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Post by bad guy™ on Jun 29, 2014 11:47:04 GMT -5
And who in the hell does Jason Kidd think he is wanting complete control of a team??? Jason Kidd.
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Post by Quanthor on Jun 29, 2014 13:36:45 GMT -5
I think the Heat's "big 3" are just trying to get their ducks in a row prior to free agency beginning. They want to get everything settled early so they can start making a run at some players. Pretty sure they don't sign Melo and I have serious doubts about Lowry too. Gortat or Hawes I think is more likely. Beyond that they need to change up their game plan too. The two man game with Wade and LeBron only works if both guys are playing at a high level.
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Post by bad guy™ on Jun 29, 2014 13:47:02 GMT -5
I think the Heat's "big 3" are just trying to get their ducks in a row prior to free agency beginning. They want to get everything settled early so they can start making a run at some players. Pretty sure they don't sign Melo and I have serious doubts about Lowry too. Gortat or Hawes I think is more likely. Beyond that they need to change up their game plan too. The two man game with Wade and LeBron only works if both guys are playing at a high level. Which with Wade's knees is questionable. I still stand by Wade retiring within two or three years. They are just in terrible shape. Shame.
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Post by johnnyb on Jul 1, 2014 18:53:28 GMT -5
LOL at Wade getting four fully-guaranteed years, and more per year than Bosh, who's a much better and more valuable player at this point.
Miami looks to have about $12M in cap space after re-signing the big three... enough to get one impact free agent but not a difference-making point guard or center. So they're going to be exactly where they were last season, except with more guaranteed years on the deals. Ha.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 15:32:28 GMT -5
LOL at Wade getting four fully-guaranteed years, and more per year than Bosh, who's a much better and more valuable player at this point. Miami looks to have about $12M in cap space after re-signing the big three... enough to get one impact free agent but not a difference-making point guard or center. So they're going to be exactly where they were last season, except with more guaranteed years on the deals. Ha. I wouldn't laugh yet, trust me Riley has a trick up his sleeve. Just when you think the heat won't get a name they will. Gasol, Lowry, melo could all still go there.
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Post by johnnyb on Jul 2, 2014 16:02:27 GMT -5
LOL at Wade getting four fully-guaranteed years, and more per year than Bosh, who's a much better and more valuable player at this point. Miami looks to have about $12M in cap space after re-signing the big three... enough to get one impact free agent but not a difference-making point guard or center. So they're going to be exactly where they were last season, except with more guaranteed years on the deals. Ha. I wouldn't laugh yet, trust me Riley has a trick up his sleeve. Just when you think the heat won't get a name they will. Gasol, Lowry, melo could all still go there. Yeah, if you honestly believe that Melo/Gasol/Lowry will SPLIT $12M a year. I think all three of those guys get more on the open market.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 16:14:18 GMT -5
I wouldn't laugh yet, trust me Riley has a trick up his sleeve. Just when you think the heat won't get a name they will. Gasol, Lowry, melo could all still go there. Yeah, if you honestly believe that Melo/Gasol/Lowry will SPLIT $12M a year. I think all three of those guys get more on the open market. not all 3 but I think 1 or 2 of them could end up there. Maybe even ariza goes there with pau or Lowry.
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Post by Tim of thee on Jul 2, 2014 18:06:40 GMT -5
I think there's a definite media bias against the Lakers this off season. Nobody's even mentioning their name with Carmelo's even though they are meeting tomorrow.
It seems like they all say the same thing regarding where he's gonna land. "such and such is the best place".
What makes Houston/Chicago/Dallas/New York's chances better? All those teams have to make serious moves to make enough money to pay him which means depleting their rosters a crap ton.
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Post by jdfranchise on Jul 2, 2014 19:08:01 GMT -5
I'm not a big Melo or LeBron fan, but everything I've seen an read so far indicates my Suns are looking to make an agressive move toward some of the big free agents, with the mention of Lebron an Melo. They have enough cap room to offer max contracts to two big name guys and team that is still together than won 48 games last year. Thats an interesting situation because our cap room makes it hard to count out when it comes to acquiring a big name. And the Suns' medical staff has done a good job recently of extending the careers of vets who looked to worn down (Nash, Vince Carter, Grant Hill) so all in all, we're gonna sign one or two big names. LeBron and Melo are the first choices obviously, but I'd personally like to see us bring in Kevin Love and Deng. Deng won't ask for a max contract I dont believe, then we can lock down Dragic long term. We will improve this off-season.
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Post by Justin on Jul 2, 2014 19:16:32 GMT -5
I think there's a definite media bias against the Lakers this off season. Nobody's even mentioning their name with Carmelo's even though they are meeting tomorrow. It seems like they all say the same thing regarding where he's gonna land. "such and such is the best place". What makes Houston/Chicago/Dallas/New York's chances better? All those teams have to make serious moves to make enough money to pay him which means depleting their rosters a crap ton. New York can offer him the most money, he's from NY and they did win 50+ games 2 years ago. Then add in the phill Jackson factor, I think he stays in New York. I would much rather see him come and play with Rondo on the Celtics lol
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Post by LA Times on Jul 2, 2014 19:51:40 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 20:03:41 GMT -5
wow, it just shows how badly these guys want these people. I kinda hope he doesn't go there now just cause it would be funny.
