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Post by Optimus Prime on Jul 30, 2012 22:21:31 GMT -5
So much for Punk being a tweener. Him complaining about being in a Triple Threat match, a match he competed in two months ago, is really inconsistent.
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Post by alexgg on Jul 30, 2012 22:22:34 GMT -5
Punk has gone weird Lol.
I thought it was an excellent Raw!
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TheHawkinsNexus
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Post by TheHawkinsNexus on Jul 30, 2012 22:22:42 GMT -5
Punk & AW were gold tonight
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Post by el torro on Jul 30, 2012 22:25:23 GMT -5
My god, Punk on commentary telling King off was golden.
he is my hero. <3
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Post by alexgg on Jul 30, 2012 22:28:13 GMT -5
My god, Punk on commentary telling King off was golden. he is my hero. <3 Punk telling King how it is was my favourite parts. Sometimes Jerry just needs to shut up. I'm content with Cole now, he calls the action more than picking a side which is good compared to last years.
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Post by 5D's on Jul 30, 2012 22:33:01 GMT -5
No complaints at all about this Raw! Good job WWE! They gave plenty of time to the main storylines (Punk vs Rock, Bryan and the psychologist, etc) and still built up the midcard/undercard feuds (PTP vs Truth/Kofi, Tensai vs Kidd). Just what we've all been asking for.
Hope to see Curt Hawkins, Tyler Reks, and Drew McIntyre in future Raws though.
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Post by J12 on Jul 30, 2012 22:34:27 GMT -5
Lot's of good stuff to talk about tonight. I enjoyed this show a whole hell of a lot more than Raw 1000.
Punk's opening promo was a little underwhelming. It almost seemed as though they weren't sure what they wanted to do with him. Quickly turned sour with The Big Show. I just don't care about Show, at all. No matter what he does, who he works with and what character he's playing, I just have no interest in seeing him in any capacity.
Useless match between Del Rio and Santino. Felt like I'd seen the exact same thing a dozen times. Santino needs to drop the title, and Del Rio needs to freshen up, period. Zero interest in Del Rio's proclamation to stop competing, and no interest in a Sheamus/Del Rio rematch should it happen that way.
Clay/Sandow/Vickie segment was awful, though I did like Sandow's involvement. For the most part, this is the kind of crap I was hoping would fizzle out with the change that Raw 1000 sought to bring.
Fantastic match between Sheamus and Daniel Bryan. These two always bring their A game against each other, and tonight was no different. Would have much preferred this made it to Pay-Per-View instead of Sheamus/Del Rio. Sheamus is a workhorse, I don't care what anyone says. I'm tired of the predictable winning streak and the by-the-books title reign, but I'm still a big fan.
Daniel Bryan's post match shenanigans were golden. This is the kind of "comedy" I don't mind - when it actually serves a purpose and it's genuinely entertaining. Bryan kicking Lil' Jimmy and then losing his mind was hysterical. He stole the show tonight, hands down.
Bryan's backstage segments were great, too, albeit a little hokey. Didn't care for Kane's appearance. Seemed like they were just trying to get him on the show. I'm not particularly interested in Bryan/Kane again unless it leads to a big win for Bryan.
Love the Primetime Players/Kofi & Truth rivalry, or what there is of it. Decent match, loved the stuff from AW. I had no issue with the Kobe comment but it was a poor call that is likely to cost him his career, unfortunately, which sucks. I was really digging the partnership and I'm afraid Young and O'Neil will suffer if (or more likely when) AW gets pulled. Still really hoping to see these four get a match at Summerslam with the titles on the line - booked beforehand.
Great to see Orton back, though I think his haircut looks stupid as hell. Interested to see where he goes from here, I'd love a heel turn, he's due for it, although that may be tough with Punk heading in that direction.
Great tag match between Jericho/Christian and Ziggler/Miz. Four of my absolute favorites currently, and they didn't disappoint. As I said before, I absolutely love everything about this Jericho/Ziggler rivalry. I love seeing Jericho wrap this run up as a face, it's a nice change of pace. This match should give Ziggler the huge boost of credibility that he needs, and Jericho will undoubtedly give him on hell of a match. Can't wait.
