tons of headdrops or doing lots of flips adds up and you're one move away from blowing out your knee or breaking your neck, especially if you do it all the time.
Secondly, not that it happens a lot, but if these kids ever make it onto an actual show, which has happened a few times, they don't understand anything beyond "lets' go out and make the 10 minutes we have EPIC!" which, in theory is okay. You do want to go out and impress, especially if this is your first time out there. But, it really takes away from the rest of the card if you're the opener and you and your little backyard pal are doing 1000 spots in a 6 minute match, rather than pacing yourself and having an good match, without killing the rest of the card.
If these kids really took some time to study the deeper aspects of pro wrestling, not just watch a few ROH shows and some puro and go "man I wanna do all those spots in my matches" and watched some old NWA and realize they can work the crowds, they can get more out of their matches, and really save the good stuff for when it really is needed, they'd be more entertaining to me. But again, moot point cause they're really just trying to make each other mark out and since they're doing just that, they're doing something right.
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Post by juaumguterres on Jul 3, 2014 16:10:08 GMT -5
Here, in Brazil, we have a very funny type of phenomenon. We call it "the expert". This is the kid who learns wrestling because of WWE and go to the internet to learn more about the industry. After discovering about TNA, ROH, Japanese, the kid hates WWE and loves the indy World. The third step is to film his play and post on the Internet, calling it backyard wrestling, but there is no backyard! The kid is playing on his bed, striking a plush doll or pillow and thinking he is the highest authority of the wrestling world. This is ridiculous!
I like when I see a group, in a backyard, some funny gimmicks, some accessories, good matches. If they do this inside a ring (even if fitted with sticks and nylon strings), even better! This is the backyard wrestling I love! There is a group on Australia, they are very professional! I don't remember the name, but they have a lot of videos on Youtube...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2014 18:33:49 GMT -5
I like seeing people almost kill eachother!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2014 20:26:33 GMT -5
Backyard wrestling is like the core of an apple. No matter how many times you drop the apple, the exterior will be bruised and non likeable but the core will always stay in tact.
The exterior of backyard wrestling is plagued by the hardcore death match scene that try to kill each other and blade themselves half to death. These are guys like The Lizard. They leave a very big sh*t stain on the sport of backyard wrestling.
Whereas the core of backyard wrestling is the technical practices, the maestros of moves and the practice of excelling execution. This is the good side of backyard wrestling. This is where guys like Focalin are the best.
Not only do they work on their craft, but they also engage into the storytelling of backyard wrestling. This is the group that should be showcased as backyard wrestling.
Instead, mainstream media focuses backyard wrestling as being the hardcore mess that only covers around one fourth of backyard wrestling. That's the bruising of this apple, it ultimately hurts this sport.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2014 7:28:42 GMT -5
Pretty cool. I used to do it with my brother. I jumped out of trees and for other high places. Fun stuff.
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Post by Matt El. on Jul 11, 2014 17:05:42 GMT -5
Depends, the kids who are like 8-12 and are just having fun on a trampoline or in their houses are fine, a bit dangerous, but they often times aren't really hitting each other or whatever, so it's not that bad, it's just mindless fun trying to be like the guys they see on TV week after week. But obviously that's not what you're talking about. So, let's address those. The first one is the one that I despise the most. You know, the group of kids that are completely untrained, are just wrestling around on grass or whatever hard surface, pulling off poorly executed moves and risking major injury in trying to emulate what they see on TV, without any sense of safety or common sense. Giving some poor kid a majorly botched suplex is just begging for disaster. Not to mention, these are usually the groups that are hitting each other with weapons, and not just like occasionally, but it's their crutch to try and be "internet stars" or whatever. Lighttubes, chairs, barbwire, etc, etc. You're already untrained and working on stiff surfaces, why add to it by beating each other senseless with blunt objects? That's just silly, unsafe, and stupid. This is exactly what happened to me when I was 8, my brothers friend suplexed me on the trampoline, landed on my arm and broke it. Man, some people think its nothing but fake, but sometimes the slightest botch can make a huge deal.
