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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2013 16:25:47 GMT -5
I am brand new to this so forgive me if this is repeating a subject. What happened to the Matty Collector exclusive figs? I absolutely loved the Rockers, Andre, Bundy, Tully & Arn, And DDP. I thought for sure they would keep releasing figures through here. This should have been the home for figures who would warm the shelves across the nation, but collectors would die for
Magnum TA Nick Bockwinkel Bobby Heenan Scott Hall X PAC Doink Big John Studd Harley Race Bruno Sammartino (his Jakks figure never sold where I live) Killer B's tag team Harlem Heat tag team A non polka dotted Dusty
They could even put people on the current roster that aren't mainstream available online exclusively
They did away with Legends at retail, but it will take years and years with one flashback figure per series to get down the list of people that collectors are clamping for (I know there are lots more and lots better names than I put but those just came off the top of my head)
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jun 22, 2013 16:33:31 GMT -5
They warmed the shelves of the MattyCollector warehouse too, so they cancelled them. The Elite Flashbacks have been the only successful way of getting classic figures out.
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Post by East Coast on Jun 22, 2013 16:36:36 GMT -5
nobody bought Legends. Nobody bought Matty Legends.
but Mattel figured out that we were buying up every figure in the normal elite collection......so they shoved them in there. And that is where they shall remain
also Bruno Sammartino will be out at the end of the year
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Post by qdogg on Jun 22, 2013 16:39:27 GMT -5
I am fortunate enough to own the MattyCollector figures though I dont have the old school belts that came with the Busters and dont have the white mailer boxes that came with Andre or DDP but I can tell you expect to pay a pretty penny for these ones now!
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Post by slappy on Jun 22, 2013 16:42:51 GMT -5
If Matty Legends weren't selling then why did they have to cancel so many orders? That part confuses me.
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Jun 22, 2013 16:43:36 GMT -5
They didn't sell well enough by Matty's standards(evidenced by the fact some of them are still available when most of their figs sell out right away) so they ended it rather abruptly, removing Miss Elizabeth (the final figure) from the 2012 Legends line and moving her into the Elite Flashback line, which now also sells a limited run through MattyCollector every two months, but they are just the same figures that are in the Elite line. For instance, E20 Christian was the one for May. Honky Tonk Man will be the one for July, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2013 17:06:31 GMT -5
I guess it just makes me sick to see every other series basic or Elite full of Cena, Orton, and Rey, when they have soooo many options from WWF and WCW. I don't care if they are basic or Elites, they need to throw some new (old)names in there Since they started flashbacks we've gotten 12 - Kane (Great) Papa Shango (Great) 13 - Edge (I think they could've used a better old school name) saved Edge for a Christian / Edge 2 pack down the line or Brood special or something 14 - Bossman (Awesome figure), King Booker (pass for me) 15 - Yokozuna (great figure BUT by the time Fuji ever is ready to come out Mattel won't have the license at this rate) 16 - Diesel / Nash (loved these) 17 - Mankind (awesome) 18 - Lawler (great (I guess) I would have chosen another look BUT ill take whatever they give Bad Ass Taker (loved it) 19 - Elizabeth (Great to have her with Macho I guess) HBK - (great I guess but I think they could have passed on this one) 20 - Christian (Pass for me personally) 21 - Honkey Tonk Man (love it) 22 - The Giant (Really!?) The NWO Giant is the last thing I want to buy 23 - VERY interested to see this series I hope JBL, Taker, HHH, and Cena along with Macho are flashback type)
Anyway my point is as you can see Mattel is afraid to get away from any mainstream names for Legends/Flashback. (The most obscure flashback they've done is Papa Shango, but he looks so cool kids bought him anyway)
I love Mattel WWE figures, but I loved what Jakks did including LOTS of different stars throughout the lines. Mattel is all about realism and obviously thinks about the collector while making the figures, I wish they would think about the collector while doing lineups.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jun 22, 2013 17:18:08 GMT -5
Mattel is not a charity for the few hundred hardcore wrestling fans who like dolls of their childhood wrestlers. The people on the WWE team at Mattel try to do what they can for us and they hope we're happy, but there aren't enough of us to make a doll profitable so they can't make lineups just for us. They're a business. They have to appeal to the wider market, and the wider market for Legends isn't there like it was in the Jakks days. The economy's different, the figure prices are different, and the fad has just ended.