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Post by jdfranchise on Jul 2, 2014 21:19:42 GMT -5
I understand these front offices are placed under a large deal pressure from the owners, media, and fans to bring marquee players in for the pursuit of a championship, but Houston might have created another distraction on their hands by sh*ting on Jeremy Lin. Sure you know what you get with Lin, which is a young guard who does have a tendency to turn the ball over a little more than what is comfortable. But Lin also plays hard and if I'm not mistaken, Houston courted him something nice when he came to town. Fickle business. Not saying that Harden, Melo, and Howard isn't an enticing combination, but they would be wise to remember who has helped them get to the playoffs. And just like we know what we're getting with Lin, we know what we're getting with Melo, other than his scoring average.
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Post by johnnyb on Jul 2, 2014 22:31:37 GMT -5
Yeah, if you honestly believe that Melo/Gasol/Lowry will SPLIT $12M a year. I think all three of those guys get more on the open market. not all 3 but I think 1 or 2 of them could end up there. Maybe even ariza goes there with pau or Lowry. If the Heat add all of the Big 3, they'll have room for maybe one more impact player of the Ariza/Gasol/Thomas ilk.... but from the sounds of it, LeBron wants the max, Bosh wants $16-18M per year, and if they both get that, Wade probably gets $13M+ per year and that about does it for the Heat's cap space. I think there's a definite media bias against the Lakers this off season. Nobody's even mentioning their name with Carmelo's even though they are meeting tomorrow. It seems like they all say the same thing regarding where he's gonna land. "such and such is the best place". What makes Houston/Chicago/Dallas/New York's chances better? All those teams have to make serious moves to make enough money to pay him which means depleting their rosters a crap ton. For one thing, all of those teams actually have coaches. For another, Kobe's contract became an albatross the day he signed it. No amount of salary cap maneuvering (short of them using the stretch waiver provision on Kobe's contract) would allow them to sign two max free agents. It's a case of a star player getting his big payday and immediately getting upset that they can't put a great team around him. And honestly, as great as Kobe's career has been, free agents have never exactly lined up to play next to him. Lakers are best off bringing Pau back, signing spare parts guys for two-year deals, and rebuilding wholesale in two years. The Kobe championship chase era is over.
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Post by Tim of thee on Jul 2, 2014 23:16:43 GMT -5
there are only two teams that could sign him out right at this moment and they are the Knicks (max 5 yrs) and Lakers..
the other teams have a crapload of moves to make to even create just enough money to sign him
honestly, I don't see him leaving for the Rockets, Mavericks, or even the Bulls (but more so than the aforementioned 2)..
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Post by T R W on Jul 3, 2014 7:09:01 GMT -5
The idea of Kobe and Melo playing together just seems like a total nightmare. I don't see them meshing together at all.
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Post by johnnyb on Jul 3, 2014 7:12:37 GMT -5
there are only two teams that could sign him out right at this moment and they are the Knicks (max 5 yrs) and Lakers.. the other teams have a crapload of moves to make to even create just enough money to sign himhonestly, I don't see him leaving for the Rockets, Mavericks, or even the Bulls (but more so than the aforementioned 2).. Besides he Lakes and Knicks, there are about 10 teams that are one trade away from having enough space. By the way, it sounds like the meeting in Dallas didn't go well (lasted less than two hours) and that the Bulls are resigned to moving on (as they've initiated talks with Gasol, who would be nearly impossible to afford if Melo took the max or near-max contract). Right now I think he's about 95% likely to re-sign with the Knicks, with the Rockets being a distant second.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jul 3, 2014 17:12:57 GMT -5
I live in Ohio (though I'm not a Cavs fan) and it seems like they might be offering a max deal to Gordon Hayward. Now, I love Hayward (my favorite college team is Butler) but he's not a max guy. This would also take them out of the "LeBron Sweepstakes" but would give them three guys in Hayward, Kyrie Irving and Andrew Wiggins, to build around who are all under 25.
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Post by Quanthor on Jul 3, 2014 19:16:17 GMT -5
I love Kyle Lowry but I don't know if I love him @ 48 million. Raps probably feeling they had to overpay a bit to keep him and they did succeed in doing so!
I just want LeBron and Melo to hurry up and sign, that way all the other guys will start to fall into place.
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Post by K Dot on Jul 4, 2014 1:26:48 GMT -5
I love Kyle Lowry but I don't know if I love him @ 48 million. Raps probably feeling they had to overpay a bit to keep him and they did succeed in doing so! I just want LeBron and Melo to hurry up and sign, that was all the other guys will start to fall into place. I think you nailed it. They had to pay him the big money or they would've lost him to someone else. I think it's a good deal for them in the long term. He WAS the best player last year for them and the Raps badly needed him to return. They can contend if they can sign another consistent scorer on the wing because Derozan and Ross aren't too dependable down the stretch. Pretty crazy that the Lakers offered Melo a max contract already without even talking to LBJ.
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