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Post by The Undertaker on Feb 21, 2011 0:14:33 GMT -5
Another thing that I think is really important to take into consideration is the perspective from which we're judging this Miz/Cena match. Internally, and I use that word to refer to the average, "educated" fan, including the online community, The Miz vs. John Cena doesn't quite seem like a Wrestlemania main event. This is all relative to build and preference, of course, but I digress. While occasionally it behoves WWE to look at things from that internal perspective and aim to please its core fan base, Wrestlemania is not, and has never been one of those times. Wrestlemania is about allusions of grandeur, a larger than life atmosphere and whoring out the product to every aspect of the media during the one time of year where nearly the entire country, just for a moment, recognizes WWE as a legitimate product simply because of the sheer size of Wrestlemania. Externally, and I use that term to include the casual fan base, the young fan base and most importantly, the general media within the realm of pop culture, are not at all concerned with whether this guy is being used properly or whether this combination is going to produce the best match possible. They're concerned with what they can promote, hype and sell to whoever will listen on paper. WWE approaches Wrestlemania from this perspective because this is how a company makes money. John Cena is a public figure. The average person who is in tune with pop culture will know, or have a general recognition of John Cena. The same goes for The Miz. In the public eye, this match is huge. They may be the only two names an outsider knows. TMZ is going to gobble this up, and so WWE has already won. If TMZ posts an article tomorrow morning mentioning the outcome of the Chamber, and that Cena/Miz is headlining Wrestlemania, WWE has already reaped the benefits and drew someone in to replace those of you who are turned off by the idea of the match. Throw The Rock into the mix in any sort of viable capacity, and it just gets bigger. There are times when I sit back and wonder what WWE is thinking, both from the "internal" and "external" perspective I give, but in this scenario, they know exactly what they're doing, and they're doing it well. I agree. Very well said.
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Post by cattlemutilation on Feb 21, 2011 0:16:17 GMT -5
J12, do you know women? I just asked every female in my house right now (including my fiancee, who is typically with me when I watch wrestling), and none of them know who John Cena is.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2011 0:35:07 GMT -5
I am sick to death of seeing people say "Cena sells, so it works."
No, it doesn't... Cena selling a few t-shirts doesn't equal good television. Seriously, everybody... just don't buy Wrestlemania. Don't put money into their hands and convince them they're doing a good job, we all know they aren't.
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Post by cattlemutilation on Feb 21, 2011 0:41:55 GMT -5
I am sick to death of seeing people say "Cena sells, so it works." No, it doesn't... Cena selling a few t-shirts doesn't equal good television. Cena should have been off WWE TV, selling his "fired" angle, before returning at the Rumble to face the WWE Champion, Wade Barrett. But WWE just couldn't afford to lose a few t-shirts... seriously, everybody... just don't buy Wrestlemania. Don't put money into their hands and convince them they're doing a good job, we all know they aren't. Don't buy a PPV? How will I ever do th-- Oh right. Since I started watching again since the Royal Rumble last year, not a single PPV has been worth the price tag.
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Post by gordon on Feb 21, 2011 0:43:27 GMT -5
I am sick to death of seeing people say "Cena sells, so it works." No, it doesn't... Cena selling a few t-shirts doesn't equal good television. Seriously, everybody... just don't buy Wrestlemania. Don't put money into their hands and convince them they're doing a good job, we all know they aren't. Okay, you need to stop telling us what we all know. Cena being in the main event doesn't necessarily mean bad television either.
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Post by Phantom on Feb 21, 2011 0:48:58 GMT -5
I loved the yay-boo back & forth Cena and Orton did. Orton was on the yay side, it shows who the crowd likes more. The kids probably had no idea what was going on though.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2011 0:58:43 GMT -5
I am sick to death of seeing people say "Cena sells, so it works." No, it doesn't... Cena selling a few t-shirts doesn't equal good television. Seriously, everybody... just don't buy Wrestlemania. Don't put money into their hands and convince them they're doing a good job, we all know they aren't. Okay, you need to stop telling us what we all know. Cena being in the main event doesn't necessarily mean bad television either. No, Cena winning all the time means it's bad television. Cena can be in the main event all he wants, and if he is as popular as they say he is, the child fanbase won't care that he has a few losses under his belt. If anything, it will make them support him THAT much more, AND won't make the adult fanbase sick of his face.