Filling the Flashbacks with obscure names just because three guys on a messageboard want them would be a surefire way for the Flashbacks to be a failure and then they'd get cancelled too and we'd have no classic figures from Mattel at all.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2013 17:23:36 GMT -5
Personally, the question of "Why didnt they sell" (MDT Exclusives) , Well for starters the 30.00 shipped price tag was one reason, the other, being the ones they were selling.. No kids want DDP, Arn, Tully, Bundy, hell even Andre.. If they would throw a 16.99 price tag on them , i guarentee u they wouldve sold out sooner rather than later. Im kinda glad now i didnt cough up the money seeing how i never really was sold on any of them , except for maybe the Brainbusters. Andre shoudlve been a normal retail release , as well as Bundy. Just my 2cents.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jun 22, 2013 17:32:49 GMT -5
Personally, the question of "Why didnt they sell" (MDT Exclusives) , Well for starters the 30.00 shipped price tag was one reason, the other, being the ones they were selling.. No kids want DDP, Arn, Tully, Bundy, hell even Andre.. If they would throw a 16.99 price tag on them , i guarentee u they wouldve sold out sooner rather than later. Im kinda glad now i didnt cough up the money seeing how i never really was sold on any of them , except for maybe the Brainbusters. Andre shoudlve been a normal retail release , as well as Bundy. Just my 2cents. Selling them online meant smaller quantities = smaller production runs = higher cost per figure. They couldn't just magically make them 16.99, especially with shipping. We all knew that going in. After the Legends line failed at retail, it was always going to have a higher price when it went online-only. The gamble for Mattel was "People in general don't want these figures, but will the hardcore collectors want them enough that it can work as an online item?" And the gamble didn't pay off.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2013 17:34:37 GMT -5
Personally, the question of "Why didnt they sell" (MDT Exclusives) , Well for starters the 30.00 shipped price tag was one reason, the other, being the ones they were selling.. No kids want DDP, Arn, Tully, Bundy, hell even Andre.. If they would throw a 16.99 price tag on them , i guarentee u they wouldve sold out sooner rather than later. Im kinda glad now i didnt cough up the money seeing how i never really was sold on any of them , except for maybe the Brainbusters. Andre shoudlve been a normal retail release , as well as Bundy. Just my 2cents. Selling them online meant smaller quantities = smaller production runs = higher cost per figure. They couldn't just magically make them 16.99, especially with shipping. We all knew that going in. After the Legends line failed at retail, it was always going to have a higher price when it went online-only. The gamble for Mattel was "People in general don't want these figures, but will the hardcore collectors want them enough that it can work as an online item?" And the gamble didn't pay off. yea i know that..lol. i was talking from a consumer standpoint. not mattels standpoint. But i agree with u about the gamble not paying off. Again though that goes back to the price and etc...
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Post by East Coast on Jun 22, 2013 17:40:18 GMT -5
legends were like 3 bux at one point.....and still nobody bought them.
i wasn't around when Jakks was selling classic figures. But whoever was buying those figures..........they aren't around anymore.
that customer base is gone.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jun 22, 2013 17:40:58 GMT -5
yea i know that..lol. i was talking from a consumer standpoint. not mattels standpoint. But i agree with u about the gamble not paying off. Again though that goes back to the price and etc... Well yeah, there were numerous reasons the gamble didn't pay off, and the price is one of them, but the price was never something that could've been different when they moved to an online-only distribution. Character selection, outfits, accessories, etc could have been different, but the price had to be what it was. If they made the exact same figures cheaper and didn't charge us for shipping, they'd have sold more figures, but they'd have lost money by doing that and would've still had to cancel it. legends were like 3 bux at one point.....and still nobody bought them. Yeah, that's a pretty big condemnation of the line, when it gets moved to discount stores for a fraction of what it originally retailed at and it's still not flying off shelves.
