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Post by Adam on Jun 23, 2015 18:30:54 GMT -5
Well, at least the draft is coming up
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Post by HHH316 on Jun 24, 2015 22:08:45 GMT -5
Well, at least the draft is coming up Yes, & we can track where the Cup will be all summer! It'll be great!
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Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on Jun 26, 2015 18:49:58 GMT -5
Our savior is coming. Or that's the idea anyways.
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Post by Adam on Jun 26, 2015 18:58:19 GMT -5
Flyers get Provorov, hell yeah.
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Post by HHH316 on Jun 26, 2015 21:03:47 GMT -5
Interesting trades today. Lucic to LA & O'Reilly to Buffalo.
I still think O'Reilly will be a star in this league. Bad move by the Avs.
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Post by Adam on Jun 26, 2015 21:17:22 GMT -5
Toronto keeps moving themselves further back, am I missing something?
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Post by punksnotdead on Jun 27, 2015 14:22:58 GMT -5
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Post by HHH316 on Jun 27, 2015 19:40:49 GMT -5
My plan is to do the same thing again this summer, & put it on a Christmas card. While I'm not shocked Antti Raanta got traded today, it makes my heart hurt. That kid is going to be great. But Darling stepping up big meant the writing was on the wall. My sister told me that when she goes to the upcoming Blackhawks convention, all his merchandise will be clearanced, so she said she'd get me a shirt, for the memory.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 17:17:09 GMT -5
Both Bieksa and Lack gone
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Post by Triple S on Jun 30, 2015 17:27:20 GMT -5
Hearing Saad is headed to Columbus.
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Post by punksnotdead on Jun 30, 2015 19:41:08 GMT -5
Hearing Saad is headed to Columbus. Yeah, a part of me died today... Haha. His offer sheets were coming in at 6-6.5m a year and the Hawks were trying to give him 3-4m. Didn't make sense for either side. Plus, I'm getting the impression Stan is in love with Amnisimov and seemingly pairing him with Paranin, which, we'll see. I absolutely hate the trade but Saad was going to get paid. He's looking at 6 and at least 6m per and then another fat contract at 28, so maybe he comes back someday. I just don't like that the Hawks seemingly made a lateral move in regards to cap space, and they got worse, at least for the immediate future. Maybe I'll feel differently after a year of Dano development. Regardless, the Hawks had guys they liked and had to make a move if they were going to be outbid on Saad. Saad will continue to be one of my absolute favorite guys in the league to watch no matter what team he's on. Also, congrats to the HOF guys, particularly Federov and Lindstrom, who I have nothing but respect for and it was a pleasure to get to see both play so many times.
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Post by Triple S on Jun 30, 2015 21:43:21 GMT -5
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Post by HHH316 on Jun 30, 2015 22:24:10 GMT -5
I'm trying very hard to keep my composure with this Saad trade.
The irrational Hawks fan in me is wanting to know how you can't make this work, knowing full well Sharp is gone, & likely Bickell.
But I see the bigger picture. The core is still together. Bowman has been here before.
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Post by punksnotdead on Jul 1, 2015 9:08:19 GMT -5
I'm trying very hard to keep my composure with this Saad trade. The irrational Hawks fan in me is wanting to know how you can't make this work, knowing full well Sharp is gone, & likely Bickell. But I see the bigger picture. The core is still together. Bowman has been here before. You have every right to be upset. Here's the thing, it should have worked, and we shouldn't have landed in this situation. Sharp should have been gone already. Everyone kind of said their goodbyes with him around the trade deadline and then Kane got hurt and he got a free Stanley Cup run, which he struggled through for the most part. Great player, but he's declining in skill and is no longer a top 6 on the Hawks. Which WAS fine, under the assumption that we had Saad-Toews-Hossa and then potentially Kane-Richards(?)