Defining Moments 5 & Elite 11 IN STOCK NOW @ RSC!

[Defining Hitman]

Sept 15, 2011 23:51:47 GMT -5 @bashcrashwiley said:

I'm probably going to take the knee pads from Defining Moments Rock and put them on Bret since I keep the dress pants on Rock and you can't see the pads anyway.

I'm probably going to do the same thing with my EG Rock for the same reason. I do however alternate displaying my DM Rock's $500 shirt attire.

Its too bad Mattel's best knee pads are so scarce. I've needed them for so many simple fix ups.

[weatherfan15]

Well, if Bill had listened to my suggestion instead of immediately shooting it down (he must have been busy patting himself on the back about what a great idea the Gobbledy Gooker was) we'd have an accessories pack with various colors/styles of knee and elbow pads + boots. Oh well.

On a less sarcastic note, got my shipping notice Thursday night. I'm guessing the Hitman will arrive on Tuesday for me.

[Next Manufactured’s Sweater]

Sept 16, 2011 8:32:29 GMT -5 weatherfan15 said:

Well, if Bill had listened to my suggestion instead of immediately shooting it down (he must have been busy patting himself on the back about what a great idea the Gobbledy Gooker was) we'd have an accessories pack with various colors/styles of knee and elbow pads + boots. Oh well.

A pack of knee and elbow pads is a worse idea than the Gobbledy Gooker. Mattel would have to be insane to produce WWE stuff that is aimed solely at customisers.

[plastictaxicab]

Sept 16, 2011 8:35:51 GMT -5 Next Manufactured’s Sweater said:

Sept 16, 2011 8:32:29 GMT -5 weatherfan15 said:

Well, if Bill had listened to my suggestion instead of immediately shooting it down (he must have been busy patting himself on the back about what a great idea the Gobbledy Gooker was) we'd have an accessories pack with various colors/styles of knee and elbow pads + boots. Oh well.

A pack of knee and elbow pads is a worse idea than the Gobbledy Gooker. Mattel would have to be insane to produce WWE stuff that is aimed solely at customisers.

I agree 100%. If you think that is financially a good idea for Mattel, you have no idea how things work.

[Bandalero]

Did Bret ever wear pink knee pads with this gear?

wait I might have answered my question:

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Bret Hart Looks Amazing, Will have to pick up 2, 1 to keep moc and another to display loose

[The Madness]

That's the only Bret Hart figure I've ever seen that actually looks like him in the face.

[Chewdeezy]

CANT WAIT.

[Deleted]

Loving the bret
both will be mine

[JKLMD2002]

That Bret looks amazing! Can't wait to finally have him in my Mattel collection!

[Deleted]

Sept 15, 2011 17:40:28 GMT -5 Boy Wonder said:

Sept 15, 2011 16:31:02 GMT -5 Tylor said:

That's kinda scary.

What's scary about it?

John cena sporting caprre pants LOL

Can't wait for Bret to get here. Headscan looks great, the only things I would chance would be to add kneepads and give him the smaller elbow pads

[weatherfan15]

You miss the point. They simply dismiss ideas before they even explore them.

I know the typical internet forum response is to say... yes or no and that's that! Look more deeply into the topic. That's a pretty big generality.

A knee/elbow/boot pack would sell. I'm not saying to put them in Walmarts or Toys R Us, but it could be done online. Don't give me the childish answer of 'you don't know how things work.' It's supply and demand like anything else. How many people on here swap out parts? A LOT. I'm sure people probably said the same thing of retail exclusives for RSC. There's a guy on here who sells shirts/clothes for action figures. There's a guy who replicates headscans for figures. There are dozens of people who customize figures and sell them on eBay. Therefore if Joe Blow can make a profit on customized items then Mattel would be able to. Just because they refuse to listen to outside the box ideas doesn't make the idea invalid.

That's my issue with Mattel. They have the same... we know everything mentality. It's why they screw up a lot. People on this forum have better ideas than Mattel does and they get casually shot down or belittled. (I applaud all of you who fought for Ryder, Hawkins, Barretta and the Divas.) They also have a 'you're bullying us' mentality if you merely suggest that they should listen to decent ideas. Bill got all hot and bothered when they called the overall effort of the WM 28 line 'lazy.' Like it was some personal attack on his work ethic. Give me a break. It wasn't a personal attack, but when you ignore constructive criticism your bottom line will get its butt kicked by someone who does listen to consumers.

Quite frankly... even though we collect toys... people aren't stupid on this forum. It bugs me when people simply shoot down ideas because they're not their own. That is all.

[plastictaxicab]

Sept 16, 2011 14:30:51 GMT -5 weatherfan15 said:

You miss the point. They simply dismiss ideas before they even explore them.

I know the typical internet forum response is to say... yes or no and that's that! Look more deeply into the topic. That's a pretty big generality.

