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Post by BigShab421 on Jul 8, 2012 9:42:56 GMT -5
Chael should move up to LHW
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Post by hammer on Jul 8, 2012 10:01:25 GMT -5
nothing like having your prospects of a title win be either a 37 year old who has beaten you twice... or a 24 year old monster.
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Post by SteveHulk on Jul 8, 2012 10:15:42 GMT -5
It'll be interesting to see where Chael goes next... I think Silva should stay at MW - if Jones eventually moves to HW though, he might be tempted to move up.
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Post by scoobypat on Jul 8, 2012 10:56:03 GMT -5
To be fair, unless it's late in a fight, a corner will always attempt to calm a fighter by telling him he's got it or something to that extent. No one walks into their corner and hear's "What was that? You're getting your ass kicked!" after one round of five. So maybe that was their strategy, but I took it more as them just trying to keep his confidence up. I would have bought more into the snake in the grass laying and waiting strategy if Sonnen hadn't previously dominated Silva in their last fight. You have to think that the fear of Silva being finished in this fight was real to them, so I don't think their strategy was "Let him do his thing round one", maybe against any other fighter I'd buy that, but not in this fight. You must calm down young grasshopper. Calm down... errrr, what part of that post left you thinking I was anything but calm?
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Jul 8, 2012 11:50:10 GMT -5
nothing like having your prospects of a title win be either a 37 year old who has beaten you twice... or a 24 year old monster. Exactly. He's damned either way. If he stays a Middleweight, there's only so many times he can fight the same top fighters in that weight-class like Bisping, Stann and Munoz. He's already beat Bisping and Stann, so who else would he have to beat in order to get another title shot??
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Post by Sandy on Jul 8, 2012 12:07:55 GMT -5
Chael can have A fight with Belfort, that would be interesting. I would say Wandy but he would demolish Wandy.
Lombard, Franklin, ....
honestly he is stuck in the same position as Koscheck or Franklin....good fighters who will never be champions...
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Post by Sonnen on Jul 8, 2012 12:16:46 GMT -5
How about dropping to WW?
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Post by James Hetfield on Jul 8, 2012 12:19:26 GMT -5
He won't be able to make that weight.
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Post by Sonnen on Jul 8, 2012 12:20:31 GMT -5
He won't be able to make that weight. Bigger weight cuts have happened, he has also entertained the idea before. He seemed to cut 20 pounds pretty easy with in a day, it's not like he is Anthony Johnson...
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Post by James Hetfield on Jul 8, 2012 12:21:18 GMT -5
He said he wouldn't be able to make welterweight. He was pushing for a 205 debut earlier though.
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Post by Sonnen on Jul 8, 2012 12:22:56 GMT -5
He said he wouldn't be able to make welterweight. He was pushing for a 205 debut earlier though. Oh right, wouldn't have any idea of this, never heard him say anything like that. Any idea what interview he said that in? Wouldn't mind taking a listen.
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Post by James Hetfield on Jul 8, 2012 12:25:57 GMT -5
After 132 he said it. He also called out Lyoto. His whole career he's either been at 185 or 205. Don't see him going to 170 especially at the age he's at and how much weight that will be to cut.
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Post by Sonnen on Jul 8, 2012 12:33:25 GMT -5
After 132 he said it. He also called out Lyoto. His whole career he's either been at 185 or 205. Don't see him going to 170 especially at the age he's at and how much weight that will be to cut. Well if he wants to be champion, it might be his only option. The reality of it Anderson Silva is the best MW of all time. Jon Jones is a freak of nature, who's probably going to kill Hendo. Now with the WW division it seems more promising, you've got Carlos Condit which I think is someone Chael could take with his wrestling. And then you've got GSP, which would be very interesting.
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Post by SteveHulk on Jul 8, 2012 13:01:46 GMT -5
Well if he wants to be champion, it might be his only option. The reality of it Anderson Silva is the best MW of all time. Jon Jones is a freak of nature, who's probably going to kill Hendo. Now with the WW division it seems more promising, you've got Carlos Condit which I think is someone Chael could take with his wrestling. And then you've got GSP, which would be very interesting. IF he could make WW, that definitely seems like the best option. I'm not sure if he could though... he's a pretty big guy. It does seem pretty pointless staying at MW though, when the champion has beaten you twice. A move to LHW would be fun... I can't see him beating Jones (...who can?), but match-ups against guys like Rashad, Hendo, Shogun and Machida etc. would be very interesting...
