Lithium
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Post by Lithium on May 18, 2011 20:46:49 GMT -5
If Eric Bischoff hadn't fired Steve Austin, and WCW management gave Austin the opportunity to "do what he wanted" with his character, and created his "Stone Cold" persona, do you think he would've been as successful as he was in the WWF. Or do you think he wouldn't have gone very far? (I don't mean that in a bad way, becuase I think he is a very charasmatic individual.) Just something to think about.
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Post by Rule 30 on May 18, 2011 20:49:22 GMT -5
Who knows? Wrestling would be completely different if Austin and others didn't ride the Attitude Era to victory in the WWF.
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Post by Squatch on May 18, 2011 22:37:03 GMT -5
WCW hated his idea and basically told Steve Austin that it would never work. Imagine if Stone Cold had been fighting the nWo in WCW?!?! We could have seen Steve Austin vs. Hulk Hogan several times. The WWF would have probably lost the war though unless they made it all of the way to 2000/2001 when Russo took over. Actually Russo might have not been needed at that time. Who knows? Stone Cold wouldn't be as big of a name as he is today though if he was "Stone Cold" Steve Austin in WCW.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2011 22:39:48 GMT -5
That presents the question: Would Goldberg have been a big name in WCW if Austin had been big in WCW? Austin and Goldberg have such similar physical appearances that it's hard to tell if they'd be willing to push two guys like that.
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Post by Barney Stinson on May 18, 2011 23:17:16 GMT -5
As much as I would like to say that Stone Cold would have been a success in WCW, I think it wouldn't have worked out. I don't think Hogan would have let Austin reach that level. The NWO would have killed any momentum that Austin had as Stone Cold. There were basically only 2 homegrown guys who broke through during the WCW/NWO era. DDP & Goldberg. The rest were either already established (Sting, Ric Flair, Lex Luger) or were established guys jumping from WWF (Hall, Nash, Piper, Bret Hart, Savage, etc.) Just look at how WCW used Bret Hart. Any momentum gained from the Montreal Screwjob was squandered instantly just so Hart could play second fiddle to Hogan rather than oppose him. If Stone Cold was dropped in WCW's lap at the time it would have been destroyed by Hogan.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on May 18, 2011 23:24:12 GMT -5
On the Rise & Fall of WCW DVD, Goldberg says that when he went to WCW he was really close to signing with WWF instead.
I think if WCW had kept Steve Austin and allowed him to do the whole Stone Cold gimmick there, that when Goldberg was looking to get into wrestling WCW probably would have passed on him because they would have already had Austin, who has essentially the same look.
Same way why when WWF was talking Goldberg they were not as willing to give him a guaranteed contract because they already had Austin.....WCW was looking for a lightning in a bottle star to counter WWF's Austin so they were more willing to bring him in to the Power Plant and see what he had.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on May 18, 2011 23:28:17 GMT -5
As much as I would like to say that Stone Cold would have been a success in WCW, I think it wouldn't have worked out. I don't think Hogan would have let Austin reach that level. The NWO would have killed any momentum that Austin had as Stone Cold. There were basically only 2 homegrown guys who broke through during the WCW/NWO era. DDP & Goldberg. The rest were either already established (Sting, Ric Flair, Lex Luger) or were established guys jumping from WWF (Hall, Nash, Piper, Bret Hart, Savage, etc.) Just look at how WCW used Bret Hart. Any momentum gained from the Montreal Screwjob was squandered instantly just so Hart could play second fiddle to Hogan rather than oppose him. If Stone Cold was dropped in WCW's lap at the time it would have been destroyed by Hogan. I don't agree with you because Hogan never had a problem with Goldberg. Hogan agreed to drop the belt to Goldberg on NITRO in a match that only had 3 days buildup. If Austin got over with the fans as much as Goldberg did, I think Hogan would have done the same for him as he did for Goldberg. That's one thing the fans need to realize about Hogan....is yeah, he will hold some guys down and screw with people, but he's a smart business man and it's ALL about the money. That's why Hogan agreed to go heel with the nWo, that's why he didn't squash Goldberg, because Hogan knows when something is going to make money for the company, and for HIM. |
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Post by K5 on May 19, 2011 9:33:34 GMT -5
no. there was simply too much star power in wcw to try and make a go of it.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2011 10:36:55 GMT -5
never in a million years. 1)Austins growth couldnt have happened in that time period of WCW 2)they seen  all in Austin....and neither did Hogan.Austin was jobbed out perenially to Hogan camp cronies Duggan and Nasty Boys(famous story about that) 3)Austins character would never have been allowed to go as far as he did flipping the bird etc on Turner TV-this has been stated several times. a lot of people dont know who Bonnie Hammer is... and she never gets any credit for the Austin character but she certainly deserves it. due to USA request Hammer helped WWF creative streamline their TV and create "highpoints"in the show.....Hammer(a very savvy TV head)seen Austin was where the money was even when HBK was champ.it was her idea to creat these highpoints that usually revolved around Austin and/or his feuds. |
