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Post by East Coast on Jun 7, 2013 5:38:49 GMT -5
Flashbacks in 2012 King Booker (elite 14) Big Boss Man (elite 14) Yokozuna (elite 15) Diesel (elite 16) Kevin Nash (elite 16) Mankind (elite 17) Undertaker (elite 18) Jerry Lawler (elite 18) HBK (elite 19) Elizabeth (elite 19) Bret Hart (RSC) Macho Man (RSC) Stone Cold (RSC)
Flashbacks in 2013 Christian (elite 20) Honky Tonk Man (elite 21) The Giant (elite 22) Macho Man (elite 23) Undertaker (elite 23) JBL (elite 23) Triple H (elite 23) Trish Stratus (elite 24) Bruno Sammartino (elite 25) Cactus Jack (RSC) Kane (RSC) Unknown Ringside Fest Flashback (RSC) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
First Time in the Line 2012 Sin Cara (elite 15) Heath Slater (elite 16) Ezekiel Jackson (elite 16) Brodus Clay (elite 18) Brock Lesnar (elite 19)
First Time in the Line 2013 Ryback (elite 21) Damien Sandow (elite 22) Tensai (elite 22) Antonio Cesaro (elite 23) Seth Rollins (elite 25) Dean Ambrose (elite 25)
Legends collectors are very vocal about not having enough product. Fact is, Mattel makes twice as many legends as they make new figures from the current roster.
In the last 2 years, there has been at least 1 Flashback in every single set. That's 12 waves.
In that same amount of time Waves 14, 17, 20 & 24 have no new characters from the current WWE product. Just something to think about
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2013 5:43:44 GMT -5
Flashbacks in 2012King Booker (elite 14) Big Boss Man (elite 14) Yokozuna (elite 15) Diesel (elite 16) Kevin Nash (elite 16) Mankind (elite 17) Undertaker (elite 18) Jerry Lawler (elite 18) HBK (elite 19) Elizabeth (elite 19) Bret Hart (RSC) Macho Man (RSC) Stone Cold (RSC) Flashbacks in 2013Christian (elite 20) Honky Tonk Man (elite 21) The Giant (elite 22) Macho Man (elite 23) Undertaker (elite 23) JBL (elite 23) Triple H (elite 23) Trish Stratus (elite 24) Bruno Sammartino (elite 25) Cactus Jack (RSC) Kane (RSC) Unknown Ringside Fest Flashback (RSC) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ First Time in the Line 2012Sin Cara (elite 15) Heath Slater (elite 16) Ezekiel Jackson (elite 16) Brodus Clay (elite 18) Brock Lesnar (elite 19) First Time in the Line 2013Ryback (elite 21) Damien Sandow (elite 22) Tensai (elite 22) Antonio Cesaro (elite 23) Seth Rollins (elite 25) Dean Ambrose (elite 25) Legends collectors are very vocal about not having enough product. Fact is, Mattel makes twice as many legends as they make new figures from the current roster. In the last 2 years, there has been at least 1 Flashback in every single set. That's 12 waves. In that same amount of time Waves 14, 17, 20 & 24 have no new characters from the current WWE product. Just something to think about This actually makes you think about the newer guys who still need figs compared to flashbacks
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Post by qdogg on Jun 7, 2013 7:21:24 GMT -5
There havent been alot of new guys on the WWE roster worthy of getting a elite figure. Most of the basic ones of new guys are shelfwarmers except for maybe Divas. They havent really been giving out very many legends deals so I wonder if we will continue to get as many in the Flashback part of the line as we have been in 2014.
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Post by MrPerfect25 on Jun 7, 2013 9:39:06 GMT -5
I think you're missing the point. Legends collectors want more Flashbacks than Cenas, Reys, and Ortons. And your law of averages is skewed since Elite 23 has 4 FB's.
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Jun 7, 2013 9:45:30 GMT -5
I think you're missing the point. Legends collectors want more Flashbacks than Cenas, Reys, and Ortons. And your law of averages is skewed since Elite 23 has 4 FB's. Yes, but there hasn't been an Elite set with four "First Time in the Line" figures since the first months of the line. So, averaging it out or not, it's still annoying to current roster collectors that we can't get some of the ancillary characters in Elite form. I wish there was a mid-line of Elite articulation but no accessories where we could maybe get some of them.
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Post by MrPerfect25 on Jun 7, 2013 9:50:33 GMT -5
True, but my current roster collection is way bigger than my fb/legends one. But it's a lot of basics.
