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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2011 16:05:46 GMT -5
So I was watching raw on wwe classics and there was a promo video for "The Stalker"...and he looked like Barry Windham. Was that who it was? I didn't follow WWF much at that time. Anyone know anything about this?
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Post by Jimmy on Jan 21, 2011 16:09:18 GMT -5
Yep it was Barry Windham. Apparently the original idea was that he would stalk Sable and go after Mero and the IC Title but those plans changed and instead The Stalker didn't stalk anybody and within 2 months just dressed and acted like Barry Windham while wearing camo pants.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2011 16:16:33 GMT -5
lmao sounds like a great gimmick
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Post by Johnny Lawrence - Cobra Kai on Jan 22, 2011 0:13:34 GMT -5
The WWF had a habit of giving Barry Windham gimmick names and not following through on an actual gimmick to match the name.
He was "The Widow Maker" in the early 1990s too, but the name was the extent of the gimmick. Otherwise, he dressed, walked, talked and wrestled just like Barry Windham always did.
Which was strange, because in both cases (Widow Maker and "The Stalker") Barry Windham was already famous enough to not need a gimmick.
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Post by Calcifer Boheme on Jan 22, 2011 3:26:47 GMT -5
I think with Widowmaker it was more of a nickname really, and they still referred to him as Barry Windham, similar to the Texas Tornado, I guess. He asked for his release when his brother and father were on trial for counterfeiting, I guess to be with them. I always wonder what could have happened if he'd stayed in WWF at the time. Probably not a ton, really. There really was too much talent there at the time. The Stalker vignettes were cool, but that was really not a gimmick that transitioned well to the ring. Camouflage kind of sticks out in the arena  |
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Post by carly1988 on Jan 22, 2011 16:50:20 GMT -5
Ill never understand how within aprox a year Vince Had Arn, Tully, Windham, Dillon and Flair in his company, yet never had them all at once to reunited the Horsemen.
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Post by Jimmy on Jan 22, 2011 16:53:17 GMT -5
Ill never understand how within aprox a year Vince Had Arn, Tully, Windham, Dillon and Flair in his company, yet never had them all at once to reunited the Horsemen. Vince wanted his guys to be his guys and not having characters/angles/storylines based on other companies doings. |
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Post by twinn on Jan 22, 2011 17:15:22 GMT -5
Ill never understand how within aprox a year Vince Had Arn, Tully, Windham, Dillon and Flair in his company, yet never had them all at once to reunited the Horsemen. Yeah that would have been pretty incredible... I'll still never forgive Vince for  ing up Hogan vs. Flair at Wrestlemania 8... I have nightmares to this day thinking about ing bad Vince messed that one up |
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Post by carly1988 on Jan 22, 2011 17:24:26 GMT -5
Ill never understand how within aprox a year Vince Had Arn, Tully, Windham, Dillon and Flair in his company, yet never had them all at once to reunited the Horsemen. Vince wanted his guys to be his guys and not having characters/angles/storylines based on other companies doings. That is very true but if you think about it, Flair, Arn and Tully's WWE characters werent that much different then their WWF version. I think the 3 of them were really too defined in their careers to be any different. Maybe they wouldnt hold up 4 fingers and talk about being the Horsemen but I could easily see Flair, Arn and Tully along with one other (Windham, Rude, Hennig) comprising of a 4 man Heenan Family with Heenan taking the role of manager instead of Dillon (since he was behind the scenes) |
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Post by Calcifer Boheme on Jan 23, 2011 2:26:11 GMT -5
Ill never understand how within aprox a year Vince Had Arn, Tully, Windham, Dillon and Flair in his company, yet never had them all at once to reunited the Horsemen. The biggest problem was that Arn and Barry were back in WCW before Flair left ... I do wonder why Flair didn't go to WWF at the same time as Arn and Tully, but guess it has to do with timing of contracts or some such thing. But you know, I don't think Flair would have done quite as well if he'd gone to WWF in 88. There was just so much going on at the time that I don't know how it would have worked... Even if he was a top guy, it would have ruined one of my favorite years in wrestling, so it works out either way  |
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Post by The Assassin on Jan 23, 2011 9:22:54 GMT -5
and here i was hoping for a nice discussion on DDP's stalker gimmick... |