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Post by cattlemutilation on Feb 21, 2011 1:02:40 GMT -5
As it was previously noted, Cena hasn't held the belt since spring-ish last year. (Since June, now that I checked) Love him or hate him, you know WWE would put the belt back on him for awhile soon.
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Post by Joey Cush on Feb 21, 2011 1:05:00 GMT -5
J12, do you know women? I just asked every female in my house right now (including my fiancee, who is typically with me when I watch wrestling), and none of them know who John Cena is. so your fiancee who, is "typically with you when you watch wrestling" doesnt know who John Cena is? I find that hard to believe. I was in computer class last year and these girls were talking about hot celebrities, they brought up Cena and wouldnt stop figuratively sucking his cock.
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Post by juicewinslow on Feb 21, 2011 1:16:43 GMT -5
J12, do you know women? I just asked every female in my house right now (including my fiancee, who is typically with me when I watch wrestling), and none of them know who John Cena is. so your fiancee who, is "typically with you when you watch wrestling" doesnt know who John Cena is? I find that hard to believe. I was in computer class last year and these girls were talking about hot celebrities, they brought up Cena and wouldnt stop figuratively sucking his cock. Whenever I bring up wrestling around females, they always tell me how "Cena is so hot". And they all remember Miz from Real World... "isn't that Mike from Real World?"
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Post by cjskittles4 on Feb 21, 2011 1:16:57 GMT -5
Okay, you need to stop telling us what we all know. Cena being in the main event doesn't necessarily mean bad television either. No, Cena winning all the time means it's bad television. Cena can be in the main event all he wants, and if he is as popular as they say he is, the child fanbase won't care that he has a few losses under his belt. If anything, it will make them support him THAT much more, AND won't make the adult fanbase sick of his face. Cena winning it all the time makes it predictable plain and simple
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Post by cattlemutilation on Feb 21, 2011 1:19:58 GMT -5
J12, do you know women? I just asked every female in my house right now (including my fiancee, who is typically with me when I watch wrestling), and none of them know who John Cena is. so your fiancee who, is "typically with you when you watch wrestling" doesnt know who John Cena is? I find that hard to believe. I was in computer class last year and these girls were talking about hot celebrities, they brought up Cena and wouldnt stop figuratively sucking his cock. "So if I didn't watch wrestling, you probably wouldn't know many wrestlers, would you?" "Uh...no." "What do you know about John Cena?" "Uhhh....nothing, really." She is with me every Monday, and has been here every PPV since we started dating in September, so....
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Post by Almost Like Flacco on Feb 21, 2011 3:15:48 GMT -5
I couldn't care less about anything else that happened tonight. Christian is back!
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Post by Hellbender on Feb 21, 2011 5:05:48 GMT -5
Ya, Christian returned...but more importantly, John Cena was eating Fruity Pebbles!
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Post by King Silva on Feb 21, 2011 5:31:06 GMT -5
My aunt and grandma sometimes watch Raw and they know a lot of the people by name or what they look like such as: Cena, Santino, Morrison, Orton [beady eyes ], ADR, Vickie etc. So I guess that is a good thing that even non fans recognize them but like someone said; Cena can be in the main event to help sell tickets but my main issue is that he almost always wins..
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Post by Gazza on Feb 21, 2011 5:35:39 GMT -5
I am sick to death of seeing people say "Cena sells, so it works." No, it doesn't... Cena selling a few t-shirts doesn't equal good television. Seriously, everybody... just don't buy Wrestlemania. Don't put money into their hands and convince them they're doing a good job, we all know they aren't. Your posts are incredibly boring. You fail to understand that WWEs target audience is for the kids. The kids love Cena, Cena is going to keep winning. If Cena keeps the kids watching, it generates more money. Cena sells LOTs of shirts, so it makes more money. Cena = Money
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Post by wabarrett on Feb 21, 2011 6:25:09 GMT -5
Well, I stayed up and watched from start to finish, and honestly, I still dunno what to make of it.
The two Chamber matches impressed the hell outta me, although I was pulling for Morrison so much. He brought so much to the match, and the way it was going I would have found Morrison winning totally believable. Shame really.
Christian returning to help his pal and get some revenge on ADR = Thumbs up.
Was I the only one though who felt (probably due to such a small card) that there was too much filler here? Booker T introducing Trish Stratus could have easily happened on RAW or Smackdown, it was a fairly lame segment (even though I was glad to see her back). Then Vickie Guerrero wailing about Dolph Ziggler, leading to Kelly coming back, leading to LayCool attacking, leading to Trish running down... it was just so messy.