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Post by Devilkiller on Jul 11, 2014 17:17:44 GMT -5
Depends, the kids who are like 8-12 and are just having fun on a trampoline or in their houses are fine, a bit dangerous, but they often times aren't really hitting each other or whatever, so it's not that bad, it's just mindless fun trying to be like the guys they see on TV week after week. But obviously that's not what you're talking about. So, let's address those. The first one is the one that I despise the most. You know, the group of kids that are completely untrained, are just wrestling around on grass or whatever hard surface, pulling off poorly executed moves and risking major injury in trying to emulate what they see on TV, without any sense of safety or common sense. Giving some poor kid a majorly botched suplex is just begging for disaster. Not to mention, these are usually the groups that are hitting each other with weapons, and not just like occasionally, but it's their crutch to try and be "internet stars" or whatever. Lighttubes, chairs, barbwire, etc, etc. You're already untrained and working on stiff surfaces, why add to it by beating each other senseless with blunt objects? That's just silly, unsafe, and stupid. This is exactly what happened to me when I was 8, my brothers friend suplexed me on the trampoline, landed on my arm and broke it. Man, some people think its nothing but fake, but sometimes the slightest botch can make a huge deal. Damn. That sucks. It's true, going into training now I know for a fact, it's not fake, it's as real as it gets, it's just pre-determined.
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Post by Matt El. on Jul 11, 2014 17:36:25 GMT -5
This is exactly what happened to me when I was 8, my brothers friend suplexed me on the trampoline, landed on my arm and broke it. Man, some people think its nothing but fake, but sometimes the slightest botch can make a huge deal. Damn. That sucks. It's true, going into training now I know for a fact, it's not fake, it's as real as it gets, it's just pre-determined. That's awesome for you, I'm actually moving soon to attend a school myself, I can't wait, where do you train?
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Post by Devilkiller on Jul 11, 2014 18:43:11 GMT -5
Damn. That sucks. It's true, going into training now I know for a fact, it's not fake, it's as real as it gets, it's just pre-determined. That's awesome for you, I'm actually moving soon to attend a school myself, I can't wait, where do you train? Right now locally, I've actually been able to get on a few shows and already have my fair share of pro wrestling stories, but I plan on after working a few years with this guy I'm going to take a few months off to move to Pennsylvania for ROH training (the $3000 school) and then come back to the big Kentucky. What's your story man?
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Post by Matt El. on Jul 11, 2014 20:08:56 GMT -5
That's awesome for you, I'm actually moving soon to attend a school myself, I can't wait, where do you train? Right now locally, I've actually been able to get on a few shows and already have my fair share of pro wrestling stories, but I plan on after working a few years with this guy I'm going to take a few months off to move to Pennsylvania for ROH training (the $3000 school) and then come back to the big Kentucky. What's your story man? That's pretty sick! I'm planning on going to this school in Atlanta, I've read its one of the best in the country, so I really hope I can excel at wrestling and someday I hope to go to either Japan or Mexico to perfect my craft, but that would be pretty far in the future. To be honest, I'm very unsure of whether or not I'll be able to pick it up quickly or at all, but one thing I know for sure is I'll be involved in the business in some way, shape or form.
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Post by Devilkiller on Jul 11, 2014 23:13:46 GMT -5
Right now locally, I've actually been able to get on a few shows and already have my fair share of pro wrestling stories, but I plan on after working a few years with this guy I'm going to take a few months off to move to Pennsylvania for ROH training (the $3000 school) and then come back to the big Kentucky. What's your story man? That's pretty sick! I'm planning on going to this school in Atlanta, I've read its one of the best in the country, so I really hope I can excel at wrestling and someday I hope to go to either Japan or Mexico to perfect my craft, but that would be pretty far in the future. To be honest, I'm very unsure of whether or not I'll be able to pick it up quickly or at all, but one thing I know for sure is I'll be involved in the business in some way, shape or form. This is the best way I can explain wrestling. It's literally like riding a bike, once you do it once, it's stuck. Hell, if you need anything just PM me, promoter or wrestling wise.
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Post by Matt El. on Jul 11, 2014 23:25:22 GMT -5
That's pretty sick! I'm planning on going to this school in Atlanta, I've read its one of the best in the country, so I really hope I can excel at wrestling and someday I hope to go to either Japan or Mexico to perfect my craft, but that would be pretty far in the future. To be honest, I'm very unsure of whether or not I'll be able to pick it up quickly or at all, but one thing I know for sure is I'll be involved in the business in some way, shape or form. This is the best way I can explain wrestling. It's literally like riding a bike, once you do it once, it's stuck. Hell, if you need anything just PM me, promoter or wrestling wise. No ones ever put it like that, thats awesome. And thanks I really appreciate it, and of course theres a bunch of questions I have about a bunch of things, I'll PM you thanks again.
