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Post by Lucas Legacy on Feb 26, 2011 23:22:51 GMT -5
If you were able to go back in time and run WCW, what point in WCW would you go to? When do you think WCW started to go downhill? When do you think would be the best tim to take over?
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Post by slappy on Feb 26, 2011 23:38:13 GMT -5
It wouldn't have mattered if WCW was the greatest thing on Earth. AOL wanted nothing to do with it. Nothing could have saved it.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Feb 26, 2011 23:44:19 GMT -5
It wouldn't have mattered if WCW was the greatest thing on Eart. AOL wanted nothing to do with it. Nothing could have saved it. Sad but true.... And holy crapIm agreeing with Slappy?  ? FIRST. I would have kept Vince Russo away, so the final years of WCW were better, and not laughable. Mike" The Fat Chick Thriller" Awesome? WOW......To many to name. |
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Post by Johnny Lawrence - Cobra Kai on Feb 27, 2011 1:01:19 GMT -5
Slappy's right re: AOL... however, strictly in terms of "saving" the WCW product from going downhill, you'd want to show up before it started sliding.
Early 1997 at the latest, I think. That way you take over when ratings are still great and the WWF hasn't gone into full-on juggernaut mode with Austin, Bret, HBK, etc. So it would give you a little time to come up with something great, figure out which young guys to push, etc.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Feb 27, 2011 2:48:46 GMT -5
1988. Ted Turner had money but no real vision of how to run a wrestling company. He let guys like Bischoff and Hogan throw his money away and eventually kill WCW.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2011 6:27:10 GMT -5
It wouldn't have mattered if WCW was the greatest thing on Earth. AOL wanted nothing to do with it. Nothing could have saved it. thats more or less it Im afraid.they were delighted WCW was in the toilet it gave them the perfect excuse to can it. the rot in WCW is often attributed to Jan 4 1999 and the fingerpoke of Doom but that was just the end result of a long period of stuff(that was popular)but was shortsighted in terms of planning. |
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Post by candygallows on Feb 27, 2011 10:35:52 GMT -5
It wouldn't have mattered if WCW was the greatest thing on Earth. AOL wanted nothing to do with it. Nothing could have saved it. thats more or less it Im afraid.they were delighted WCW was in the toilet it gave them the perfect excuse to can it. the rot in WCW is often attributed to Jan 4 1999 and the fingerpoke of Doom but that was just the end result of a long period of stuff(that was popular)but was shortsighted in terms of planning. Even though I really liked the last few years of WCW; everything above sounds EXACTLY right for it going downhill. |
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Post by motleyspoisongun on Feb 27, 2011 15:41:44 GMT -5
It wouldn't have mattered if WCW was the greatest thing on Earth. AOL wanted nothing to do with it. Nothing could have saved it. This The only way WCW could've been saved was is AOL wanted something to do with it, they just sat back & watched it kill itself |
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Post by K5 on Feb 27, 2011 21:51:25 GMT -5
i would be the person who came in instead of vince russo.
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Post by 500DaysofNight on Feb 28, 2011 1:25:28 GMT -5
They got careless over the last couple years they were around. The product got stupid and the fans turned away in droves. The business hasn't been the same since. I really, truly think that AOL would've kept them around if they hadn't of lost so much money and just stayed steady in the ratings. Cause really, they went from continuously beating the WWE like a scalded dog, to literally bleeding money out of every orifice and the ratings dropped to sickening levels.
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Post by gforce on Feb 28, 2011 9:57:25 GMT -5
The only way you could have saved WCW was to turn a profit. AOL did shut down WCW but they shut them down because they were a money pit that was losing millions. The only problem is with all the enormous contracts and money payouts that WCW had on the books (Hogan, Nash, Hall, Sting, Flair, Goldberg etc) there wasnt any humanly possible way for them to make a profit.
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Post by LA Times on Feb 28, 2011 13:33:45 GMT -5
1999 before Vince Russo came on board. AOL would not mind keeping WCW if the company was turning a profit.