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Post by K5 on May 19, 2011 10:56:29 GMT -5
a lot of people dont know who Bonnie Hammer is... and she never gets any credit for the Austin character but she certainly deserves it. due to USA request Hammer helped WWF creative streamline their TV and create "highpoints"in the show.....Hammer(a very savvy TV head)seen Austin was where the money was even when HBK was champ.it was her idea to creat these highpoints that usually revolved around Austin and/or his feuds. interesting, i haven't read nor remembered of her in years. |
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Post by Barney Stinson on May 19, 2011 11:07:16 GMT -5
As much as I would like to say that Stone Cold would have been a success in WCW, I think it wouldn't have worked out. I don't think Hogan would have let Austin reach that level. The NWO would have killed any momentum that Austin had as Stone Cold. There were basically only 2 homegrown guys who broke through during the WCW/NWO era. DDP & Goldberg. The rest were either already established (Sting, Ric Flair, Lex Luger) or were established guys jumping from WWF (Hall, Nash, Piper, Bret Hart, Savage, etc.) Just look at how WCW used Bret Hart. Any momentum gained from the Montreal Screwjob was squandered instantly just so Hart could play second fiddle to Hogan rather than oppose him. If Stone Cold was dropped in WCW's lap at the time it would have been destroyed by Hogan. I don't agree with you because Hogan never had a problem with Goldberg. Hogan agreed to drop the belt to Goldberg on NITRO in a match that only had 3 days buildup. If Austin got over with the fans as much as Goldberg did, I think Hogan would have done the same for him as he did for Goldberg. That's one thing the fans need to realize about Hogan....is yeah, he will hold some guys down and screw with people, but he's a smart business man and it's ALL about the money. That's why Hogan agreed to go heel with the nWo, that's why he didn't squash Goldberg, because Hogan knows when something is going to make money for the company, and for HIM. Maybe I was being too specific when I said Hogan, when I meant the NWO, but mainly Hogan. Yes while it is true that Hogan did drop the title to Goldberg with 3 days build up, it was only an isolated incident. I give him credit for it knowing it was the right thing to do at the time. But one of the reasons why Goldberg shot up so fast was that he was wisely kept away from any feuds with the NWO. Had Goldberg & Hogan been feuding instead of having one match on Nitro to pop a rating, things may have been a little different. I'm not saying Hogan still wouldn't have jobbed that night, but he would have gotten Goldberg back. While the NWO was a really cool gimmick, they were TOO dominant for their own good. Everybody who feuded with them pretty much came out on the losing end. It got to the point where there was no one left and they started feuding with themselves. I can count the number of clean jobs Hogan did during the NWO period on one hand and still have fingers left over. Look at what happened in the end of 98 beginning of 99 when Goldberg had run ins with the NWO. He ended up beaten down and spray painted like everyone else and lost some of his aura. He was never the same after the loss to Nash and feud that went nowhere with the NWO. With Austin, He was floundering as Stone Cold until KOTR and continued to Flounder until Bret Hart Came Back. 3 key components turned him into the megastar he became. The Austin 3:16 promo put him on the map The Feud with Bret Hart made him a star, and the feud with Vince McMahon put him over the top. I don't think that same turn of events would have happened in WCW. I just don't think it would have made it that far. I don't think Hogan would have been able to make Austin a star the way Bret Hart did. It would be the same if Goldberg went to WWF from the beginning. He would have never gotten the undefeated streak and got over that fast. Would he have become a star? Possibly. But not in the same fashion. While I think you make good points. It's all about timing and right place, right time. I don't think either would have worked out if they were in different companies. |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2011 13:19:48 GMT -5
a lot of people dont know who Bonnie Hammer is... and she never gets any credit for the Austin character but she certainly deserves it. due to USA request Hammer helped WWF creative streamline their TV and create "highpoints"in the show.....Hammer(a very savvy TV head)seen Austin was where the money was even when HBK was champ.it was her idea to creat these highpoints that usually revolved around Austin and/or his feuds. interesting, i haven't read nor remembered of her in years. yeah Bonnie has to be one of the unsung heroes of lifting Vince from his dark times.I remember the shift in WWfs TV focus in fall 96........it was more storyline driven and became slowly but surely great TV as well as a wrestling program IMO |
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Post by done on May 19, 2011 13:24:23 GMT -5
WCW would still be here WWE may (but would be getting TNA views)
Owen may of one the WWF title at WM 98' instead of Austin because of his push - The rest of the hart's and Owen would still be alive because they would of been in a different angle which pushed them away from being hated out of the WWF
The Chris Benoit and the rest would of stayed in WCW and many more things...
