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Post by MKSavage on Jul 19, 2020 14:43:07 GMT -5
PTW 11-11-91 The debut of the roundtable format Also on this episode....Was this the show that Savage wrestled the Undertaker in a dark match? He seems to be wearing the same tights. Also, it would have been awesome had they let Savage join the team of LOD and the Big Boss Man to face Jake, IRS and the Natural Disasters. As a kid, I was dying for them to reinstate Savage. I know they wanted to use Savage and Jake to help sell the Tuesday in Texas PPV but it would have been cool to see Savage and Jake wrestle at the Survivor Series. I'm sure they could have come up with some good stuff to where Savage and Jake barely touched/wrestled each other in the survivor series match so that they didn't give too much away. Maybe have them both get disqualified thus leading to the match at Tuesday in Texas, sell it as the first one-on-one meeting between the two. Anyway, this was a great time to be a fan of wrestling, WWF was still going strong and WCW had some really great young talent sprinkled in with some great veterans. Good times.
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Post by The Brain on Jul 19, 2020 14:56:08 GMT -5
PTW 11-11-91 The debut of the roundtable format Also on this episode....Was this the show that Savage wrestled the Undertaker in a dark match? He seems to be wearing the same tights. Also, it would have been awesome had they let Savage join the team of LOD and the Big Boss Man to face Jake, IRS and the Natural Disasters. As a kid, I was dying for them to reinstate Savage. I know they wanted to use Savage and Jake to help sell the Tuesday in Texas PPV but it would have been cool to see Savage and Jake wrestle at the Survivor Series. I'm sure they could have come up with some good stuff to where Savage and Jake barely touched/wrestled each other in the survivor series match so that they didn't give too much away. Maybe have them both get disqualified thus leading to the match at Tuesday in Texas, sell it as the first one-on-one meeting between the two. Anyway, this was a great time to be a fan of wrestling, WWF was still going strong and WCW had some really great young talent sprinkled in with some great veterans. Good times. I believe that match happened over the Summer in Maine IIRC. And yeah they definitely could've had Mach replace Sid and have him and Jake brawl to the back thus getting counted out to build to the Texas show.They both cut great promos on the show but man I wish they both were in that elimination match. As far as this being a great time to be a fan,boy you aint kidding.Must see TV without a doubt. So many great characters/personalities.To say I miss these days would be a BIG understatement.
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Post by MKSavage on Jul 20, 2020 0:41:23 GMT -5
Was this the show that Savage wrestled the Undertaker in a dark match? He seems to be wearing the same tights. Also, it would have been awesome had they let Savage join the team of LOD and the Big Boss Man to face Jake, IRS and the Natural Disasters. As a kid, I was dying for them to reinstate Savage. I know they wanted to use Savage and Jake to help sell the Tuesday in Texas PPV but it would have been cool to see Savage and Jake wrestle at the Survivor Series. I'm sure they could have come up with some good stuff to where Savage and Jake barely touched/wrestled each other in the survivor series match so that they didn't give too much away. Maybe have them both get disqualified thus leading to the match at Tuesday in Texas, sell it as the first one-on-one meeting between the two. Anyway, this was a great time to be a fan of wrestling, WWF was still going strong and WCW had some really great young talent sprinkled in with some great veterans. Good times. I believe that match happened over the Summer in Maine IIRC. And yeah they definitely could've had Mach replace Sid and have him and Jake brawl to the back thus getting counted out to build to the Texas show.They both cut great promos on the show but man I wish they both were in that elimination match. As far as this being a great time to be a fan,boy you aint kidding.Must see TV without a doubt. So many great characters/personalities.To say I miss these days would be a BIG understatement. Something about that time, the matches, the feuds just seemed to be bigger/more important. Not sure if its because top stars rarely wrestled each other on live TV back then, so when they finally did it had a huge match feel to it. I think wrestling today needs to think about that, maybe go back to having two stars or two teams who aren't feuding with one another face each other on RAW or Smackdown, save the feuds match for PPVs.
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Post by Quazimoto on Jul 20, 2020 2:03:16 GMT -5
I believe that match happened over the Summer in Maine IIRC. And yeah they definitely could've had Mach replace Sid and have him and Jake brawl to the back thus getting counted out to build to the Texas show.They both cut great promos on the show but man I wish they both were in that elimination match. As far as this being a great time to be a fan,boy you aint kidding.Must see TV without a doubt. So many great characters/personalities.To say I miss these days would be a BIG understatement. Something about that time, the matches, the feuds just seemed to be bigger/more important. Not sure if its because top stars rarely wrestled each other on live TV back then, so when they finally did it had a huge match feel to it. I think wrestling today needs to think about that, maybe go back to having two stars or two teams who aren't feuding with one another face each other on RAW or Smackdown, save the feuds match for PPVs. There were also way less shows on TV and no internet or social media so fans weren't exposed to the on screen characters nearly as much, let alone the real people behind them, thus everything seemed more important and larger than life. It'll never happen because of the way our society operates nowadays, but I suspect that if you could roll things back and eliminate stuff like social media, internet dirt sheets, company websites, etc... and dial back on the oversaturation of shows, people would probably enjoy modern wrestling as a whole a lot more than they do. Though, one could also point to the lack of individual creativity allowances (particularly in WWE) as a big reason. Back in the day, everyone was unique. Now, they're all kind of the same with only minor differences, largely because the current machine doesn't allow for individualism as it once did. Don't know why the powers that be think that's the way to go. If you look at the boom periods for pro wrestling, they all came at times when the wrestlers were allowed to be much more unique an diverse than they are now.
