Daniel F'n Bryan
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Post by Daniel F'n Bryan on Jul 3, 2012 20:14:49 GMT -5
OMG.........That gif. was all I needed to put me on the brink of exploading. I cant wait for this fight at all. And quite frankly I agree that Chael has gotten into Silvs's head.
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Post by Sonnen on Jul 3, 2012 21:10:48 GMT -5
2 reason I want Chael to win.
1. I don't like Anderson. 2. We'll get to see a third fight with even more build!
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Post by 1992 on Jul 3, 2012 21:30:52 GMT -5
2. We'll get to see a third fight with even more build! That would depend on several variables... One being how severe the win/loss is. If Sonnen just dominates Silva again this time minus the Hail Mary triangle, then I'd see no point in Silva getting an immediate rematch. Another is how much a loss coming into a fight with this much emotion behind it would affect Silva. Especially with him seeming to break his own unspoken "no trash talk" rule and threatening to break Sonnen's arms and legs, and the drama from the conference and all the rest we'll see this week. Could we see another Fedor situation if the "Almighty Anderson" falls the way we seen the "Unbeatable Fedor" get subbed by someone everyone expected him to walk through. Could a loss to Sonnen prompt several more extremely surprising ones for Silva, so much that he falls from title contention? You just never know. But undeniably, I'd love to see Sonnen get the W here and them go onto have a Trilogy.
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Post by Sonnen on Jul 3, 2012 21:45:01 GMT -5
Well as far as Fedor goes, only a select group of Pride die-hard fans truly saw him in this god like unbeatable light. Where as a lot of people would question he record, and rightfully so, the guy was great but definitely not at the heights that his hype got him to, his recorded was padded with not so great fighters.
Anderson Silva however is a different animal, I think he has beat more quality MMA fighters, in addition his fights other than Sonnen have been a lot more one sided. Without a shadow of a doubt or any questioning I say Silva is the P4P.
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Post by 1992 on Jul 3, 2012 22:33:06 GMT -5
Not to derail the thread and turn it into a Fedor thread, but he IS undoubtedly the best HW fighter of all time up to this point. Nobody in his division has done what he's done and that is beyond the point of argument or debate, it's just a fact. UFC's heavyweight division was virtually non-existent while PRIDE's was loaded with the up-to-then best heavyweight in the world.
The hook to discrediting Fedor is "BUT HE NEVER FOUGHT IN TEH OCTAGON!" which is as ridiculous as discrediting GSP as never being the best WW of all time because he "ducked PRIDE his whole career"
Fedor fought in a different time period than guys like JDS, Cain, etc. in that by the time their careers were winding up, his was winding down. Same as Liddell, Ortiz, Griffin, Rampage, etc.
Fedor was fighting the best his division had to offer in PRIDE (Cro Cop, Heath Herring, Kevin Randleman, Big Nog, Mark Hunt, etc).
There was nobody to fight in the UFC. The top HW draws in the UFC of that time were Jeff Monson vs. Tim Sylvia and Andrei Arlovski vs. Paul Buentello...and Fedor went onto KO the UFC's best HWs from his time period at Affliction events anyways while they were all three still "in their prime".
I really hope this doesn't turn into an argument thread, as Fedor is retired and completely irrelevant to this weekends PPV, and was only brought up as an example. Same could have been said about Chuck Liddel or Tito Ortiz.
Who the P4P best fighter of all time is, is entirely up to whomever you feel it is, Jon Jones, Jose Aldo, Anderson Silva, Fedor, etc. but the one common factor those guys all have in common is they're undeniably the best from their respective weight classes, and I feel that should be respected, regardless of personal opinion.
Coming from a guy who detests Anderson Silva and his annoying, sheepish fans, I'll argue FOR the guy all day that he's the best MW of all time because he is and he deserves that credit and respect, same as Fedor.
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Jul 3, 2012 23:24:11 GMT -5
Wow...Silva/Sonnen II is gonna be intense!! I can't wait for that one.
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Post by Sonnen on Jul 3, 2012 23:50:28 GMT -5
1991, if we're going to do this, I'm going to do it in PM or in another thread, otherwise this is going to be a Fedor debate. Because I agree and disagree on many a point.
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Post by 1992 on Jul 4, 2012 1:36:11 GMT -5
1991, if we're going to do this, I'm going to do it in PM or in another thread, otherwise this is going to be a Fedor debate. Because I agree and disagree on many a point. Doesn't bother me dude. I just wanted to speak my mind. If it bugs you that much feel free to shoot me a PM about it, but I don't have a problem if you disagree with what I say. I think we're both pretty much set on our own personal opinions on Fedor though, so I think a debate would probably just go around in circles.
