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Post by jammer311 on Oct 24, 2011 14:39:05 GMT -5
I am a bit curious about what people have to say with this topic. I personally always felt that the Montreal Screw Job was a work, and that Bret really did in fact only sign a 1 year contract with the WWE when he returned in October of 96.
With that being said, I was watching old Raw's again from late 96 and all the way through till mid summer of 97 and I noticed something....
Bret Hart gets screwed a lot!
He talks about how HBK screwed him out of the WWE Title at In Your House Dec. 96.
He mentions on Raw the day after the Royal Rumble how he got screwed out of the Rumble and 'quits' the WWE.
He talks about getting screwed the day after In Your House in Feb. 97 when Sid beats him for the belt on Raw.
He talks about getting screwed by the WWE on the Raw before WM 13 after Sid beat him in the cage match.
Could it be that the whole Montreal Screw Job thing at Survivor Series was just the icing on the cake of a years story line of Bret getting 'screwed' by the WWE??
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Post by ToastMaster General on Oct 24, 2011 17:05:49 GMT -5
Ya know, you're not far off from what I always thought. But with the DVD on Shawn and Bret's feud coming out and the fact that nearly 15 years have passed and somebody somehow in that time would've come out said this was a work, I believe nowadays it was real.
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Post by Brad on Oct 24, 2011 17:34:13 GMT -5
Ya know, you're not far off from what I always thought. But with the DVD on Shawn and Bret's feud coming out and the fact that nearly 15 years have passed and somebody somehow in that time would've come out said this was a work, I believe nowadays it was real. Agreed |
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Post by jammer311 on Oct 24, 2011 17:42:16 GMT -5
I dunno, part of me still thinks it was the greatest work in wrestling history. Due to Bret being 'screwed' it enabled Vince to be the number one heel as the evil Mr. McMahon character, it helped make HBK a great heel cause he was the one who was in the match with Bret, and it helped make Steve Austin the main attraction for the WWE.
Just it seems so ironic that the entire time since he came back at Survivor Series 96 that he complained about being 'screwed' by the WWE when it came to matches, the WWE Title and his career.
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Post by ToastMaster General on Oct 24, 2011 17:52:06 GMT -5
Ironic, yes. Planned? Highly doubtful, I do believe had everything worked out in the end it would've led to Bret having a dramatic face turn and redemption in the eyes of all the fans and then Bret would've ended up as a lead-spokesmen for the WWE ala what they wanted to do with Ric Flair.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2011 18:28:06 GMT -5
I still think it was real. I have seen a lot of shoots where this comes up........and guys that were there that night too. Vader says when he heard about the finish he warned Bret(something I THINK Bret says it too)to watch his back because he had seen this happen in Japan. too much genuine drama I think for it to be a work.plus was said to have freaked to  out when he heard about Harts contract because he was there all summer 96 fighting against WCW while Bret had time off. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2011 20:49:26 GMT -5
I wish it was a work...but sadly I don't think it was.
I used to think that it might have been but with Bret coming back and everything...they would've have announced it by now. It was real.
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Post by Johnny Wrestling on Oct 24, 2011 23:40:48 GMT -5
The only thing that makes me think that it could've been a work, is the fact that there's a lot of footage from it, take for example the Wrestling with Shadows DVD, but then, I question myself, there's no way the WWE knew how well this would work in the future for Vince McMahon's character, so why would they let Bret leave with such a fan support?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2011 5:25:45 GMT -5
The only thing that makes me think that it could've been a work, is the fact that there's a lot of footage from it, take for example the Wrestling with Shadows DVD, but then, I question myself, there's no way the WWE knew how well this would work in the future for Vince McMahon's character, so why would they let Bret leave with such a fan support? thats a great point..... |
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Post by tnafan17: The Total Package on Oct 25, 2011 8:31:01 GMT -5
I think if it was a work, it would have already been leaked or told in some form. I can't wait to see the Hart/Shawn DVD due out today. But I mean truthfully, I just feel that someone would have slipped by now if it was all a work so to speak.
