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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2011 4:47:20 GMT -5
it cost Smith a fortune to walk away after Montreal. I thought Smith/Neidhart were granted releases from their contract, but not Owen. That's what I've always read anyway. well maybe Im wrong.I knew Neidhart was granted a release for sure but I thought DBS had to buy his way out? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2011 5:01:38 GMT -5
yeah you lads are correct.DBS and Neidhart were granted quick releases but Vince wouldnt release Owen dud to contract obligations.
apparently after Owen cooled down etc and fulfilled all obligations and such he decided himslef to stick with Vince doubting WCW would use him correctly(by this time he seen how Bret and DBS were being used)
Bret also said that Bischoff would not have matched Owens contract with Vince.
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Post by Raine on Mar 28, 2011 7:16:27 GMT -5
It cost Bulldog $150,000 to get out of his contract in 1997. Read somewhere he had to sell his Hart Foundation jacket & british flag at auction to raise funds
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2011 10:33:31 GMT -5
Who knows, maybe Owen would have jumped ship too, to be with Bret in WCW. Owen wanted to jump ship after the screwjob but it would have crippled him financially to do so and Bret talked him out of it.presumably this situation was long term.several wrestlers on thier shoots say that Owen was just biding his time and saving his money until his contarct ran out so he could retire. it cost Smith a fortune to walk away after Montreal. Actually, Bret was willing to pay owen's release, however Vince Russo phoned Bret and asked him about his plans, about 5 minutes later he got a phone call from Vince Mcmahon telling Bret that if he interfered with Owen's contract he'd "sue him (bret) with a smile on his face". Davey payed off his contract, and Jim who didn't have a permanent contract (at that point, although the wwe offered him one with a considerable push) had to be humiliated by DX before he could leave. I wish Jim and Bulldog had stayed in wwe. Jim would have his push, and Bulldog and Owen would probably still be alive (no Blue Blazer gimmick, no trap door back injury for Davey boy). Bischoff offered Owen ALOT more money than Vince had, but Vince needed to keep Owen, he knew a Hart Foundation vs NWO fued would have bled him dry. |
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Post by K5 on Mar 28, 2011 13:04:44 GMT -5
oh my god, if they brought in the hart foundation to 'execute' the nwo, that would've been way too perfect.
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Post by June on Mar 28, 2011 13:18:15 GMT -5
Owen wanted to jump ship after the screwjob but it would have crippled him financially to do so and Bret talked him out of it.presumably this situation was long term.several wrestlers on thier shoots say that Owen was just biding his time and saving his money until his contarct ran out so he could retire. it cost Smith a fortune to walk away after Montreal. Actually, Bret was willing to pay owen's release, however Vince Russo phoned Bret and asked him about his plans, about 5 minutes later he got a phone call from Vince Mcmahon telling Bret that if he interfered with Owen's contract he'd "sue him (bret) with a smile on his face". Davey payed off his contract, and Jim who didn't have a permanent contract (at that point, although the wwe offered him one with a considerable push) had to be humiliated by DX before he could leave. I wish Jim and Bulldog had stayed in wwe. Jim would have his push, and Bulldog and Owen would probably still be alive (no Blue Blazer gimmick, no trap door back injury for Davey boy). Bischoff offered Owen ALOT more money than Vince had, but Vince needed to keep Owen, he knew a Hart Foundation vs NWO fued would have bled him dry. A considerable push for Niedhart. That made me laugh out loud rather violently. ;D But back on topic, Jarrett left to WCW because he wanted to be a big fish in a sinking ship, rather than a mid-carder for life in the WWF. |
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Post by Bartman on Mar 28, 2011 13:28:00 GMT -5
oh my god, if they brought in the hart foundation to 'execute' the nwo, that would've been way too perfect. oh man, Hart Foundation vs nWo would have been amazing. I love how theres so many stories regarding Owen/Davey/Neidhart's release. All of them interesting. And yeah, I'm sure a push for Neidhart would not have went anywhere anyway. Owen was promised a World Title run that never came about. If I'm not mistaken, he was told that he was going to take the title from HBK at I think the Rumble. |
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Post by The Sexy Psychotic on Mar 28, 2011 14:19:41 GMT -5
oh my god, if they brought in the hart foundation to 'execute' the nwo, that would've been way too perfect. oh man, Hart Foundation vs nWo would have been amazing. I love how theres so many stories regarding Owen/Davey/Neidhart's release. All of them interesting. And yeah, I'm sure a push for Neidhart would not have went anywhere anyway. Owen was promised a World Title run that never came about. If I'm not mistaken, he was told that he was going to take the title from HBK at I think the Rumble. That would explain his insane pounding on Michaels at IYH:DX, man to this day I still say that Owen was really knocking  out of Michaels. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2011 14:27:42 GMT -5
oh my god, if they brought in the hart foundation to 'execute' the nwo, that would've been way too perfect. oh man, Hart Foundation vs nWo would have been amazing. I love how theres so many stories regarding Owen/Davey/Neidhart's release. All of them interesting. And yeah, I'm sure a push for Neidhart would not have went anywhere anyway. Owen was promised a World Title run that never came about. If I'm not mistaken, he was told that he was going to take the title from HBK at I think the Rumble. Owen wasn't told anything of the sort, it was always the plan to have Austin win the title from shawn (or shamrock). |
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Mar 28, 2011 18:31:11 GMT -5
Austin had a choice, who to pick as his next feud opponent for Summerslam 1999, it was from HHH, Jarrett or Billy Gunn. Obviously he chose Tripper not seeing the other 2 as top tier guys. The rest is history. Yup. Rightfully so. I always felt Jeff Jarrett was terribly overrated. Was never anything special in the ring or on the mic for that matter. |
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Post by Bartman on Mar 28, 2011 20:04:47 GMT -5
oh man, Hart Foundation vs nWo would have been amazing. I love how theres so many stories regarding Owen/Davey/Neidhart's release. All of them interesting. And yeah, I'm sure a push for Neidhart would not have went anywhere anyway. Owen was promised a World Title run that never came about. If I'm not mistaken, he was told that he was going to take the title from HBK at I think the Rumble. Owen wasn't told anything of the sort, it was always the plan to have Austin win the title from shawn (or shamrock). It's really back to what I said earlier about different stories I've read in the past. Whether he was supposed to win the title or not, at the very least , numerous reports I've encountered in the past state he was promised a big push that never came to fruition due to backstage politics (HBK & HHH). |
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Post by STJ on Mar 30, 2011 1:21:44 GMT -5
He said he did not want to put over China and WCW was giving him more money. Just watch his TNA dvd he talks about it.