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Post by JP on Jul 20, 2020 3:16:32 GMT -5
Continued my binge-watch of Brock's 2012-present matches. Last night's viewing:
Lesnar vs CM Punk - SummerSlam 2013 (I've never seen this one before - it's one of the best WWE matches of the last decade IMO) Lesnar vs Big Show - Royal Rumble 2014 Lesnar vs The Undertaker - WrestleMania XXX Lesnar vs John Cena - SummerSlam 2014 Lesnar vs John Cena - Night of Champions 2014
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Post by The Brain on Jul 20, 2020 13:26:06 GMT -5
PTW 11-18-91
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Post by MKSavage on Jul 20, 2020 20:18:03 GMT -5
Something about that time, the matches, the feuds just seemed to be bigger/more important. Not sure if its because top stars rarely wrestled each other on live TV back then, so when they finally did it had a huge match feel to it. I think wrestling today needs to think about that, maybe go back to having two stars or two teams who aren't feuding with one another face each other on RAW or Smackdown, save the feuds match for PPVs. There were also way less shows on TV and no internet or social media so fans weren't exposed to the on screen characters nearly as much, let alone the real people behind them, thus everything seemed more important and larger than life. It'll never happen because of the way our society operates nowadays, but I suspect that if you could roll things back and eliminate stuff like social media, internet dirt sheets, company websites, etc... and dial back on the oversaturation of shows, people would probably enjoy modern wrestling as a whole a lot more than they do. Though, one could also point to the lack of individual creativity allowances (particularly in WWE) as a big reason. Back in the day, everyone was unique. Now, they're all kind of the same with only minor differences, largely because the current machine doesn't allow for individualism as it once did. Don't know why the powers that be think that's the way to go. If you look at the boom periods for pro wrestling, they all came at times when the wrestlers were allowed to be much more unique an diverse than they are now. I agree, I think one of - if not the biggest - reasons why wrestling isn't as entertaining as it use to be is because of the overly scripted nature of the product. Back in the 80s and 90s, wrestlers were in charge of what they were supposed to say, they may have had bullet points they needed to meet, but it was up to them to get over. They also seemed to have more say in their own look which may be the reason why wrestlers back then looked different from one another - for the most part. Today, too many stars look similar, either in the tights they wear or the entrance gear, most seem to come to the ring with a WWE produced shirt instead of a robe or jacket or a vest or something that would make them stand out. Wrestling needs more creativity in the product. I also agree that social media and the internet are hurting wrestling. They give away too much, especially when someone is supposed to make a "surprise" appearance. I also am not a fan of breaking kayfabe in real life, to me the wrestlers need to be the characters they portray on TV. I know that wrestlers and companies want people to look at wrestlers like they do actors, they are just portraying a role on TV but in real life they are regular people, but, to me, that takes away from the character they are trying to portray on TV. One of the biggest problems with this is if a wrestler is supposed to be a evil heel on wrestling TV but in an interview on late night TV or ESPN they come off as nice or charming, it hurts the character they are supposed to portray.
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Post by MKSavage on Jul 20, 2020 20:28:50 GMT -5
That was a great segment. 6 future hall of famers on one stage at the same time. Amazing. This was also my suggestion back when Mattel was doing the epic moments sets. Three sets of 2-packs; Hogan & Flair (with the WWF and WCW world titles, the attires they were wearing and the casket with the Hogan stickers on it), Paul Bearer and Undertaker (with the funeral parlor set and the attires they were wearing), and Randy Savage and Roddy Piper (in the attires they were wearing with two steel chairs). Would have been great.
