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Post by popyduggan on May 12, 2013 11:34:06 GMT -5
I'd hope not, I hope they keep it as cheap as possible to get the most new figures distributed yearly.
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Post by A Flair for the Gold on May 12, 2013 11:34:50 GMT -5
would it be cool? yes. would it be neccessary? absolutely not. mattel is doing a fine job with what they are already doing. the stuff they chose for the elite 2 packs years ago shelf warmed, and still is in some areas from recent pics in a facebook group i am in. i don't know how much the all-stars 2 packs were at retail, but an elite 2 pack now is gunna be i think at least $30, and i don't see a big market for it. like i said, great isea, but doesn't need to be done.
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Post by mrhoss on May 12, 2013 11:38:00 GMT -5
Why not end basic articulation?
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Post by popyduggan on May 12, 2013 11:42:35 GMT -5
May 12, 2013 11:38:00 GMT -5 mrhoss said:Why not end basic articulation?
That would be a better idea, I wish they'd make them like old school GI Joes, but I'd bet the cost of rubber bands is too dang high.
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Post by jayrod2009 on May 12, 2013 13:39:47 GMT -5
I call bullcrapon price point being too high or stores. Lets not forget about Neca's predator 2 packs costing $36-39.99 each! The reason why we won't see 2 packs is because Mattel won't make risks. They fail once, and never try again. The problem the 2 packs failed the first time is poor superstar choices. Not alot of collectors carr about mid 80's as much as they do 90's-00's. the demographic has aged and grown out of toys.
What mattel needs to do, is stop choking the market with hokey gimmicky trash like toys that actually wrestle, and flood the market with Basics and Elite's only. Remember when Elite was called a COLLECTORS SERIES? That lasted a few months. Lets drop the repaints, and get to the rest of the roster!
People fail Mattel. Don't take your ball home cause it happened once. Nut up and try again, but with better choices in characters and attire!
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2013 14:34:48 GMT -5
I would love it, and most of us would. Which means they'll never do it. Spot on
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Post by Rob7274 on May 12, 2013 14:42:14 GMT -5
I call bullcrap on price point being too high or stores. Lets not forget about Neca's predator 2 packs costing $36-39.99 each! The reason why we won't see 2 packs is because Mattel won't make risks. They fail once, and never try again. The problem the 2 packs failed the first time is poor superstar choices. Not alot of collectors carr about mid 80's as much as they do 90's-00's. the demographic has aged and grown out of toys. What mattel needs to do, is stop choking the market with hokey gimmicky trash like toys that actually wrestle, and flood the market with Basics and Elite's only. Remember when Elite was called a COLLECTORS SERIES? That lasted a few months. Lets drop the repaints, and get to the rest of the roster! People fail Mattel. Don't take your ball home cause it happened once. Nut up and try again, but with better choices in characters and attire! That's the point I was trying to get at. It's a totally different time from when the other sets were out and with a mix of modern superstars plus the growth in collectors of elites I thought Mattel could be onto a winner. With less accessories than the single elite line that would cut costs and also with them only releasing 2 to 3 series of Elite 2-packs a year I can't see if been that much of a risk. I mean I'd buy them. Plus I feel what your saying there has been alot of repaints recently and I for one would like a few more first time in elite line characters. It would be AWESOME if all Mattels WWE 6" figures were elite style.
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Post by Rob7274 on May 12, 2013 14:49:24 GMT -5
I didn't even read the post just the title of the thread. Elite 2 packs would almost be $50 with tax based on prices of individual elites. Unless they are some online exclusive it's never gonna happen. It disappoints me that you only read the title when I put thought and time into it to create I decent discussion on here . Anyway... With a lack of accessories plus the addition of elite articulation would it be that much more than the basic 2-packs? And Hasn't popularity of the line increased since the last time elite 2-packs were offered at retail?