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Daniel F'n Bryan
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Post by Daniel F'n Bryan on Jul 4, 2012 1:36:47 GMT -5
How bout everybody get over the whole P4P best of all time thing.....its impossible to know who the P4P best of all time is. P4P best of each weight class is one thing because you can compare records and what not because guys in the same weight class have most likely faced the same people. Obviously you cant do the same and see who the best P4P is when guys like Fedor and say Aldo have never and will never have a common opponent. Its just a stupid thing to say IMO. P4P best of all time in a specific weight class is one thing but P4P best of all time period is another and is impossible to know.
Sorry to add to taking this off topic I just felt like I needed to say that.
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Post by Sonnen on Jul 4, 2012 2:02:20 GMT -5
How bout everybody get over the whole P4P best of all time thing.....its impossible to know who the P4P best of all time is. P4P best of each weight class is one thing because you can compare records and what not because guys in the same weight class have most likely faced the same people. Obviously you cant do the same and see who the best P4P is when guys like Fedor and say Aldo have never and will never have a common opponent. Its just a stupid thing to say IMO. P4P best of all time in a specific weight class is one thing but P4P best of all time period is another and is impossible to know. Sorry to add to taking this off topic I just felt like I needed to say that. Well it's not totally off topic, 'cause you stole that entire P4P argument off Chael P Sonnen, and the P stands for the pummelling he is going to give Anderson Silva!
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Post by SteveHulk on Jul 4, 2012 5:15:34 GMT -5
I don't want to get into a whole Condit/Diaz arguement but Nick won that fight in my eyes... you don't win a fight with glancing blows and moving backwards the whole fight. ...you win it by out-striking your opponent and causing more damage... Wow. People can say Chael has gotten in Silva's head - but that might not necessarily be a good thing... an angry/fired-up Anderson Silva looks like one scary individual(!). Man, I wish it was Saturday already...
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Post by Sandy on Jul 4, 2012 15:11:34 GMT -5
I don't want to get into a whole Condit/Diaz arguement but Nick won that fight in my eyes... you don't win a fight with glancing blows and moving backwards the whole fight. ...you win it by out-striking your opponent and causing more damage... Wow. People can say Chael has gotten in Silva's head - but that might not necessarily be a good thing... an angry/fired-up Anderson Silva looks like one scary individual(!). Man, I wish it was Saturday already... yessss....'cause Condit really caused more damage to Diaz
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Post by 1992 on Jul 4, 2012 15:16:11 GMT -5
Sonnen vs. Silva
Fedor GOAT debate
Diaz vs. Condit arguement
lol. greatest thread.
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Post by James Hetfield on Jul 4, 2012 15:31:08 GMT -5
ing christ. hahaha.
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Jul 4, 2012 19:56:40 GMT -5
Something seems extremely off about the whole build-up to this fight... Anderson talking trash... Chael not talking as much trash as he usually does...and when he does happen to cut a WWE-ESQUE interview..he seems almost uncomfortable to even be saying the stuff he is saying... So is Chael so focused that he has decided to cut down on the trash talk or does he realize that before the PED'S he was a mid-tier middleweight, at best... Is Anderson so pissed off that he will look like a killer... or will he try to go out there and taunt Sonnen like he did in the Maia fight for a lopsided and very boring decision win.. OR is Anderson so wrapped up in this fight, emotionally, that he performs under what people expect from him...and LOSES a decision to Sonnen. so many variables going into this fight. But I am going to go with Anderson...how Sonnen performed against Bisping was not all that impressive, imo. I hate Bisping and I actually think he won that fight. I think Anderson is going to get into Chaels face and open up with strikes early on. Sonnen will land a takedown with 2 minutes left in the round but Anderson will pop back up and ride the rest of the round out... Round two Anderson will land some strikes and ultimately tko Sonnen by the 3 minute mark.. It could be that Sonnen is so focused, that he's realised trash talking is no longer needed, but on the flip side, I think the Bisping fight humbled him a little. Lets be honest, Sonnen himself said that Bisping had a case for winning that fight, so I think he realises that he's pretty fortunate to be getting another shot at Silva - and the title, as it is.
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Post by 1992 on Jul 4, 2012 21:04:59 GMT -5
And now Bisping's coming into play too.
That's it...I'm bookmarking this one.
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Post by Sonnen on Jul 5, 2012 0:48:06 GMT -5
We've entered the Sherdog zone~
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Post by James Hetfield on Jul 5, 2012 1:30:47 GMT -5
Exactly.
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Post by Sonnen on Jul 5, 2012 11:14:48 GMT -5
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Jul 5, 2012 11:15:38 GMT -5
Now, although you said round 2, you never said who you were picking, but I've got a good idea who... It's gonna be a war, that's for sure!! It may not last long, but it'll be war for the entire duration of the fight. This is a can't miss fight. I know I'll be watching and I can't figgin' wait!! 2 more days baby!!
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