A knee/elbow/boot pack would sell. I'm not saying to put them in Walmarts or Toys R Us, but it could be done online. Don't give me the childish answer of 'you don't know how things work.' It's supply and demand like anything else. How many people on here swap out parts? A LOT. I'm sure people probably said the same thing of retail exclusives for RSC. There's a guy on here who sells shirts/clothes for action figures. There's a guy who replicates headscans for figures. There are dozens of people who customize figures and sell them on eBay. Therefore if Joe Blow can make a profit on customized items then Mattel would be able to. Just because they refuse to listen to outside the box ideas doesn't make the idea invalid.

That's my issue with Mattel. They have the same... we know everything mentality. It's why they screw up a lot. People on this forum have better ideas than Mattel does and they get casually shot down or belittled. (I applaud all of you who fought for Ryder, Hawkins, Barretta and the Divas.) They also have a 'you're bullying us' mentality if you merely suggest that they should listen to decent ideas. Bill got all hot and bothered when they called the overall effort of the WM 28 line 'lazy.' Like it was some personal attack on his work ethic. Give me a break. It wasn't a personal attack, but when you ignore constructive criticism your bottom line will get its butt kicked by someone who does listen to consumers.

Quite frankly... even though we collect toys... people aren't stupid on this forum. It bugs me when people simply shoot down ideas because they're not their own. That is all.

I respect your argument, but you have to consider the amount of money customizers put into stuff before reselling, and the amount of money Mattel will have to put into something to produce and sell it. If I customize a figure, you have to factor in cost of paint, sculpt, and figure parts, then the time it took me to make it and my skill level, which is easy to make a profit from a very small amount of product. But even if Mattel makes these things as RSC exclusives or something, it's still mass produced. The amount they have to pay for supplies, the amount they have to pay each individual employee that takes part in making a kneepad/elbow pad set, I think would be difficult to have a good turnaround, especially because it's something they haven't experimented with. With the way the economy is, and with some of the lines struggling, Mattel has to be very careful where they put their money. If everything they were putting out was flying off the shelves, and they were making great profit on each of the lines they have out, I can see them experimenting with something like this, but as of now, it can end up being a costly experiment.

As for the comment about the Wrestlemania line, it's a line of REPAINTS, people should expect nothing more than repaints. Calling it lazy is just ridiculous.

Now, I wouldn't be opposed to having sets like this, BUT, at this time I don't think it's a good idea. You have to consider, Wfigs/collectors are a very very small part of Mattel's profits.

[weatherfan15]

It's all good, plastictaxicab. We're all part of the collector family.

I only vent so Mattel loosens up a little.

I'm with you on the WM 28 line. I didn't think it was lazy either, but I did disagree with Bill's reaction to the label.

Enjoy your Hitman when he arrives.

[plastictaxicab]

Thanks bud, same to you.

[WCW-Figure-Fan]

Sept 16, 2011 14:30:51 GMT -5 weatherfan15 said:

You miss the point. They simply dismiss ideas before they even explore them.

That's an incredibly arrogant and ignorant thing for you to say. You presume to know how they do business because they didn't find your suggestion very persuasive? Mattel has been in the business for quite some time and actually has a lot of actual working knowledge on this subject. Knowledge you are rather spamntly presuming doesn't exist. As a point of simple fact, they have experience in bringing accessory packs to retail. They can also observe the experience Jakks had with accessory packs with inside knowledge and expertise. Accessory packs have always been a hard sell at retail, even for items with broad interest like weapons packs. An accessory pack devoted to add-on clothing for a license primarily directed at boys has no clear customer base to justify production costs.

A knee/elbow/boot pack would sell.

No it wouldn't.

Don't give me the childish answer of 'you don't know how things work.'

You think that's a childish answer? Actually, its your suggestion which betrays simple-minded thinking. You want something, so you assume it must be something that can be done. That's immature thinking. That's thinking which betrays self-importance. Pointing out your lack of any substantive or useful expertise is not childish. Trying to assert that you be held blameless for your ignorance by preemptively accusing any naysayer of childishness actually IS an act of willful naivete.

It's supply and demand like anything else. How many people on here swap out parts? A LOT. I'm sure people probably said the same thing of retail exclusives for RSC. There's a guy on here who sells shirts/clothes for action figures. There's a guy who replicates headscans for figures. There are dozens of people who customize figures and sell them on eBay. Therefore if Joe Blow can make a profit on customized items then Mattel would be able to. Just because they refuse to listen to outside the box ideas doesn't make the idea invalid.