-Versteeg both back. You lose no production because your top 6 doesn't change and we were all under the impression Saad and Richards would be retainable. The rumored return Stan wanted on Sharp around draft time was apparently absurd. Sharp should have been traded last Friday night imo. Now, we're in this really weird limbo where you have all these young kids, no top line, and Hossa isn't getting any younger. Q HATES playing rookies. Flat out. He's a veteran guy. He likes guys who make as many mistake free, hockey smart, plays as possible. In other words, he'll take a smart veteran player over a green young guy with skill almost every time, see Handzus, Rozsival and how he handled Teuvo for most of the year. The lone exception to this rule was Brandon Saad, and that's because Saad is a 22 year old version of an emerging Marian Hossa style player. His two-way play is going to be that good in the next 2-3 years and he's already posting insane corsi numbers for a guy his age. To build on that point, Stan and Q apparently hate each other. This really isn't a secret, but worth pointing out. They don't share ideology in terms of what kind of players should be on the team. I also still think Stan is attempting to be his own man outside of his father's shadow, which is impossible. I personally still think he's getting a pass from a ton of fans who know that Scotty is still looking over his shoulder. This "in Stan we trust" stuff is idiotic though. This is the guy who gave Crow 6 million a year, Bickell 4 million a year (seemingly rendering him untradeable this year), and who "sured up" the defense with Kimmo Timonen, which, thankfully Dunc is a robot and Hammer had his best post season yet. Kane, Toews, Dunc, Seabs, Hossa, Hammer, those are ALL Dale Tallon guys, all of them. Oduya is gone. Vermette is gone. Kruger might not get to stay, even the 4th line players are looking at raises and they just lost Saad on the PK. Brad Richards might not get to stay. Seabrook has a year left on his deal and he's been in trade talks to Vancouver for 2 years now. Raanta is gone, rendering any conversations about moving Crow useless, unfortunately. And Versteeg likely has to stay now because his cap hit is reasonable based on the production the Hawks have lost or are about to lose. Artem Anisimov is a 3rd line center. No questions asked. He's not a top 6 player and he's not going to play next to Kane. He's 27 and we know he'll be around a 40 point guy. It's going to be Panarin and Anisimov on a line together. It probably doesn't matter who plays with them but right now it could be Teuvo or Versteeg, that obviously changes if/when Sharp is traded or if they decide to put Teuvo in the middle on the Kane line. Regardless, he's a role player and he's not going to be anything to fall in love with at this point in his career. Marko Dano is the wildcard. First round pick who made a good run at the end of the season when the Jackets were the hottest team in hockey. He's a total finesse player though. So Teuvo, Kane, Panarin, and Dano will all be playing a similar game. This is largely the problem I have with the way this team is built. Really high offensive ceiling, no account for two-way play. Tuevo is, by far, going to be the most defensively responsible of the group but he's still suffering through lots of growing pains in that regard and he's only 180 pounds, where as Saad was 6'1 and 205 pounds of all ManChild, and he was strong as with the puck, Hossa and Toews strong with the puck. There is absolutely nothing to like about this situation imo. I'm not buying the Blackhawks media spin on Dano being this great young hope of the franchise and I'm not buying into losing Saad as anything close to when the Hawks lost guys in 2010 and 2013. I miss Big Buff, I miss Andrew Ladd, hell I miss Frolik who I think is one of the best bottom 6/PK guys in hockey, but none of those loses are going to prove as big a loss as Saad. He should have been considered apart of the Blackhawks core. 6 years from now, Saad at 6-6.5m is going to seem like a steal. He's 22 years old and I can't stress that enough. Ultimately, it's spilt milk. 3 Cups in 6 years, nothing to complain about, but when you see the word Dynasty, you want that to continue, and ideally you'd like to see them win back-to-back after missing out on what was almost 3 in a row. The offseason just started. There are still tons of moves to be made, but this is my least favorite trade since Roenick went to Phoenix for a first round pick I promise you don't remember, essentially the start of dismantling what was the core of that 90s team, so the team I grew up with when I started going to hockey games. The difference here is that Keith, Toews, and Kane are still there and at the end of the day they're world class talent and worth every penny of what they're being paid, but guys like Saad, Hammer and Seabs are the difference between winning Cups and competing for them. I'm going to be pissed/upset about this for awhile. It's not going to impact my love for the Hawks, or even really worry me too much longterm, specifically by the 2016 season when there will be some cap flexibility, but I think this was a mistake, a pretty damn big one if I'm honest. Saad deserved to get paid, and I hope he has a ton of success in Columbus. I know I'll go out and see him play next season and beyond, and I hope the Hawks can plug the holes this offseason, there are lots of them right now. That's my rant on Saad. If you've gotten this far, thanks for letting me vent... haha.
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Post by punksnotdead on Jul 1, 2015 12:49:36 GMT -5
How are we feeling about that Phil Kessel trade... Maybe LLLBD can say otherwise, but isn't Pitt's biggest issue defense? Even at almost 7m, how is Pitt fitting this under their cap? Pretty wild imo.
In the mean time, Scotty Bowman is having his son rebuild the the mid 90s Red Wings... The Hawks officially have a Red Army line. They absolutely have to trade Sharp now. They're over the cap.