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Post by Tyler Black on Mar 30, 2011 11:03:26 GMT -5
Basicaly Russo promised him big money, a big push, and a world title. As stated before, he'd rather be a big fish on a sinking ship than a midcarder for life
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Post by cordless2016 on May 28, 2011 0:17:17 GMT -5
he left because the guy that kept him on TV and kept pushing him with McMahon was leaving. Russo suggested JJ for big things in summer 99 as stated above. first to win KOTR then to challenge Austin(and defeat him cleanly at SS99)  Austin said no way and Vince was already looking in HHHs direction because of the superior heel heat he had been getting since WM15. Vince decided to give Gunn the W at KOTR 99 to build him up to top level status too but as we know it didnt stick. Owen Harts death had nothing to do with JJ leaving.he and Russo had it well planned out....his demands the night before No Mercy are well documented Even if Jarrett had won the KOTR, I doubt that he would have ever gone over Austin cleanly at SummerSlam(HHH didn't even get that as rumor has it that Foley won the match becuase Austin didn't want to job to Hunter). It's been documented that Austin held a grudge against Jarrett, just like he did w/ Owen, and thats why Jarrett never got a fair shot at the main event scene. Vince owed Jarrett bonus money from over the years and Jarrett has said that he only demanded the money that he was owed. Vince payed him, Jarrett did the job like he was asked to, and went to WCW. It's sad Austin never allowed him a shot at the main event because his "Don't Piss Me Off" gimmick was over pretty well. Had he stayed w/ the WWF I'm sure he'd have won atleast one or two world titles, especially w/ the whole brand split thing 3 years later. |
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Post by ratedextreme on May 31, 2011 11:18:15 GMT -5
oh my god, if they brought in the hart foundation to 'execute' the nwo, that would've been way too perfect. that would have given wcw a storyline to run through 99 |
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Post by Infinite on May 31, 2011 11:42:58 GMT -5
Man, I love Austin, but I think he gets off pretty lightly in terms of having a reputation for holding people down and politicking, especially considering the amount of crap guys like Hogan and Michaels get for it.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2011 12:36:17 GMT -5
Man, I love Austin, but I think he gets off pretty lightly in terms of having a reputation for holding people down and politicking, especially considering the amount of crap guys like Hogan and Michaels get for it. thats because he did very little of it compared to HBK and Hogan.HHH too. plus Hogan and HHH commited atrocities in this area.Austin didnt. he said it wasnt believable for Jarrett to beat him cleanly in 99-he was 100% correct. |
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Post by Jimmy on May 31, 2011 12:38:29 GMT -5
Man, I love Austin, but I think he gets off pretty lightly in terms of having a reputation for holding people down and politicking, especially considering the amount of crap guys like Hogan and Michaels get for it. In his defense though he only held down career midcarders like Billy Gunn and Jeff Jarrett. |
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Post by cordless2016 on May 31, 2011 12:41:39 GMT -5
Man, I love Austin, but I think he gets off pretty lightly in terms of having a reputation for holding people down and politicking, especially considering the amount of crap guys like Hogan and Michaels get for it. I agree 100%. I'm a huge Austin fan, but people seem to forget that Austin held grudges against Owen and Jeff, which is most likely a big reason as to why they never got a shot at the main event. Then in 2002, Austin refused to put over Brock Lesnar. After he refused to put over Lesnar, he requested a feud w/ Eddie Guerrero, but after hearing that Vince wanted him to put over Eddie, Austin refused and we all know how he walked out on the WWE soon after. I'm a big Austin fan, but he politiced backstage just as much as anybody else. It seems like The Rock and Mick Foley were the only two top stars to never have a problem w/ putting anybody over(atleast I've never heard of these two ever having a problem like that). |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2011 12:42:41 GMT -5
Man, I love Austin, but I think he gets off pretty lightly in terms of having a reputation for holding people down and politicking, especially considering the amount of crap guys like Hogan and Michaels get for it. In his defense though he only held down career midcarders like Billy Gunn and Jeff Jarrett. and at that he didnt really hold them down.Vince had 3 options for Summerslam 99 HHH Gunn JJ HHH won out because of the outright hatred he was inspiring after destroying DX.Gunn got the KOTR but floundered......and JJ was never really in the running. as I said in the start of this thread JJ jumped ship because his pal promised him big things in WCW. |
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