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Post by Charabro on Jul 12, 2014 0:02:25 GMT -5
I fell off a ladder once.
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Post by Devilkiller on Jul 12, 2014 1:31:45 GMT -5
This is the best way I can explain wrestling. It's literally like riding a bike, once you do it once, it's stuck. Hell, if you need anything just PM me, promoter or wrestling wise. No ones ever put it like that, thats awesome. And thanks I really appreciate it, and of course theres a bunch of questions I have about a bunch of things, I'll PM you thanks again. Yeah man no problem! Just trying to spread the passion for wrestling!
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Post by Devilkiller on Jul 12, 2014 1:31:55 GMT -5
I fell off a ladder once. That's a start!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 12:43:49 GMT -5
I hate to be a broken record, but since some of you aspire to go to a school, I can't encourage it enough. You learn so much from going to a school, not just the basics like bumping and hitting the ropes, but you learn about the deeper aspects. I was trained by the Samoans and while I'm far from perfect and really nothing special, I learned so much more about the wrestling industry, not just backstage etiquette or terminology, but how to truly get the most out of my work without really trying. How to have not just have a gimmick, but to understand it and make it work, so that you can get over more by your character and how you play yourself to the crowd, than just doing moves.
For example, this is a backyard four way, and again not trying to beat a dead horse, but 3 minutes in and one guy takes a suplex onto a picnic table, the other a famouser off the apron, this is 3 minutes into the match of a match that goes 15 minutes. And instead of those spots being midway points or stuff that can further the story, they're just spots to make their buddies mark out, which again, as I said earlier, is probably the point. But why not use those as major spots and get the most out of them? Not to mention that it just gets worse from there, guys are taking dangerous head drops on the dirt floor outside the ring, guys are trading stiff blows, and so much more, without making anything mean anything. They're so concerned with getting all the spots in, that most of the time it's just guys standing around to execute them, it looks horrible.
Then we get the roof top spot, which ends horribly. Is it cool in theory? Yeah, but since you've already tried to go balls to the walls at this point, it doesn't stand out, it's just another time stamp on the car crash that's unfolding. It ends with again, awkward standing around to prepare for the next spot and then the guy nearly breaks his neck on a barely connected shooting star press. The match pauses for a few minutes and he's clearly hurt. So what did he get from that?
Back in the ring it's more spots and more preparing for spots, and by this time you're just watching guys cramming moves into 15 minutes, with no real pacing, psychology, or anything to really make them stand out. And since this is probably early on the "card" it just means everyone else has to work twice as hard to not seem tame in comparison. So instead of having a simple 4 way match, with some simple spots, a few high spots to showcase everyone, and maybe a chaotic, but still sensible closing 3-5 minutes, we get a spotty, can you top this, cluster that ends up doing more harm than good.
Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should. You'll get more out of developing a character, solidifying the basics, working the crowd, and trying to tell a story in the ring, than just hitting moves and hoping they remember your name the next time you step through the curtain.
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Post by RBW on Jul 17, 2014 8:46:25 GMT -5
In terms of portraying a character, working the crowd, and telling a story, what is the best stuff to watch or learn from would you recomend?
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Post by Devilkiller on Jul 17, 2014 9:24:20 GMT -5
In terms of portraying a character, working the crowd, and telling a story, what is the best stuff to watch or learn from would you recomend? Backyard wise it's really hard. I think I do a fair job but then again that's my opinion, and I don't post many videos on YouTube. But if you want to work on character in general I would recommend Mankind, Cactus Jack, early Shawn Michaels, Vince McMahon from the Austin era, etc are all great characters and gimmicks. If you're looking for promo work then watch Stone Cold, Rock, Chris Jericho, Any Mick Foley face, CM Punk, Bray Wyatt, those are all good starts. If you ever need help I think I can shed SOME light on some things (I'm not the best in the world, but I've done live promos in character as well as recorded ones as well, so I have a little experience). Hope it helped!
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