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Post by Sonnen on Jul 8, 2012 13:04:06 GMT -5
Well if he wants to be champion, it might be his only option. The reality of it Anderson Silva is the best MW of all time. Jon Jones is a freak of nature, who's probably going to kill Hendo. Now with the WW division it seems more promising, you've got Carlos Condit which I think is someone Chael could take with his wrestling. And then you've got GSP, which would be very interesting. IF he could make WW, that definitely seems like the best option. I'm not sure if he could though... he's a pretty big guy. It does seem pretty pointless staying at MW though, when the champion has beaten you twice. A move to LHW would be fun... I can't see him beating Jones (...who can?), but match-ups against guys like Rashad, Hendo, Shogun and Machida etc. would be very interesting... Lyoto is definitely a money fight.
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Post by 1992 on Jul 8, 2012 14:15:11 GMT -5
honestly he is stuck in the same position as Koscheck or Franklin....good fighters who will never be champions... Pretty much spot on. I was telling my GF after the PPV "It'll take Silva's retirement to see a new MWC crowned in the UFC." I think the only opportunity anyone had to really beat Anderson was Sonnen in their first fight, and his own stupidity cost him there the same way his reckless abandoned cost him Saturday. Anderson walks through Bisping, Munoz, and probably Lombard too. Curious to see how he (Hector) performs on a major scale now in the UFC. Lombard is the only truly interesting match-up left for Silva at MW anyways. If Lombard makes it that far, and Silva dispatches him...either do the super-fight with Bones or retire. Guy's done it all, twice. Nothing left to prove.
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Post by scoobypat on Jul 8, 2012 15:58:16 GMT -5
Is Lombard the guy White said he couldn't get?
The last question in the post fight conference was who would Silva like to fight. White being his usually over present self attempted to answer the question for Silva (who was sitting right next to him) by saying something like "I'll imagine he'll say something along the lines of whoever we can find." or some boring generic answer. Then Silva gave an actual answer along the lines of "Are you ready for my real answer? You sure?..." and then he said what sounded like "Hector" although I couldn't understand him, White responded "Oh yeah, the one guy I can't get you." What's the deal with that.
Also am I the only one who hates Dana White in press conferences? He interrupts the fighters, answers questions for them, and a lot of the time he just comes across as unprofessional ( some guy asked him a question in spanish last night and his response was literally "I don't do Spanish." or Tito was in the middle of telling an emotional story and he interrupted with "Let's not turn this into an intervention.") The guy looks like he's just searching for a laugh, it annoys me.
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Post by James Hetfield on Jul 8, 2012 16:19:20 GMT -5
Anderson didn't say "Hector", he said "My clone". Tito was talking the same sh*t every single question. "I went out on my sheild. I came from nothing. I worked hard. I went out on my shield. I'm a warrior. Been at this 15 years. 15 years. 8 surgeries. Had 8 surgeries last weekend, etc etc etc." I wanted Tito to shut the up.
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Post by James Hetfield on Jul 8, 2012 16:43:27 GMT -5
I have a friend who is from Brazil and who speaks Portuguese and he said Soares mistranslated one thing Silva said at the post-fight presser.
A reporter asked what the gameplan was, Silva explained a bit but Soares basically said "The plan was to knock him out". What Silva said was something along the lines of "the plan was to play sonnen's game in the first round, let chael feel comfortable/confident and then 'start fighting' in the second round."
Not a biggie, but I'm also not sure why Soares left that out.
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Post by scoobypat on Jul 8, 2012 16:45:28 GMT -5
Anderson didn't say "Hector", he said "My clone". Tito was talking the same sh*t every single question. "I went out on my sheild. I came from nothing. I worked hard. I went out on my shield. I'm a warrior. Been at this 15 years. 15 years. 8 surgeries. Had 8 surgeries last weekend, etc etc etc."I wanted Tito to shut the up. This is why I had no problem with Griffins "antics" (if you want to call them that). Ortiz isn't exactly a humble guy who is going to let an opportunity for himself to be praised to pass, so I had no worry about Griffin "stealing his moment" and he's made a career out of being a jack-wagon post fight so he has no room to be upset.
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