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Post by K5 on Oct 25, 2011 10:58:21 GMT -5
i don't think it was a work, but i think they had this planned for quite a while. bret hart was both a blessing and curse for wwe, he was over and sold well, but he wasn't exactly the type of person who agreed or would go with the attitude era. they needed him out, so they made him a whiny heel for months on end.
i've thought it was interesting too, however, how he constantly talks of being screwed throughout those years...but that could've easily been what gave vince & the backstabbing boys the idea.
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Post by Sam Hain on Oct 25, 2011 13:13:49 GMT -5
100% a work. Owen dying was not expected and screwed up the whole thing.
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Post by jammer311 on Oct 25, 2011 14:02:57 GMT -5
100% a work. Owen dying was not expected and screwed up the whole thing. I thought that too, definitely! Owen passing away under a WWE style event like that did mess up some stuff with Bret and his family and where the WWE was concerned. Another reason why I always thought that the Bret Hart 'screw job' was a work, WAS because of Hitman Hart: Wrestling With Shadows. Just seems really odd that a camera crew followed Bret around for those last few months. It just seemed like a story when you watch it now. I still say it was the greatest work ever in wrestling history. Bret Hart was scheduled to be WWE untiL December, he could have even appeared on the DX ppv. He could have easily dropped the belt on Raw. Just after watching the Bret Hart/Shawn Michaels dvd story that is out, I just feel that it's just a big work. The word "Kayfabe" goes hand in hand with "Montreal screw job." |
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Post by cordless2016 on Oct 26, 2011 22:22:36 GMT -5
No way it was a work for the simple fact that it took 13 friggin years for Bret to finally come back to WWE TV. Its no secret that Hart and HBK had a real life hatred for eachother, and no way Bret would have ever gone to WCW if he didn't have to because he knew how bad they were. He even states it in his book and he doesn't seem like a guy to sacrifice his career for more money. Bret simply wasn't going to work w/ the Attitude Era, and Vince decided to start the era at the expense of Hart. Had Owen never died, I think Bret would have come back sooner than he did, but Owen's death probably just added to Bret's hatred for Vince.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2011 23:17:12 GMT -5
I definitely think it was real. No way they keep this 'work' going this long.
You can see it in the genuine reaction of both Bret and McMahon over all the years. Especially Bret's response. To hear it, his words, no way you can fake that reaction.
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Post by jakksking1 on Oct 31, 2011 8:59:06 GMT -5
I don't see how Owen dying messed things up. He died 2 years later..... They also let the rest of the Hart family out of their contracts...
If it was a work, we would have found out by now. As everyone else said, it created the Vince Character and spawned a whole bunch of secondary effects which were positive. Whoever came up with the supposed work would have taken credit for it, as it rose the WWF at the time to enormous heights.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2011 9:28:07 GMT -5
if it was an effin work why did the Bulldog pay sop much to get out of his contract?like I say i watched too many shoots of people who were there to say it was a work.
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Post by jammer311 on Oct 31, 2011 11:16:08 GMT -5
Okay, regarding the Bulldog. His contract expired in October 1996, and he could have either signed with WCW (which he was going to, cause he was supposed to be a NWO member) for 2 million a year, or sign with WWE for 1 million a year plus a title belt. He opted to stay with the WWE for the year. He left cause his contract expired.
I just find it funny that too because Jim Neidhart was on Raw weeks after the Survivor Series incident. He even was in DX for one night with HBK and Triple H. So if it really was real, wouldn't Neidhart not do those story lines and angles, WEEKS after the Survivor Series??
Come on people, for you people thinking you are such smart marks, you are sure fooled by this.
Also, I know a pro wrestler who trained with Davey Boy Smith back in 1999 when he was getting ready for his WWE return, and he stated to my friend, and others there that the Montreal Screw Job was a work.
I just don't get how anyone could think of this as a real story line.
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Post by Stinger TNA on Oct 31, 2011 11:19:26 GMT -5
Completely real
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Post by jammer311 on Oct 31, 2011 12:05:27 GMT -5
So it is so real that it made Jim Neidhart appear weeks after the S.Series incident, also it's so real that Davey Boy Smith just had to return in 1999 to it. And don't forget about Stu Hart appearing live front row at Raw in 2001.
I just wish people could explain why it's so real to them?? What proof do you have that it's real??
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