I'm not sure you actually understand what supply and demand means. Yes, there is "demand" for stand-alone figure add-ons like knee-pads and elbow pads. That there is demand is neither a point of contention, nor at all relevant to the issue of whether Mattel should produce them. What is important is the relative size of that demand. Again, you betray self-important thinking by looking around a web forum and extrapolating that audience to be at all representative of a company's customer base. The fact is, the people on this site are a tiny percentage of Mattel's customers. They actually already listen to us on a degree entirely exaggerated compared to our actual size. And with good reason. While we may actually be a quite small number of their buyers, hard-core collectors can be cultivated quite profitably. We actually get a lot of our needs met. But there are still business realities that need to be balanced.

Yes, we do see some great retailer exclusives going to a relatively small retailer which focuses on collectors. Which is great. But, they still need to sell. Some people naively think that Ringside should offer obscure characters as exclusives. Ringside clearly knows better. Indeed, their exclusives generally focus on extremely popular wrestlers but in unique attire. That's where supply and demand can balance profitably. Sure, there is demand for lots of really obscure characters. I'd love a WWE Legends figure of Disco Inferno and I'm sure I'm not alone. But that doesn't mean there are a lot of me, either. And Ringside and Mattel actually need a LOT of people to buy something before it becomes profitable for them.

You point out some after-market options for figure customization. Its great that these places exist, but how do you think they are at all relevant to Mattel? Mattel uses economies of scale to make money. They are able to produce high-quality products by producing them in high volume, thus bringing the per unit price down. That is what they are set-up to do. That is their business. It is not a failure at thinking "outside the box" that keeps them from trying to service custom orders at high per-unit prices. Its just not the business they are in. Given their size, they have too much overhead to operate profitably on such a small scale. The price they would need to charge if they produced the items in volume to the demand would be higher than the market would bare. That's really all this comes down to. Its the same reason they aren't custom producing figure sculpts or hand-creating custom order clothing. Its not the scale their company is designed to operate. You say if Joe Blow can do something profitably, then so can Mattel. This actually just reveals how little you understand about the business world. You have a very simple understanding of reality and one which reality does not remotely support. Its okay to want something and even to ask for it. Its okay to bummed out if what you want doesn't come to pass. Its not okay to assert knowledge you don't have and accuse ignorance in the people who actually do have that knowledge. Doing so is an act of arrogance borne from ignorance and that is never a good combination. You are effectively tilting at windmills. Raging at Mattel for not operating in the world of your imagination. Rather than consider that you might not know something, you'd rather assume that actual working professionals are completely unaware of basic principles and you demean and insult them accordingly. You want to tear down others but are defensive at having your own suppositions called into question. Mattel clearly knows nothing about making toys, but don't dare you be accused of lacking expertise. Oh, no. You know how this all works. Not Mattel. Not anyone else. How dare you be accused of the lack of expertise you accuse actual experts of!

[weatherfan15]

No, you're right. Corporate Complacency and ignoring consumer requests are great ideas. Thanks for hanging onto my every word and spending your entire afternoon writing a response though.

[Joe/Smurf]

Don't care about E11 again. When is E12 shipping?!

[mikey1974]

Sept 16, 2011 14:30:51 GMT -5 weatherfan15 said:

You miss the point. They simply dismiss ideas before they even explore them.

I know the typical internet forum response is to say... yes or no and that's that! Look more deeply into the topic. That's a pretty big generality.

A knee/elbow/boot pack would sell. I'm not saying to put them in Walmarts or Toys R Us, but it could be done online. Don't give me the childish answer of 'you don't know how things work.' It's supply and demand like anything else. How many people on here swap out parts? A LOT. I'm sure people probably said the same thing of retail exclusives for RSC. There's a guy on here who sells shirts/clothes for action figures. There's a guy who replicates headscans for figures. There are dozens of people who customize figures and sell them on eBay. Therefore if Joe Blow can make a profit on customized items then Mattel would be able to. Just because they refuse to listen to outside the box ideas doesn't make the idea invalid.

That's my issue with Mattel. They have the same... we know everything mentality. It's why they screw up a lot. People on this forum have better ideas than Mattel does and they get casually shot down or belittled. (I applaud all of you who fought for Ryder, Hawkins, Barretta and the Divas.) They also have a 'you're bullying us' mentality if you merely suggest that they should listen to decent ideas. Bill got all hot and bothered when they called the overall effort of the WM 28 line 'lazy.' Like it was some personal attack on his work ethic. Give me a break. It wasn't a personal attack, but when you ignore constructive criticism your bottom line will get its butt kicked by someone who does listen to consumers.

Quite frankly... even though we collect toys... people aren't stupid on this forum. It bugs me when people simply shoot down ideas because they're not their own. That is all.

well,to be fair,they won't even produce a Title Belt Accessory pack for people who've wanted on since early 2010,which i could easily see selling out....i doubt they'd produce kneepads,elbowpads,and shirt/coat/etc. accessory packs...

[NickJ]

They Look awesome Hopefully I can get some cash soon and order them