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Post by The Sexy Psychotic on Jul 21, 2010 10:05:04 GMT -5
Now first off, this ain't a thread to put down the company, or go on about how it was awful and all, its actually the opposite.
I never watched it at this time, and have recently become quite interested in the whole time from about 2000 - the end, so yea, could you guys help me out.
Was it really that bad, were the PPVs that bad, and were there that many shoots?
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Post by calhil8 on Jul 21, 2010 11:03:48 GMT -5
Yeh to be honest It was a poor time. I mean there were a few shoots and the PPVS weren't great. I own the Superbrawl 2000 ppv on video and it actually isn't that bad. However the titles changed hands so frequently and so easily it was pointless. Most matches ended with run ins and interference so the actual wrestling WCW was famed for was gone
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Post by carly1988 on Jul 21, 2010 11:15:36 GMT -5
It wasnt as bad as people make it out to seem. Of course if you compare it to what was going on at the time in WWE, sure it looked piss poor but it (as always) was miles ahead of ECW and their crap they had on TNN. I think the constant rotating door at the Booker and front office positions is what hurt them the most. I think what hurt them the most was taking Bischoff out of control over the place. Of course it wouldnt have stopped the selling of the company as only Jamie Kellner is to blame for that but at least the product would have stayed consistent.
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Post by LeighD on Jul 21, 2010 11:32:40 GMT -5
Looking back it was not as bad as I remembered. However, the constant change in front office or power, lead to MANY confusing and stupid matches/gimmicks/title changes/etc. Remember Rick Steiner being attacked by a masked man only to later find out that masked man was.....Rick Steiner?!
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Post by carly1988 on Jul 21, 2010 11:57:13 GMT -5
Looking back it was not as bad as I remembered. However, the constant change in front office or power, lead to MANY confusing and stupid matches/gimmicks/title changes/etc. Remember Rick Steiner being attacked by a masked man only to later find out that masked man was.....Rick Steiner?! Thats almost as bad as him getting into an argument with a doll..... Poor guy, he went from Alex, to Chucky to beating himself.  |
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Post by Mr. Orange on Jul 21, 2010 15:04:03 GMT -5
WORKED shoots were the biggie. Goldberg walking out of a powerbomb from Nash was one that SUCKED. Russo came out after and scolded Goldberg then Goldberg told him to  off. The commentators said "Goldberg was supposed to go up for the power bomb but didn't want to". Great. They also catered to people who read the internet, which some in the audience didn't do. I believe they would say something regarding a story on the internet and some wouldn't get it. Others were the BAD gimmick matches, constant title switches, bad/illogical booking brought the company down. |
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Post by indy on Jul 21, 2010 15:08:20 GMT -5
There were all kinds of awful things going on. The infamous Russo "shoots" of course. Then there was the revolving door of world champions. It was like the WWF's hardcore championship. The world title would change hands entirely too much. I mean, I think someone actually won it on Thunder on week. If that's not awful, I don't know what is.
And then 2001 was just depressing. Russo was gone by then, and it's just sad to watch mostly. It doesn't have the comedic value of 1999-2000.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2010 15:56:48 GMT -5
Yes it was that bad.. Like Hollywood Hero said ridiculous title changes, booking decisions that made no sense, stupid gimmick matches. A failed attempt to copy the WWE even if they were shots that them ( see Asya, Oklahoma)
And of course the dreaded work shoots where the philiosphy was everything you're watching is fake, except for this right now its real.
Didn't they do something where Bagwell went over the finish of the match backstage with his oppnent
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Post by Marzec on Jul 21, 2010 16:05:27 GMT -5
I think the 3 worst moments in WCW history were David Arquette winning the WCW belt, the Judy Bagwell on a pole match, and the Viagra on a pole match. These were by far some of the lowest moments in professional wrestling history.