I'm not behind another line. I just want Mattel to focus and put all their funds into the 2 they have. Basics are the best selling action figure line right now.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Jun 7, 2013 10:56:34 GMT -5
There havent been alot of new guys on the WWE roster worthy of getting a elite figure. Most of the basic ones of new guys are shelfwarmers except for maybe Divas. They havent really been giving out very many legends deals so I wonder if we will continue to get as many in the Flashback part of the line as we have been in 2014. Prime Time Players Jimmy and Jay Uso Epico and Primo Theres 6 right there. Maybe we can get a few Elite series with a tag team in them? We got DX an Hart Dynasty in one series, Kofi and Bourne, Bryan and Kane. Hahaha pretty sad that tag teams get the shaft in Elite treatment.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2013 11:13:15 GMT -5
Flashbacks in 2012King Booker (elite 14) Big Boss Man (elite 14) Yokozuna (elite 15) Diesel (elite 16) Kevin Nash (elite 16) Mankind (elite 17) Undertaker (elite 18) Jerry Lawler (elite 18) HBK (elite 19) Elizabeth (elite 19) Bret Hart (RSC) Macho Man (RSC) Stone Cold (RSC) Flashbacks in 2013Christian (elite 20) Honky Tonk Man (elite 21) The Giant (elite 22) Macho Man (elite 23) Undertaker (elite 23) JBL (elite 23) Triple H (elite 23) Trish Stratus (elite 24) Bruno Sammartino (elite 25) Cactus Jack (RSC) Kane (RSC) Unknown Ringside Fest Flashback (RSC) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ First Time in the Line 2012Sin Cara (elite 15) Heath Slater (elite 16) Ezekiel Jackson (elite 16) Brodus Clay (elite 18) Brock Lesnar (elite 19) First Time in the Line 2013Ryback (elite 21) Damien Sandow (elite 22) Tensai (elite 22) Antonio Cesaro (elite 23) Seth Rollins (elite 25) Dean Ambrose (elite 25) Legends collectors are very vocal about not having enough product. Fact is, Mattel makes twice as many legends as they make new figures from the current roster.In the last 2 years, there has been at least 1 Flashback in every single set. That's 12 waves. In that same amount of time Waves 14, 17, 20 & 24 have no new characters from the current WWE product. Just something to think about No your facts are fakes. The fact is there are a lot of AE flashbacks Not legends. Legends would be 80's guys not 97 guys. Also RSC exclusives are not flash backs hence the Exclusive in the name. What 97 and newer guys were in the legends line? Exactly so with flashbacks we are not getting a lot of legends, but are getting a lot of AE. I'm just saying if you want to bring it up call it what it is not some made up "facts". Any legend made as flashback has also sported the fitst time in line tag.
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Post by TheChamp420 on Jun 7, 2013 11:23:33 GMT -5
I wish there were 8 figures per set...2 guaranteed FB, maybe 3 maineventers aka money makers (ex. Cena, Rey, Ryback) & 3 lower mid card guys in Elite form (ex. Jinder, Cesaro, Truth, Kofi, Drew, Slater,)
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Post by Chip on Jun 7, 2013 11:50:29 GMT -5
only thing i would change is that i wouldn't count the Ringside Exclusives....because thats RSC specifically ordering/creating those, they aren't gonna request a mysterio or r-truth or kofi kingston
however its still a larger number of FB. i'm pretty satisfied with the number of Flashback's we've gotten, and the quality of them. However I do feel we should get more FTIL guys because there really is no good reason to not. Especially since Mattel packs most figures 1 per case. You put 2 awesome figures 1 per case of say Darren Young & Titus O'Neil with their PTP shirts and maybe young comes with a pick, they will sell. Santino Marella is as much a jobber now as those guys, just because he was popular for like 6 months doesn't make him more or less important than PTP or David Otunga
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2013 11:53:44 GMT -5
Hawkins, and the Usos and I'd be happy for first time elites. We also need a Kidd, not a first timer but still.
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Post by raVen™ on Jun 7, 2013 12:01:35 GMT -5
To be fair, In the eyes of Creation, a New guy is about the same as a legend. Most legends are 1 off's just as First timers. They have to put the same amount of resources in to make a new mold for a legend just as new molds for new guys. I know some of each are reused parts, But I imagine it takes about the same effort on making these guys too. So I like to look at Flashbacks/legends to be "first time in line" as well. Don't see too many flashbacks being remade unless is macho man or warrior.
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Post by Rob7274 on Jun 7, 2013 12:16:00 GMT -5
I'd like more of both to be honest.
Having Elites of the Uso's, PTP, E&P, Otunga, Jinder etc..... Would be awesome.
Having FBs of Magnum, Windham, Faarooq, Tito, Doink, NAO, APA, Hollys, Buckland and redos of M$M and Piper etc.... Would be even more Awesome!
Mattels choices over the next few series seems to be improving.