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Post by bad guy™ on Jul 1, 2015 13:10:34 GMT -5
How are we feeling about that Phil Kessel trade... Maybe LLLBD can say otherwise, but isn't Pitt's biggest issue defense? Even at almost 7m, how is Pitt fitting this under their cap? Pretty wild imo. In the mean time, Scotty Bowman is having his son rebuild the the mid 90s Red Wings... The Hawks officially have a Red Army line. They absolutely have to trade Sharp now. They're over the cap. Part of the Pens problems were defense, but we were starting AHL guys all season with Martin, Letang, Maata, Lovejoy (post trade), Depres (pre trade), Harrington (post call up) and Ehrhoff all suffering half season/full season/season ending injuries. Tack on Maata's cancer with his injury, it's not been a great time to be a defenseman for the Pens. Of course the D is going to suck when five of the six on your team at any given time are out with injury. That being said, we just lost Harrington, and are likely not to keep Martin and Ehrhoff. Maata's slow healing and Letang is good for maybe thirty games a season. So yeah. We REALLY do need defenseman. But the Pens always manage to fit under the cap. Herein lies the problem. Crosby, Malkin, Fleury, Kessel...four of the top 20 players in the NHL on one team...we're going to be fielding a portion of the All Star players but the supporting cast will literally be a 36 year old Pascal Dupuis coming off of a life threatening blood clot, a 33 year old not that good Chris Kunitz, the Band Aid Brigade starting at D and, well, that's about it. Pretty sure the phone call I just didn't answer was Rutherford calling me, asking me to play third line wing. Not even fourth. Third. That's saying something.
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Post by punksnotdead on Jul 1, 2015 13:31:27 GMT -5
How are we feeling about that Phil Kessel trade... Maybe LLLBD can say otherwise, but isn't Pitt's biggest issue defense? Even at almost 7m, how is Pitt fitting this under their cap? Pretty wild imo. In the mean time, Scotty Bowman is having his son rebuild the the mid 90s Red Wings... The Hawks officially have a Red Army line. They absolutely have to trade Sharp now. They're over the cap. Part of the Pens problems were defense, but we were starting AHL guys all season with Martin, Letang, Maata, Lovejoy (post trade), Depres (pre trade), Harrington (post call up) and Ehrhoff all suffering half season/full season/season ending injuries. Tack on Maata's cancer with his injury, it's not been a great time to be a defenseman for the Pens. Of course the D is going to suck when five of the six on your team at any given time are out with injury. That being said, we just lost Harrington, and are likely not to keep Martin and Ehrhoff. Maata's slow healing and Letang is good for maybe thirty games a season. So yeah. We REALLY do need defenseman. But the Pens always manage to fit under the cap. Herein lies the problem. Crosby, Malkin, Fleury, Kessel...four of the top 20 players in the NHL on one team...we're going to be fielding a portion of the All Star players but the supporting cast will literally be a 36 year old Pascal Dupuis coming off of a life threatening blood clot, a 33 year old not that good Chris Kunitz, the Band Aid Brigade starting at D and, well, that's about it. Pretty sure the phone call I just didn't answer was Rutherford calling me, asking me to play third line wing. Not even fourth. Third. That's saying something. Yeah, that's about what I figured. I actually think the Hawks have Ehrhoff on their radar, seemingly interest on both sides.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 14:41:59 GMT -5
The Canucks have somehow managed to get significantly worse this off season. Benning. Do better. That is all.
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Post by bad guy™ on Jul 1, 2015 15:14:48 GMT -5
The Canucks have somehow managed to get significantly worse this off season. Benning. Do better. That is all. You're a Canucks fan. You should be used to disappointment. I mean really. I'm a Pens fan and we just landed Phil Mother ing Kessel to play with Crosby and Malkin, two of the four best players in the NHL. And we'll still manage to get bumped in the first round, if we even manage to make the playoffs. I mean we fielded one of the best teams we have had since we won the Cup and it took the last day of the season and the luck of facing the God awful Sabres on the last day of the season to get in, and we barely won that game with a couple of minutes left. Get used to it.
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Post by bad guy™ on Jul 1, 2015 15:18:34 GMT -5
Part of the Pens problems were defense, but we were starting AHL guys all season with Martin, Letang, Maata, Lovejoy (post trade), Depres (pre trade), Harrington (post call up) and Ehrhoff all suffering half season/full season/season ending injuries. Tack on Maata's cancer with his injury, it's not been a great time to be a defenseman for the Pens. Of course the D is going to suck when five of the six on your team at any given time are out with injury. That being said, we just lost Harrington, and are likely not to keep Martin and Ehrhoff. Maata's slow healing and Letang is good for maybe thirty games a season. So yeah. We REALLY do need defenseman. But the Pens always manage to fit under the cap. Herein lies the problem. Crosby, Malkin, Fleury, Kessel...four of the top 20 players in the NHL on one team...we're going to be fielding a portion of the All Star players but the supporting cast will literally be a 36 year old Pascal Dupuis coming off of a life threatening blood clot, a 33 year old not that good Chris Kunitz, the Band Aid Brigade starting at D and, well, that's about it. Pretty sure the phone call I just didn't answer was Rutherford calling me, asking me to play third line wing. Not even fourth. Third. That's saying something. Yeah, that's about what I figured. I actually think the Hawks have Ehrhoff on their radar, seemingly interest on both sides. Good on him. Like the kid. He won defensive MVP in my NHL 15 game and I tweeted a pic of him with the trophy and he retweeted with some "Is this real life or just a fantasy" kind of quote. For that alone, I hope he lands somewhere he can play and see success.
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