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Post by Raine on Jan 23, 2011 10:20:36 GMT -5
Flair was promised WWF Title match against Savage at Summerslam 1988 if he joined WWF back then
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Post by ToastMaster General on Jan 23, 2011 22:12:23 GMT -5
It never ceases to amaze me how the WWE could up Barry Windham not once, twice, but THREE times! The only time he was used right was back in 84/85, but after that Vince must've had a grudge against Barry 'cause every run thereafter was a complete screwup. Barry should've been a top challenger for the I-C title or hell even the WWF title, but nope it didn't happen. A damn shame!!! |
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Post by carly1988 on Jan 23, 2011 22:19:44 GMT -5
It never ceases to amaze me how the WWE could up Barry Windham not once, twice, but THREE times! The only time he was used right was back in 84/85, but after that Vince must've had a grudge against Barry 'cause every run thereafter was a complete screwup. Barry should've been a top challenger for the I-C title or hell even the WWF title, but nope it didn't happen. A damn shame!!! Wouldnt surprise me if Vince had a grudge against Barry. I mean when he was in Mid Atlantic as Blackjack Jr, he was a solid guy but clearly not a big name star. Then Vince got him and made him a big face and a champion as part of the US Express until both he and Rotunda split to go back to the NWA where Windham became a huge star. It was kinda like a taste of his own medicine for Vince. He created a star but left Vince instead of Staying. |
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Post by ToastMaster General on Jan 23, 2011 22:24:53 GMT -5
I agree, G2, Vince did get a taste of his own medicine with Barry's departure. IIRC Barry left because he didn't want to be precived as a "sports entertainer" and then went back to Crockett via Florida Championship Wrestling.
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Post by The Abdominal Toaster™ on Jan 25, 2011 1:51:31 GMT -5
It never ceases to amaze me how the WWE could up Barry Windham not once, twice, but THREE times! The only time he was used right was back in 84/85, but after that Vince must've had a grudge against Barry 'cause every run thereafter was a complete screwup. Barry should've been a top challenger for the I-C title or hell even the WWF title, but nope it didn't happen. A damn shame!!! Wouldnt surprise me if Vince had a grudge against Barry. I mean when he was in Mid Atlantic as Blackjack Jr, he was a solid guy but clearly not a big name star. Then Vince got him and made him a big face and a champion as part of the US Express until both he and Rotunda split to go back to the NWA where Windham became a huge star. It was kinda like a taste of his own medicine for Vince. He created a star but left Vince instead of Staying. Maybe Mcmahon's hatred stemmed from Rotunda. Apparently back in the day Rotunda just had enough and had Windham drop him off in the middle of no where. Windham was confused as hell but didn't question him and did that. Rotunda only had travel vouchers for planes and no money. He told Windham he would meet him at the next event and didn't and just went home. Rotunda was missing for a week before Mcmahon wondered what the hell was going on so he got Patterson to phone Rotunda and all Rotunda said was he wasn't coming back because he's "gone fishing"... He did go back eventually because he needed the money. Then Windham left and Rotunda wrestled single matches for a bit before leaving himself. Maybe Mcmahon had a hate on for Windham because of this who knows? LOL. |
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Post by Johnny Lawrence - Cobra Kai on Jan 25, 2011 9:54:49 GMT -5
Don't forget Rotundo had a run with Danny Spivey as the New U.S. Express after Barry Windham left, so whatever happened, the WWF wasn't too upset with Rotundo to try to salvage the thing once Windham was gone.
I always thought there was a bit of a WWF grudge against Windham for the timing of his leaving in the mid-80s and also the reason he was giving publicly for why he left.
By leaving on his own free will in the mid-80s when the WWF was exploding in popularity, I'm sure Vince thought Windham was thumbing his nose at a golden opportunity. Back then, by most accounts, Vince had a very large "you're with us or you're against us" mentality, believing the supporting cast (i.e., everyone except Hogan, Piper and Andre) should be eternally grateful that they even got a chance to be a part of this awesome time in history.
Windham also went around telling people he left out of disgust at the "sports entertainment" direction of the WWF too, which probably didn't sit well with Vince. My memory's fading on this one, but I thought Windham even specifically mentioned the first Wrestling Album as the straw that broke the camel's back and made him feel like he was part of a cartoon instead of a wrestling promotion.
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