Couldn't care less about Tensai, or his tired shtick of snapping when he gets pissed. Crowd doesn't care. I don't care. He tried, they tried, it's simply not working.
Hardly paid attention during Show/Cena. Again, I just don't care about The Big Show. I was, however, listening to Punk, which was fantastic. Loved that he called out King for exactly what he is on every turn. King couldn't keep up for a second. Interesting finish. I saw the triple threat coming, but the way they went about it was interesting. Again, really conflicted. Punk attacks the heel but acts like a heel.
Loved the interaction with AJ. "YOU'RE A BAD GM!" The whining about a triple threat was the most heel thing he's done thus far. Looks like a full fledged turn is inevitable. I'm probably the only one left who doesn't agree with it, but it'll be an entertaining ride regardless.
I'm probably in the minority here for thinking AJ was pretty good in her role tonight. It's nice to see her still play a crucial role in the action, but at a reduced rate. I think this role will suit her really well in the long run. Oh, and she looked fantastic tonight, too.
The GLARING issue with tonight's show was the amount of recap. It's a subject that's been beaten to death in this thread, but that's because it's completely true. I know that they're trying to get their feet on the ground and settle into this three hour thing, but if this keeps up, I can't see why anyone would ever want to watch Raw live. Just DVR it and fast forward through the asinine amount of this garbage. They were recaping things they just recapped before the break. Recapping things that happened five minutes ago. Recapping recaps of recaps. It's got to stop somewhere.
And no Divas tonight again? For quite a long time, I said that it really seemed like WWE was just treading water with the divas until Kharma showed up. Now that she's gone, it really appears that they've just given up entirely.
Honestly, I'd be willing to bet, if you took away the recap and the social media tonight, we didn't actually gain any real content vs. a two hour show. That's alarming.
Still, as evidenced by my mostly positive comments, I think the content we did get was a step in the right direction, especially when compared to last week.
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Post by kimberlasskick on Jul 30, 2012 22:49:31 GMT -5
GREAT show. Daniel Bryan and Punk were the stars....the recaps killed it though. I could live with the touts even but the recaps.....UGH!
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Post by KrimV on Jul 30, 2012 23:07:54 GMT -5
The easy way to solve the recap problem is to just bump them all to the start of the 9 and 10 o'clock hours unless it's something really major. That's it. The commercials are unavoidable, but the constant recapping was just ridiculous.
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Post by Eat Defeat. on Jul 31, 2012 0:00:42 GMT -5
Decent show, didn't feel too long. Some very good matches & moments, I liked it.
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Mr Wrestling Jr.
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Post by Mr Wrestling Jr. on Jul 31, 2012 1:01:45 GMT -5
I like they've kept the stage from RAW 1000. I'm guessing the graphics on the on the screens next to the stage were off for tonight because of the fire? Hopefully no fires next week.
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Post by Edge618 on Jul 31, 2012 3:41:31 GMT -5
To me it looks like WWE wants to do Bryan vs. Sheen but has Bryan vs. Kane in mind for back up. Maybe Bryan vs. Kane with Sheen in his corner, and maybe taking a chokeslam or something after Kane turns on him. I dunno, I feel like this is kind of stupid for D Bry, BUT he is making it very funny and entertaining, which i respect him for and doesn't make it seem as bad.
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Post by Dan on Jul 31, 2012 4:32:29 GMT -5
The amount of recaps was painful last night, but the 3 hour extension did have some benefits, and Daniel Bryan took full advantage of that. Having a longer Show allows deeper character progression, and Daniel Bryan's segments in the Ring with Lil' Jimmy and backstage were top draw. He stole the Show by a long way.
I was a little let down with the CM Punk Promo. The thing is, it's hard to go down the route of saying that the WWE Champion should close Raw and every PPV and isn't being taken as important as it should be, and the reason he hasn't been doing so is because of John Cena, and The Rock. But as of Summerslam, Brock Lesnar vs Triple H will likely main event, and the only reason Punk is closing Raw is because John Cena is now in the Championship picture. So it still doesn't really make help his case now.
I'll give him time to develop, after Summerslam will be when we really see where his character goes.