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Post by indy on Jul 21, 2010 17:31:12 GMT -5
Yes it was that bad.. Like Hollywood Hero said ridiculous title changes, booking decisions that made no sense, stupid gimmick matches. A failed attempt to copy the WWE even if they were shots that them ( see Asya, Oklahoma) And of course the dreaded work shoots where the philiosphy was everything you're watching is fake, except for this right now its real. Didn't they do something where Bagwell went over the finish of the match backstage with his oppnent Yes him and someone else were going over the match backstage. "You pin me 1,2,3?" "That's the finish they gave me!" Then when they go out to wrestle, Bagwell "puts one over" on the booker and rolls up the other wrestler. Then he cuts a promo asking if "That's good enough for you, Russo?!" The story behind that was, once in an obscure interview that Vince Russo assumed EVERYONE had seen, Russo stated that Bagwell was a really good talent or something along those lines. Then OF COURSE it had to turn into a worked shoot! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2010 19:02:41 GMT -5
tough times.the rot that set in between the Fingerpoke of Doom and 2001 was astonishing.
one of my favorite matches occured during this timeframe though.....
Scott Steiner vs Goldberg @ Fall Brawl 2000.great match full of stiff offense and over the top power moves.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2010 21:45:46 GMT -5
Yes it was that bad.. Like Hollywood Hero said ridiculous title changes, booking decisions that made no sense, stupid gimmick matches. A failed attempt to copy the WWE even if they were shots that them ( see Asya, Oklahoma) And of course the dreaded work shoots where the philiosphy was everything you're watching is fake, except for this right now its real. Didn't they do something where Bagwell went over the finish of the match backstage with his oppnent Yes him and someone else were going over the match backstage. "You pin me 1,2,3?" "That's the finish they gave me!" Then when they go out to wrestle, Bagwell "puts one over" on the booker and rolls up the other wrestler. Then he cuts a promo asking if "That's good enough for you, Russo?!" The story behind that was, once in an obscure interview that Vince Russo assumed EVERYONE had seen, Russo stated that Bagwell was a really good talent or something along those lines. Then OF COURSE it had to turn into a worked shoot! any video footage of this? (backsatge segment) |
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Post by tnafan17: The Total Package on Jul 21, 2010 21:49:29 GMT -5
It definitely wasn't the best, I remember as a kid frequently turning from Nitro to watch Raw. The only thing that really interested me was the main events at the time. I was hooked during the War Games 2000 the week of Fall Brawl though.
Alot of the things they did just didn't make a whole lot of sense at the time, so compared to WWE who was booming at this time it looked like purity sh*t.
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Post by Nix Hex on Jul 21, 2010 23:22:50 GMT -5
It got pretty bad at the end..I always kept watching though..There was some good stuff but not much..By the end of WCW the titles didn't mean crap imo..Also like some others have said..All the worked shoots sucked.
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Post by K5 on Jul 22, 2010 2:06:30 GMT -5
vince russo was trying to make it nonstop action television, like literally you never know what's going on. of course, this is only amusing for so long before it's more an aggravation than anything.
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Post by slappy on Jul 23, 2010 3:05:29 GMT -5
I think the 3 worst moments in WCW history were David Arquette winning the WCW belt, the Judy Bagwell on a pole match, and the Viagra on a pole match. These were by far some of the lowest moments in professional wrestling history. And Russo and Bischoff winning titles. Which unlike McMahon's title run, which made sense, these were just to say " you, I can do whatever the hell I want. See I can make myself champion." |
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Post by carly1988 on Jul 23, 2010 6:56:58 GMT -5
I think the 3 worst moments in WCW history were David Arquette winning the WCW belt, the Judy Bagwell on a pole match, and the Viagra on a pole match. These were by far some of the lowest moments in professional wrestling history. And Russo and Bischoff winning titles. Which unlike McMahon's title run, which made sense, these were just to say " you, I can do whatever the hell I want. See I can make myself champion." I dont remember but what what title did Bischoff win? |
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Post by Mike Bockwinkel on Jul 23, 2010 7:11:00 GMT -5
And Russo and Bischoff winning titles. Which unlike McMahon's title run, which made sense, these were just to say " you, I can do whatever the hell I want. See I can make myself champion." I dont remember but what what title did Bischoff win? Hardcore |
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Post by The Sexy Psychotic on Jul 26, 2010 10:45:50 GMT -5
I dont remember but what what title did Bischoff win? Hardcore Ahh, Miss Hancock, a good thing I'm guessing from the late WCW era |
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Post by Chicago on Jul 27, 2010 8:52:07 GMT -5
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