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Post by zombiesnake on Mar 1, 2011 14:37:02 GMT -5
Starrcade '97. If you wanted to save WCW, then the first thing you have to do is save that main event. If you turn that around and have Sting go over Hogan clean, then you can start to turn the whole nWo thing before it got out of control with beating everyone down all the time and every different flavor of nWo.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2011 18:54:45 GMT -5
Starrcade '97. If you wanted to save WCW, then the first thing you have to do is save that main event. If you turn that around and have Sting go over Hogan clean, then you can start to turn the whole nWo thing before it got out of control with beating everyone down all the time and every different flavor of nWo. yeah you could track it back that far.Sting wasnt allowed to go over Hogan clean at Starrcade or Superbrawl......he was relegated out the main event after(while still champ)then the tag title scene then a bit part player in the Wolfpac. |
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Post by Juba on Mar 1, 2011 19:29:18 GMT -5
94 when hogan signed the contract.
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Post by redypiper on Mar 2, 2011 12:37:57 GMT -5
if crockett had stuck with his fanbase and not tried to compete with mcmahon it would have worked.
''if we had stayed between baltimore and chicago we'd still be in buisiness today'' Ric Flair on the Rise & Fall of WCW.
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Post by eddie eddie on Mar 2, 2011 12:44:26 GMT -5
right before Kevin Nash defeated Goldberg and afterwards.
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Post by mikey1974 on Mar 7, 2011 14:05:19 GMT -5
Starrcade '97. If you wanted to save WCW, then the first thing you have to do is save that main event. If you turn that around and have Sting go over Hogan clean, then you can start to turn the whole nWo thing before it got out of control with beating everyone down all the time and every different flavor of nWo. this,100% ...unless you were there at the time,you can't understand just how HYPED this whole thing was...a YEAR of buildup to Sting-Hogan,and the match just fell completely flat...from Hogan,really,not doing anything out of the ordinary to make it a great match to Sting blowing up and sucking wind 5 minutes into it, to the absolutely confucing, F-You to everyone finish that saw Hogan CLEANLY PIN Sting ,only for Hart to come out,declare the result null and void,and take over the match as referee himself allowing Sting to get the Scorpion Deathlock on Hogan and win the title....only for it to be held up shortly thereafter anyway.... the undercard didn't help any either,starting with an also much-hyped Giant-Nash match that never took place... like you said,that should've been the beginning of the end for the nWo...have Sting beat Hogan at 2 consecutive PPV's (cleanly) ,then have him be kicked out of the nWo for not having the killer instinct anymore....then over the next several months the group self-destructs and disbands....instead,they just created a bunch of nWo factions....for chrissakes,in Jan. 2000 there was STILL an nWo in WCW !!! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2011 15:44:01 GMT -5
instead,they just created a bunch of nWo factions....for chrissakes,in Jan. 2000 there was STILL an nWo in WCW !!! yeah nWo "silver" ::)now that was one heck of a pale faction that lasted what?a month? |
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Post by mikey1974 on Mar 7, 2011 17:59:25 GMT -5
yeah...who was that? i think Hart,Nash,Hall,and...Jarrett?
but the geral concept being that the ran the nWo into the ground,and this hurt as well.... up until the Starrcade 97 fiasco,WCW had ALL momentum... but once that PPV came off like shit,it started to snowball....and rather than try something new to turn things around,they just went back to the same old - shove the nWo down everyone's throats,and make Hogan the champ again......
they did something smart in the summer of 1998,and that was go up against the WWF's #1 draw,Austin, with their #1 draw,Goldberg,as World Champion...and,indeed,they won a couple more Nitro-Raw head to head's after that....but then they killed all "POTENTIAL" momentum they were starting to build towards with the Finger Poke of Doom ....after that it became a joke,and they devalued the World Title considerably with stunts like that, a horrible Flair-Hogan cage match,David Arquette , various other wrestlers lying down in the ring... by then,it was too late,and WCW looked like bush-league wrestling again...
but Starrcade was the shatter point...change one thing,a clean Sting win that gives him an actual lengthy reign,at a time when he was THE hottest guy in the company ,and you could potentially be looking at a massive historical change.... sadly,for them,ego's and political alliances won out over common sense and good storytelling...
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