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Post by 0,Y on Jul 31, 2012 4:51:44 GMT -5
"HOW ARE YOU GONNA STOP ME?!?" "I'd probably move out of the way if you tried this!"
excellent Raw from start to finish, Punk on commentary was hilarious
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Post by The Undertaker on Jul 31, 2012 6:44:59 GMT -5
Wow WWE, a random Big Show/Kane insert into a main event feud. Never seen that one before. Really delivered there on that "big summer angle". After SummerSlam, expect the following until the Rock shows up for Royal Rumble: Night of Champions main event will be Cena vs. Kane Hell in a Cell main event will be Cena vs Punk vs Kane Survivor Series main event will be Big Show vs Cena vs Punk vs Kane TLC main event will be Kane vs Punk with Cena as the guest referee. Somehow I doubt this'll happen.
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Post by wabarrett on Jul 31, 2012 11:59:38 GMT -5
I don't understand why you'd put the day first. The month seems much more logical. The 30th day of the 7th month of the 2012th year. Makes plenty of sense. Teehee.
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Post by Chris Hammers on Jul 31, 2012 12:25:37 GMT -5
Despite their random interaction tonight, I'd like to say I think Kane/Daniel Bryan have amazing chemistry together. I thought it during the triple threat with Punk, and I thought it during their singles match on Smackdown. I'd happily take another match at Summerslam.
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Post by Dan88 on Jul 31, 2012 13:54:50 GMT -5
Dont think i've ever muted RAW before but god these touts are so cringe worthy i have to mute and look away
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Post by xtremeperil on Jul 31, 2012 16:17:09 GMT -5
I DVR'd Raw and skipped whatever I didn't want to see and maybe that's a big reason why I enjoyed this week's Raw more than the 1000th Raw but then again I thought the 1000th Raw was terrible so whatever. I did notice I skipped an awful lot of recaps, and I'm assuming that's not going away so I'm just continue DVRing these and watching them with the ability to fast forward.
I thought the beginning segment was great, at least with Punk. It seemed like we'd be going something like we got when Punk initially turned heel in his feud with Hardy, where it was going to be like awhile for the turn to officially happen and kind of ambiguous up to the point were he definitely turns. I loved everything about him talking to King, and this Raw as a whole really showcased why King shouldn't be commentating anymore. He's terrible. I lost a lot of interest when Show came down, but Punk still had a good line or two.
I skipped everything from Marella vs. Del Rio to the street fight.
Okay, so the Street Fight was the best part of the show. Um, first of all, the whole Raw Active thing is pointless. I don't think a single think about the match would've changed if any of those matches were picked, I mean, we probably would've saw more two count on the Falls Count Anywhere bout but that's about it. I just don't really see the point but that's not a knock against the match. This match was awesome, not nearly as awesome as the two out of three falls but still awesome. Some really great spots, the highlight of the show. The Daniel Bryan stuff throughout the show was actually funny at points.
I skipped Kingston vs. Titus and I don't really have a comment about Orton vs. Slater so I'll just move on.
The tag match was good. I really liked how Ziggler and Jericho were never the legal man at the same time (well, for more than five seconds). That was the best way to go about it, and the match was on it's own, still pretty good.
Skipped Tensai. Would've skipped the main event but wanted to listen to Punk on commentary which was great. I don't remember much of the match, I wasn't paying that much attention. But I hated Punk whining about being put into a triple threat because that is such a blatant heel thing to do and it's especially jarring when he in the past didn't have a problem being place in a triple threat TLC match. I recall back to the Summer of 09, his feud with Jeff. He did something that normally a heel does, but it was played with such ambiguity on whether he turned or not. We got a feud that took a month or so before he fully turned, so to speak. It didn't happen the night he explained his actions. I was hoping for something similar to that but it seems they're going right out there as quick as possible. I'm probably overreacting but his interaction with AJ was just completely heel and I think they should avoid those moments. Him interrupting the match was a perfect example because even though that was a heel move his attack was focused entirely on Big Show who for some damn reason has been acting as the biggest heel on Raw.
I'm also not looking forward to the triple threat because of Show. In fact, that almost kills my entire interest in the PPV. I don't know whether or not I'm ordering it now. I guess the remaining build to Triple H vs. Lesnar will be the determining factor.
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