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Post by East Coast on Jun 22, 2013 17:45:13 GMT -5
those dang He-Man figures sell out in like 5 mins.
and they throw in some obscure figures...that even I don't remember from the cartoon. And i loved that show
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2013 17:56:02 GMT -5
I agree with all of your points and I understand the business side and all of that BUT Mattel is NOT going to be as profitable making the same figs over and over and over again and have them sit on the shelf I'm in North Carolina and I swear you can go anywhere and find Elite 9 Ortons, Best of 11 Elite Ortons, every Elite Orton since then, any kind or color Rey Mysterio, any John Cena since Elite 11 you can find. What I mean is they have got to put some variety out there. Kids and kids parents aren't that stupid. They aren't going to pay $20 for a John Cena that just has a diff colored shirt on. They may however let there kid get a different cool looking figure like say Earthquake, DX, or other names from the past that parents may have heard of. I don't know. Like I said I love Mattel figures I just wish there was a way to get some more and different names out there
I understand that they aren't making figs based on us 3 or 4 people on the message board, BUT I GUARANTEE you if they limited some of the more obscure legends to Marty site and only made 750 - 1,000 of them and they had to charge $30-40 for each one, they would sell them eventually Because us hardcore collectors wouldn't be able to resist NOT having them on our displays. Just my thoughts
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Post by slappy on Jun 22, 2013 17:59:57 GMT -5
I'd just be happy if they put a camo Slaughter in the Flashback line or even make it an exclusive and give it a bunch of accessories.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2013 18:06:36 GMT -5
If love to see a heel Slaughter one day
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Post by Chewdeezy on Jun 22, 2013 18:11:58 GMT -5
I agree with all of your points and I understand the business side and all of that BUT Mattel is NOT going to be as profitable making the same figs over and over and over again and have them sit on the shelf I'm in North Carolina and I swear you can go anywhere and find Elite 9 Ortons, Best of 11 Elite Ortons, every Elite Orton since then, any kind or color Rey Mysterio, any John Cena since Elite 11 you can find. What I mean is they have got to put some variety out there. Kids and kids parents aren't that stupid. They aren't going to pay $20 for a John Cena that just has a diff colored shirt on. They may however let there kid get a different cool looking figure like say Earthquake, DX, or other names from the past that parents may have heard of. I don't know. Like I said I love Mattel figures I just wish there was a way to get some more and different names out there I understand that they aren't making figs based on us 3 or 4 people on the message board, BUT I GUARANTEE you if they limited some of the more obscure legends to Marty site and only made 750 - 1,000 of them and they had to charge $30-40 for each one, they would sell them eventually Because us hardcore collectors wouldn't be able to resist NOT having them on our displays. Just my thoughts Legends didn't sell at retail so they were on Matty and it took months to sell out. Corporate Mattel view this as failure but Flashbacks are doing fine and selling out and avoiding marking figures at clearance for $3. The current Cena, Orton and Mysterio will still sell better than Funk, Steamboat & Dusty from the Legend series. I wished we were getting more Legends but it ain' happening anytime soon.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jun 22, 2013 18:13:12 GMT -5
They aren't going to pay $20 for a John Cena that just has a diff colored shirt on. They may however let there kid get a different cool looking figure like say Earthquake, DX, or other names from the past that parents may have heard of. Kids are almost always going to want a John Cena in a new shirt before some fat guy they've never heard of from twenty or thirty years ago. Plus there are new kids getting their first wrestling doll all the time, who never had Elite 11 or 14 or 17 Cena but walk into a store and see Elite 20 Cena with a ladder and the Money in the Bank case and it's the greatest thing they've ever seen. Mattel has to sell minimum 5000 units of a figure to make a profit. To make a profit from selling 750-1000 figures, they'd have to charge around $90 a figure. Add ten for shipping and you're looking at $100 each for a standard elite style figure. I don't think there are 1000 of us who would pay that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2013 18:20:54 GMT -5
I know I am just a JOBBER but I mean how big a failure where the Matty only legends? They are all sold out and most have been for quite a while. I do understand what all of you mean about the original retail legends failing, but also there was a lot of figures hitting all within the same time frame then too
You can't tell me if those same Legends figs were released now with Mattel WWEs cult following they would fly off the shelves
Demolition Road Warriors Mr Perfect Vader Stone Cold Rock Macho Man Ultimate Warrior Bam Bam I'm sure there are others but those were some of the coolest figures that have been made. I honestly think with it being new in 2010 and you had Entrance Greats, Elites (that people were still trying to get used to the $16-$20 price tag, all the basics, 2 packs, Defining Moments, Legends. I think it was too much in a short period of time. I really do think they would sell quickly if released now. I saw the post above about people not buying Andre the Giant too. I say that is completely wrong. He could be released over and over in different series and I bet he would sell great
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