But you never know!
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Post by acedaniels on May 19, 2011 22:20:57 GMT -5
I dont see it as working as in WCW he would still be looked at by fans as a mid carder. In WWF he had a fresh start and a fresh face.
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Post by ratedextreme on May 20, 2011 9:47:10 GMT -5
WCW hated his idea and basically told Steve Austin that it would never work. Imagine if Stone Cold had been fighting the nWo in WCW?!?! We could have seen Steve Austin vs. Hulk Hogan several times. The WWF would have probably lost the war though unless they made it all of the way to 2000/2001 when Russo took over. Actually Russo might have not been needed at that time. Who knows? Stone Cold wouldn't be as big of a name as he is today though if he was "Stone Cold" Steve Austin in WCW. the fact he was feuding Hogan, he would have been buried a long time ago,and the character would have no chance |
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Post by K5 on May 20, 2011 10:16:50 GMT -5
it's not like he took ecw to the top while he was there, albeit he was more of a speaker than anything.
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on May 21, 2011 18:23:39 GMT -5
never in a million years. 1)Austins growth couldnt have happened in that time period of WCW 2)they seen all in Austin....and neither did Hogan.Austin was jobbed out perenially to Hogan camp cronies Duggan and Nasty Boys(famous story about that) 3)Austins character would never have been allowed to go as far as he did flipping the bird etc on Turner TV-this has been stated several times. a lot of people dont know who Bonnie Hammer is... and she never gets any credit for the Austin character but she certainly deserves it. due to USA request Hammer helped WWF creative streamline their TV and create "highpoints"in the show.....Hammer(a very savvy TV head)seen Austin was where the money was even when HBK was champ.it was her idea to creat these highpoints that usually revolved around Austin and/or his feuds. USA Network giving the WWF carte blanche was one main factor that led to the WWF's success in the late-90's. The Attitude Era was one time period that happened at the right time. Notice a shift in the product after the 1996 King Of The Ring. Even though those changes got off to a slow start, things didn't really pick up till WrestleMania 13. The 'Stone Cold' persona wouldn't have worked in WCW. One primary reason is it wouldn't have fit into the landscape of WCW. WCW was all about using former WWF stars and not creating new guys into the main event scene. One has to remember, Vince McMahon is more into creating new stars versus Eric Bichoff using already established stars as the main players. The WWF creating new stars and personas sich as Stone Cold, The Rock, and Triple H ensured the good state of health the WWF had in the 90's. |
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Post by Da Iceman on May 22, 2011 1:24:38 GMT -5
I don't agree with you because Hogan never had a problem with Goldberg. Hogan agreed to drop the belt to Goldberg on NITRO in a match that only had 3 days buildup. Hogan was such a great business man he agreed to drop the belt on free TV instead of building the biggest match-up they had at the time for a PPV. Makes sense |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2011 7:25:58 GMT -5
No, wCw wouldn't give him as much of a push, and it just wouldn't work
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Post by greenjack1992 on May 22, 2011 9:40:21 GMT -5
I just couldn't imagine it in WCW, he wouldn't have been able to grow with the likes of Hogan, Nash, Savage, Hall, Sting, Luger and Flair knocking about.
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