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Post by TheChamp420 on May 12, 2013 15:12:14 GMT -5
I'd be down w/2 packs...I mainly only collect current elites, & ever since we got flashbacks, current guys have dropped, meaning we get less mid-low card guys in elite form. I think this would be a great way to get more elites
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Post by MBG1211 on May 12, 2013 15:20:43 GMT -5
I call bullcrap on price point being too high or stores. Lets not forget about Neca's predator 2 packs costing $36-39.99 each! The reason why we won't see 2 packs is because Mattel won't make risks. They fail once, and never try again. The problem the 2 packs failed the first time is poor superstar choices. Not alot of collectors carr about mid 80's as much as they do 90's-00's. the demographic has aged and grown out of toys. What mattel needs to do, is stop choking the market with hokey gimmicky trash like toys that actually wrestle, and flood the market with Basics and Elite's only. Remember when Elite was called a COLLECTORS SERIES? That lasted a few months. Lets drop the repaints, and get to the rest of the roster! People fail Mattel. Don't take your ball home cause it happened once. Nut up and try again, but with better choices in characters and attire! NECA Predator 2-packs are $30 first of all. Second of all, those are deemed collectibles by Toys R Us so they are geared at an adult collector, like majority of us, therefore they can get away with a higher price point. WWE figures are not geared for adults, yes the Elites say Adult Collector, but still, the general WWE line is geared towards kids so retail stores would want them to stay at an appropriate price...that's why everyone here is saying they would be too expensive, which is true. WWE figures may be a collectible to us, but in the toy world they are not under the "collectible" genre so to speak. Go to Toys R Us and you'll see a collectibles aisle, mainly consisting of NECA product.
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Post by qdogg on May 12, 2013 15:55:45 GMT -5
I would like to see RSC do a 2 pack one of these times. I would rather have figures that come with multiple belts, like they used to do with some of their Jakks exclusives for WWE.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on May 12, 2013 16:05:02 GMT -5
With a lack of accessories plus the addition of elite articulation would it be that much more than the basic 2-packs? Yes, it would be that much more. And with a lack of accessories, a lot of us would be hesitant to spend $30+ on a two-pack. And we're the hardcore collectors... The average consumer wouldn't even consider spending that much on them. As the failure of Legends, Entrance Greats and Defining Moments proved, the statement "I am a Wfigs member and I want this" does not mean the same thing as the statement "This would be good business." We can all fantasy book wrestling figure lines to our own specification, but we're not dealing with the realities of the market. If the economy and the cost of production make it easier to take the chance, I think Mattel might give it a try, but with costs high and possible returns so low, they probably won't do so anytime soon. Why not end basic articulation? Because then all the currently-basic figures would either be statues with zero articulation, or they'd all be elites and cost nearly twice as much, and retailers and consumers at large would reject the line. That's why.
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Post by Vamp55 on May 12, 2013 16:11:52 GMT -5
I'll admit I don't know nothing about the cost of making a figure? But, I don't believe 2 pack, is simply twice the cost of a single figure. That just doesn't make any sense. If it were the case, it would be the only retail item I could think of where that would be the case. For my mind, u would save money straight up on labour and packaging. So assuming that a elite single costs, $18-$20 I would expect that a 2 pack short run $28-$30. Now that is probably still to high for retail. So if u make it an exclusive then the cost goes up as you could assume that it will be a shorter run of figures. I could see them listed on RSC for let's say $34.99. I would buy them at that price point. As for who what the should include. I reckon they start with Classic LOD.
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Post by PJ on May 12, 2013 16:13:56 GMT -5
I didn't even read the post just the title of the thread. Elite 2 packs would almost be $50 with tax based on prices of individual elites. Unless they are some online exclusive it's never gonna happen. It disappoints me that you only read the title when I put thought and time into it to create I decent discussion on here . Anyway... With a lack of accessories plus the addition of elite articulation would it be that much more than the basic 2-packs? And Hasn't popularity of the line increased since the last time elite 2-packs were offered at retail? Yes it would still cost at least $30 per 2-pack accessories or not. Parents aren't going to go out and spend $30+ on their kid just because it's a Tuesday. They do it for special occassions (Birthday's, holidays, report cards) So you are going to be hard pressed to find a retailer who will want to stock $30 2-Packs on their shelves when they know there's a better chance of them selling alot more $16 single carded figures. Maybe it would work if they made one series 2-Packs (3 sets) as a store exclusive for just the 4th quarter of each year. This way parents would be buying them during the holiday season. But again I don't see any store wanting to stock $30 2-Packs all year when the single carded figures will move much easier than 2-Packs. As far as Neca's 2-Packs go they don't seem to move at my TRU. Not sure about Predator., but Rocky, Assassins Creed & some other line Prometheus(?) all have been put on clearance at my store and just sat there for months.