The opener impressed me too actually, I certainly don't think it makes Kofi look weak, losing to the biggest thing going in WWE right now. The WWE title match seemed like a total waste of time to me. Lawler didn't live his dream, nor did his tension with Michael Cole escalate.... Hmm.
Tag Team match was a throwaway, my God that division is depressing right now.
John Cena eating fruity pebbles = lollollol.
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Post by dezzydhakidd on Feb 21, 2011 7:10:55 GMT -5
No, Cena winning all the time means it's bad television. Cena can be in the main event all he wants, and if he is as popular as they say he is, the child fanbase won't care that he has a few losses under his belt. If anything, it will make them support him THAT much more, AND won't make the adult fanbase sick of his face. Cena winning it all the time makes it predictable plain and simple
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2011 10:21:35 GMT -5
I think the word disappointment springs to mind. I thought it should have been JoMo, no doubt in my mind. This was his mania, I was sure of it. Didn't win the rumble, didn't win the raw rumble and now hasn't won the EC. Just annoys me that they get him so close and let him lose. At mania, you'd have The Rock vs Cena, imo THE biggest money maker they could have hoped for. Now if the Rock is in condition or not is debatable, but that is where the money is. Then you've got Miz vs Morrison, Morrison wins and it's a new wrestlemania moment. Cena doesn't need a 'Mania moment again. He's had one for the past 6 years! It's almost as if he's a Crack addict. I said to myself if Cena is in the main event at WM, I'm not buying. Even with the Rock I don't think I can buy a PPV knowing he's going to win. And don't say he won't, because he will.
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Post by Chip on Feb 21, 2011 10:24:11 GMT -5
Honestly overall a great showing by the WWE last night.
Kofi/ADR was a great match. The crowd was hot, Kofi bumped his ASS off, and of course ADR got the W. Kofi looked strong in the match especially at the end locking his hands to avoid the submission, but in the end it's another loss for the current IC champ.
SD Chamber was awesome. Once again, Rey stole the show to the point where I wanted him to win. Big Show's chops were epic. Barrett took some nice rookie bumps. Kane further cemented why he is one of the best big ment the WWE has ever had. Drew was more over in his 10 minutes than he has been since his debut. Christian returning was amazing, I can't wait to see where this is all going (Edge/Christian/Del Rio)
Tag Match was alright. Once again, it's hard to see importance in the TTtitles when there are only 3 legit teams in the WWE. What a waste. Glad they finally put the straps back on Slaybriel though.
Miz/Lawler was what I expected. It's obvious the "magic" of Lawler's nostalgia trip is wearing off. It was a formula match with no real screw ups (except the top rope suplex which almost killed them both, but turned into an interesting move) I enjoyed Lawler's moment in the spotlight...it's well deserved, but I really thought Cole was going to cost him this match setting up a 'Mania bout between Cole & Lawler. Not to say it still won't happen, but last night would have been a perfect set up.
RAW chamber was well booked, and anyone who thought anyone but Cena was winning was just kidding themselves and setting themself up for disappointment. The WWE is not going to build WRESTLEMANIA around Miz v. Morrison. Cena is the biggest star in the company he is going to headline the biggest event. The only other choice would have been Orton and I'm more sick of him being in the main event title match than Cena.
Overall the chamber match itself was great. Too bad Truth really got the shaft, but I'm glad Sheamus had a strong showing. He is just getting better by the week. I almost lost it and walked out of the room when Orton "eliminated" Punk...but the rest was gold. CM Punk proved, again, why he is the best thing going in the WWE today. His sadistic laughing, then mocking Orton was gold. He got a NASTY set of cuts on his leg too. That must have stung like a motha... JoMo again put on the most entertaining aspect of the match. He is only going to get hotter from here. Do people even remember 6 months ago when he was teaming with R-Truth seemingly going nowhere? Now he's had title matches, is in every main event and obviously ready to break out. I could definitley see him winning MITB this year and becoming WHC or WWE champ by the year's end. People need to relax & have a little patience. Morrison is going to be FINE.
Overall I feel like they should have thrown DB vs. someone instead of the filler/bathroom break crap. But it was a really solid show with the 2 EC matches & the opener. Now it's really time for that "Wrestlemania feeling"
*EDIT* So I just read that DB won a US title match against DiBiase in a dark match before the show. They really need to get Bryan out of this feud with Ted. It's going nowhere fast. Evan Bourne needs to come back STAT.
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