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Post by PJ on Jun 7, 2013 12:21:36 GMT -5
They have are have planned pretty much all the new guys you'll see in the Elite line. Don't hold your breath for guys like the Usos, Jinder, Hawkins because they won't get Elites unless they get to the Upper card/Main Event level and that's not happening anytime soon.
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Post by poindizzle on Jun 7, 2013 12:39:23 GMT -5
They have are have planned pretty much all the new guys you'll see in the Elite line. Don't hold your breath for guys like the Usos, Jinder, Hawkins because they won't get Elites unless they get to the Upper card/Main Event level and that's not happening anytime soon. I think this is true. Unfortunately, when they made lower card guys, I snapped them up and loved them, and yet they warmed like hell, so guys like us on the forum who love those figures are in the minority. Flashbacks on the other hand have not and probably will not warm like the likes of E3 Santino, E4 Finlay, E5 Kozlov and Chavo, and E6 Shad did. I'm okay with it, I really like basics, possibly moreso than elites, but I understand the frustration, especially if you only collect Elites. What I hate more than anything is the unwillingness to try things twice by Mattel. SDCC exclusive flopped? Never Again. Legends Flopped? Never again? Matty Collector Flopped? NEVER NEVER NEVER. That is a terrible philosophy for a toy company to have, but then again, the suits at Mattel are biggest of the big business types, and they want the most maximized profit margins of any toy manufacturer. And we just have to play. It seems that we all know the reasons why Legends didn't go over, and one of those is quickly disappearing. Remember the Jakks stalwarts that said "I'll never buy a Mattel figure"? Every week I see threads saying "I used to be a Jakks guy but the Mattel bug bit me." When you get those guys onboard, you shed off inane and arbitrary rules like "No current roster guys!", and you make iconic attires, then you have the recipe for the Legends line to stand a chance again. It used to be you had to spend money to make money, and now everyone everywhere has the "I'm only doing the bare minimum that I know will sell."
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Post by East Coast on Jun 7, 2013 16:26:19 GMT -5
No your facts are fakes. The fact is there are a lot of AE flashbacks Not legends. Legends would be 80's guys not 97 guys. Also RSC exclusives are not flash backs hence the Exclusive in the name. What 97 and newer guys were in the legends line? Exactly so with flashbacks we are not getting a lot of legends, but are getting a lot of AE. I'm just saying if you want to bring it up call it what it is not some made up "facts". Any legend made as flashback has also sported the fitst time in line tag. Whether ur a fan of the Attitude era or not........it was the most popular time in wrestling. Its what alot of ppl are still into. It was also 16 years ago. Rock, Austin and HHH ARE legends. There are kids in highschool who probably missed out on the Attitude era. So ppl from that era definately fit into the legends category. also......the RSC figs says Flashback right on the package I think you're missing the point. Legends collectors want more Flashbacks than Cenas, Reys, and Ortons. And your law of averages is skewed since Elite 23 has 4 FB's. Well.......even if E23 wasn't a FB wave....those figures would've been slotted into the other waves. Its no coincidence that there are a similar number of fbs this year from last year. Do u really think w/o e23 Mattel was just going to release 8 flashbacks?
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Post by raVen™ on Jun 7, 2013 16:45:35 GMT -5
They have are have planned pretty much all the new guys you'll see in the Elite line. Don't hold your breath for guys like the Usos, Jinder, Hawkins because they won't get Elites unless they get to the Upper card/Main Event level and that's not happening anytime soon. I think this is true. Unfortunately, when they made lower card guys, I snapped them up and loved them, and yet they warmed like hell, so guys like us on the forum who love those figures are in the minority. Flashbacks on the other hand have not and probably will not warm like the likes of E3 Santino, E4 Finlay, E5 Kozlov and Chavo, and E6 Shad did. I'm okay with it, I really like basics, possibly moreso than elites, but I understand the frustration, especially if you only collect Elites. What I hate more than anything is the unwillingness to try things twice by Mattel. SDCC exclusive flopped? Never Again. Legends Flopped? Never again? Matty Collector Flopped? NEVER NEVER NEVER. That is a terrible philosophy for a toy company to have, but then again, the suits at Mattel are biggest of the big business types, and they want the most maximized profit margins of any toy manufacturer. And we just have to play. It seems that we all know the reasons why Legends didn't go over, and one of those is quickly disappearing. Remember the Jakks stalwarts that said "I'll never buy a Mattel figure"? Every week I see threads saying "I used to be a Jakks guy but the Mattel bug bit me." When you get those guys onboard, you shed off inane and arbitrary rules like "No current roster guys!", and you make iconic attires, then you have the recipe for the Legends line to stand a chance again. It used to be you had to spend money to make money, and now everyone everywhere has the "I'm only doing the bare minimum that I know will sell." these things all flopped because they introduced them too early. People