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Post by Quazimoto on Jul 20, 2020 20:31:32 GMT -5
There were also way less shows on TV and no internet or social media so fans weren't exposed to the on screen characters nearly as much, let alone the real people behind them, thus everything seemed more important and larger than life. It'll never happen because of the way our society operates nowadays, but I suspect that if you could roll things back and eliminate stuff like social media, internet dirt sheets, company websites, etc... and dial back on the oversaturation of shows, people would probably enjoy modern wrestling as a whole a lot more than they do. Though, one could also point to the lack of individual creativity allowances (particularly in WWE) as a big reason. Back in the day, everyone was unique. Now, they're all kind of the same with only minor differences, largely because the current machine doesn't allow for individualism as it once did. Don't know why the powers that be think that's the way to go. If you look at the boom periods for pro wrestling, they all came at times when the wrestlers were allowed to be much more unique an diverse than they are now. I agree, I think one of - if not the biggest - reasons why wrestling isn't as entertaining as it use to be is because of the overly scripted nature of the product. Back in the 80s and 90s, wrestlers were in charge of what they were supposed to say, they may have had bullet points they needed to meet, but it was up to them to get over. They also seemed to have more say in their own look which may be the reason why wrestlers back then looked different from one another - for the most part. Today, too many stars look similar, either in the tights they wear or the entrance gear, most seem to come to the ring with a WWE produced shirt instead of a robe or jacket or a vest or something that would make them stand out. Wrestling needs more creativity in the product. I also agree that social media and the internet are hurting wrestling. They give away too much, especially when someone is supposed to make a "surprise" appearance. I also am not a fan of breaking kayfabe in real life, to me the wrestlers need to be the characters they portray on TV. I know that wrestlers and companies want people to look at wrestlers like they do actors, they are just portraying a role on TV but in real life they are regular people, but, to me, that takes away from the character they are trying to portray on TV. One of the biggest problems with this is if a wrestler is supposed to be a evil heel on wrestling TV but in an interview on late night TV or ESPN they come off as nice or charming, it hurts the character they are supposed to portray. Totally agree with everything you said. I really miss kafabe sometimes (a lot of the time). But, I think even without it, wrestling as a whole could be a whole lot better nowadays if they would just allow more personal freedom, creativity, and diversity among their superstars. Don't get me wrong, I like a lot of the modern product and athletically speaking, it's never been better, but it is missing something and I really think it's more variety among superstars.
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Post by JP on Jul 21, 2020 3:43:50 GMT -5
Carrying on with Brock's 2012-present matches, last night's viewing:
Lesnar vs Seth Rollins vs John Cena - Royal Rumble 2015 Lesnar vs Roman Reigns - WrestleMania 31 Lesnar vs Kofi Kingston - Beast in the East Lesnar vs Seth Rollins - Battleground 2015
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Post by JP on Jul 22, 2020 3:38:50 GMT -5
Carrying on with Brock's 2012-present matches, last night's viewing:
Lesnar vs The Undertaker - SummerSlam 2015 (This made up for the clusterf**k that was WrestleMania XXX. Taker was on great form here.) Lesnar vs The Big Show - Live from Madison Square Garden Lesnar vs The Undertaker - Hell in a Cell 2015
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2020 13:05:31 GMT -5
Steamboat vs Flair Chi-town Rumble.
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Post by The Brain on Jul 22, 2020 14:28:38 GMT -5
SSeries 91 Showdown
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Post by The Brain on Jul 22, 2020 23:10:56 GMT -5
SSeries 91...''Hulkamania is dead! Long live The Undertaker!''
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Jul 22, 2020 23:30:31 GMT -5
Attachment DeletedWatching ‘Mania 9. I know Jakks made it but we need a Mattel of this HBK. One of my favorite attires of his Also, my old Hasbro Steiners are pretty lonely. Should would be nice if Mattel signed them 😁
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Post by JP on Jul 23, 2020 3:16:00 GMT -5
Carrying on with Brock's 2012-present matches, last night's viewing:
(Decided to skip the Rumble, because that's not really a Brock match - I will watch 2020 again because that definitely was a Brock match)
Lesnar vs Dean Ambrose vs Roman Reigns - Fastlane 2016 Lesnar vs Luke Harper - Roadblock 2016 (Technically this was a 2-on-1 handicap match, but Bray did f**k all, so...) Lesnar vs Dean Ambrose - WrestleMania 32 Lesnar vs Randy Orton - SummerSlam 2016 Lesnar vs Goldberg - Survivor Series 2016 (I still love everything about this match - such great storytelling.)
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Post by JP on Jul 24, 2020 12:05:06 GMT -5
Carrying on with Brock's 2012-present matches, last night's viewing:
Lesnar vs Goldberg - WrestleMania 33 Lesnar vs Samoa Joe - Great Balls of Fire 2017 Lesnar vs Roman Reigns vs Samoa Joe vs Braun Strowman - SummerSlam 2017 Lesnar vs Braun Strowman - No Mercy 2017 Lesnar vs AJ Styles - Survivor Series 2017
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Post by The Brain on Jul 24, 2020 13:35:05 GMT -5
This Tuesday in Texas
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Jul 24, 2020 14:54:43 GMT -5
This Tuesday in Texas Jake was SINISTER at that time! He straight up made me uneasy as a kid that people could be that evil but still sound smart...scary stuff haha Those are my favorite tights too only upstaged by the same tights in blue.
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Post by JP on Jul 25, 2020 3:41:55 GMT -5
Carrying on with Brock's 2012-present matches, last night's viewing:
Lesnar vs Braun Strowman vs Kane - Royal Rumble 2018 Lesnar vs Roman Reigns - WrestleMania 34 Lesnar vs Roman Reigns - Greatest Royal Rumble Lesnar vs Roman Reigns - SummerSlam 2018 Lesnar vs Braun Strowman - Crown Jewel 2018
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