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Post by LA Times on May 12, 2013 16:19:00 GMT -5
They would be too expensive at $40-50/set and if they are packaged just like single Elites, all the accessories will be stolen or the figure switched out.
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Post by ztj_wwf on May 12, 2013 16:39:00 GMT -5
It would be too expensive.
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Post by Rob7274 on May 12, 2013 17:38:50 GMT -5
So the general thought is that they would just be to expensive for both Mattel and the average kid customer.
Alot of you talk about the kids not been able to afford these packs or parents not willing to buy them at that price-point...Which is fair and most probebly true.
But one finally thought/question...
Alot of you talk about the kids not been able to afford these packs or parents not willing to buy them at that price-point...Which is fair and most probebly true.
But what about the collectors? The Flashbacks have been a success and Elites seem to be getting more popular and are more in demand. Surely that's got to mean more and more adult collectors are collecting these lines. I can hardly imagine a kid/parent getting more than 2 or 3 elites every series yet Elites&FBs are getting harder to find/order. Also TRU exclusives are doing well at a higher price point due to the C&C...
Does this not mean demand is there even at the higher price point? How much more are basic articulation figures to manufactor than elite articulation figures? (Estimate?)
Like I said things seemed to have changed from a year or 2 ago.
Your thoughts are welcomed!
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Post by mrhoss on May 12, 2013 17:40:57 GMT -5
Why not end basic articulation? Because then all the currently-basic figures would either be statues with zero articulation, or they'd all be elites and cost nearly twice as much, and retailers and consumers at large would reject the line. That's why. Nobody but Mattel knows the extra cost involved to manufacture an elite figure rather than a basic. If Mattel were to produce an elite articulated figure, apply basic style paint apps to trunks, black tats, no accessories, and package it on a bubble card, could it retail for approximately $12-$13? What's the difference between E21 AJ vs. B30 AJ?
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Post by Rob7274 on May 12, 2013 17:46:32 GMT -5
Because then all the currently-basic figures would either be statues with zero articulation, or they'd all be elites and cost nearly twice as much, and retailers and consumers at large would reject the line. That's why. Nobody but Mattel knows the extra cost involved to manufacture an elite figure rather than a basic. If Mattel were to produce an elite articulated figure, apply basic style paint apps to trunks, black tats, no accessories, and package it on a bubble card, could it retail for approximately $12-$13? What's the difference between E21 AJ vs. B30 AJ? Nothing apart from the paint job. Good point!
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Post by AlexWestCollects on May 12, 2013 18:28:02 GMT -5
I didn't even read the post just the title of the thread. Elite 2 packs would almost be $50 with tax based on prices of individual elites. Unless they are some online exclusive it's never gonna happen. It disappoints me that you only read the title when I put thought and time into it to create I decent discussion on here . Anyway... With a lack of accessories plus the addition of elite articulation would it be that much more than the basic 2-packs? And Hasn't popularity of the line increased since the last time elite 2-packs were offered at retail? Us collectors would buy them but parents wouldn't drop $50 on 2 packs for kids. Mattel has said they won't do 2 packs b/c they are too much for retail items. Hell I still see legends 2 packs at TRU. While I agree the line has gotten more popular from the start, the prices have gone up since then too. My tru is charging $26.99 for the BAF line and I refuse to pay that. So $50 for 2 packs really is a tough sell.
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