were still fumbling around with Jakks when The legends line hit. I think they would all do very well now, 3 years into the whole thing. I'm willing to bet there are twice as many collectors now than when they canceled the legends line. It's shocking to see how much some of the loose legends go for. You know what that means? There's still money to be made.Mattel doesnt make anymore money off a $100 Kane on Ebay than the original price at which the store bought it's portion of it's case from. I don't understand how they say E21 AJ lee's paint made the company bankrupt, when Each store gets 1 maybe 2 cases of each set, and has the same basics for months on end. Not to mention 2 weeks after those comments ESPN announces Wrestling figures as the #1 profitable Action figure line in the US. When Jakks and wwe were making stuff, They would get the same set in 3 or 4 times before the next sets came in. Now if you miss the flashback at a store, you're doomed, it's never coming to that store again. wtf. Signed, An Angry Honkey Tonk Man Hunter.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2013 17:13:16 GMT -5
No your facts are fakes. The fact is there are a lot of AE flashbacks Not legends. Legends would be 80's guys not 97 guys. Also RSC exclusives are not flash backs hence the Exclusive in the name. What 97 and newer guys were in the legends line? Exactly so with flashbacks we are not getting a lot of legends, but are getting a lot of AE. I'm just saying if you want to bring it up call it what it is not some made up "facts". Any legend made as flashback has also sported the fitst time in line tag. Whether ur a fan of the Attitude era or not........it was the most popular time in wrestling. Its what alot of ppl are still into. It was also 16 years ago. Rock, Austin and HHH ARE legends. There are kids in highschool who probably missed out on the Attitude era. So ppl from that era definately fit into the legends category. also...... the RSC figs says Flashback right on the packageIt's still a eclusive not a flashback. As for the other point you can dance all you want, but the question was what AE people were in legends line? None there for flashback is mostly AE and not legends explain it how ever you want, but that's a fact. Also AE was the biggest spike in fans and also the biggest drop off in fans who do nothing wrestling related so 80's and AE equal out in that sense. It's something that can be debated all day and neither of us will admit defeat so lets just move on we both have our own views I just was pointing out your flaw of saying flashbacks = legends and that's not true. There were no AE in legends line and Flashback is mostly AE that's a big difference.
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Post by East Coast on Jun 7, 2013 17:52:12 GMT -5
Whether ur a fan of the Attitude era or not........it was the most popular time in wrestling. Its what alot of ppl are still into. It was also 16 years ago. Rock, Austin and HHH ARE legends. There are kids in highschool who probably missed out on the Attitude era. So ppl from that era definately fit into the legends category. also...... the RSC figs says Flashback right on the package It's still a eclusive not a flashback. As for the other point you can dance all you want, but the question was what AE people were in legends line? None there for flashback is mostly AE and not legends explain it how ever you want, but that's a fact. Also AE was the biggest spike in fans and also the biggest drop off in fans who do nothing wrestling related so 80's and AE equal out in that sense. It's something that can be debated all day and neither of us will admit defeat so lets just move on we both have our own views I just was pointing out your flaw of saying flashbacks = legends and that's not true. There were no AE in legends line and Flashback is mostly AE that's a big difference. out of 27 flashbacks......only 10 are from the attitude era (and thats including WCW figs) thats less than half. So saying that attitude era flashbacks are the majority, isn't true. also there were at least 4 attitude era figs in the legends line
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2013 18:06:47 GMT -5
It's still a eclusive not a flashback. As for the other point you can dance all you want, but the question was what AE people were in legends line? None there for flashback is mostly AE and not legends explain it how ever you want, but that's a fact. Also AE was the biggest spike in fans and also the biggest drop off in fans who do nothing wrestling related so 80's and AE equal out in that sense. It's something that can be debated all day and neither of us will admit defeat so lets just move on we both have our own views I just was pointing out your flaw of saying flashbacks = legends and that's not true. There were no AE in legends line and Flashback is mostly AE that's a big difference. out of 27 flashbacks......only 10 are from the attitude era (and thats including WCW figs) thats less than half. So saying that attitude era flashbacks are the majority, isn't true. also there were at least 4 attitude era figs in the legends line King Booker (elite 14) Diesel (elite 16) Kevin Nash (elite 16) Mankind (elite 17) Undertaker (elite 18) Jerry Lawler (elite 18) HBK (elite 19) Stone Cold (RSC) Christian (elite 20) The Giant (elite 22) Undertaker (elite 23) JBL (elite 23) Triple H (elite 23) Trish Stratus (elite 24) Cactus Jack (RSC) Kane (RSC) I'm not sure where you learned to count, but that's 16 AE from what I count and that would be more than half and majority.
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