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Post by KRAYZIE BONE on May 28, 2010 20:52:23 GMT -5
I guess ted made comments about warrior in an interview. www.ultimatewarrior.com/blog/scroll down a little. I know most are probably going to say warrior is just a nut with a big ego, but pretty much everything said is true. ted was "owned" as the kids say now adays.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2010 20:53:51 GMT -5
old news broseph thanks though
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Post by KRAYZIE BONE on May 28, 2010 21:02:35 GMT -5
oh really? lol. well, what can I say. im very out of the loop in regards to good ole' WWE. thanks though!
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2010 3:57:00 GMT -5
"Look in the mirror, Teddy. You’re a V-man. A Vagina Man. You and Hogan and Flair and Piper and Hart and all the others — V-Men. Behind the gimmicks you were all studs, real tough guys. But without them and the lights and production and business and the angles and the money and all the smack talk to back you up, you never possessed the BIG Balls it takes to step into the ring with The Main Event of Life." Ok, this man is a ing idiot and just continues to prove so.
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Post by Gangrel-Brood on May 29, 2010 15:09:47 GMT -5
Ok, this man is a ing idiot and just continues to prove so. SOMETHING A V-MAN WOULD SAY! RURRRRRR *shakes ropes*!
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Post by HuskerTornado on May 29, 2010 16:45:01 GMT -5
Let me preface this by saying I am a big fan of both characters. I get tired of Warrior getting dumped on, since most of it is unwarranted. Dibiase was interviewed around the time of the HOF, and was asked about Warrior - www.wrestleview.com/viewnews.php?id=1270740536Warrior came back with the blog posted in the original post and absolutely destroyed Dibiase. This was what I previously posted regarding Warrior's blog post: I think Dibiase's Million Dollar Man character is one of the great heels in the business' history. Vince struck gold with that gimmick. I have also semi-kept up with Dibiase post-retirement, in large part because my grandfather used to play poker and hang out with Ted's step-father, the late Mike Dibiase (died in the ring). I enjoyed what Dibiase did in the ring and in the business in his hey-day, but I don't know much about his out-of-ring doings (I'm sure there's a tell-all book from him somewhere...), but when someone suddenly turns to religion, it always raises a brow from me.
I have always felt the negative comments about Warrior over the years have been over the top, and Dibiase was one of the more puzzling (at least on screen, never seemed to have any real beef with UW). Remember, only one man achieved a clean pin on Hogan after Jan. 23rd, 1984 until his heel turn with NWO in the mid-late 90s. It was Warrior, and I suppose a large part of the issue with talent from that era is jealousy towards Warrior. That was a huge honor in the business, to get the pin over the business' golden boy (Some in the WWE, I believe, still feel like that was such an honor, that UW should forever be indebted to them).
And I also suppose that the fact that Warrior didn't turn to drugs like so many, and left the business in good financial and physical well-being also angers those that were not so fortunate. I'm sure they'd all like him more if he had died of some sort of overdose shortly after retirement.
Because of this jealousy, we have had to hear from others over the years that UW is/was a mentally unstable piece of **** that didn't have a lick of in-ring talent and couldn't deliver a promo to save his life...
Give me a break. Explain his meteoric rise if he could neither deliver a promo, nor perform in the ring. He amassed a huge following just because he ran to the ring and shook the ropes? Sorry, try again. It was his intensity on the mic that made you listen, and what some heard as incoherent rambling spoke to a generation of youth much the same as a hard rock/heavy metal album did. Those that didn't/don't get it, just don't get it or they are just trying to put the man down. And while Warrior wasn't a technical wizard in the ring, his matches were always entertaining. Just because someone claims to be able to wrestle a broom stick (Ric Flair), doesn't mean people are willing to watch it.
Warrior quite brilliantly summarizes the hypocrisies of not only Dibiase but the others that have, for no real reason, slighted him over the years. Probably his best blog in the decade he's been doing them. Dibiase then came back with this - www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/wrestling/2981991/Million-Dollar-Man-Ted-DiBiase-has-responded-to-Ultimate-Warriors-internet-rant-about-him.htmlDibiase needs to live by the old adage of those that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. He first attacks Warrior, but couldn't deal with what Warrior came back with. His only response was basically, "Warrior is a big meanie". Given the egos the old pro wrestlers have, this should go on for a while longer. Sit back and enjoy ;D Too bad these guys aren't in the ring anymore, what a storyline it could be. If there is a heaven and it is going to be filled with the likes of you, I want to confirm my reservation in hell, right now. Eternal hardcore pain would be less brutal than spending eternity with spineless, back-stabbing, sissy suck-ups like you. Classic!
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on May 30, 2010 23:06:09 GMT -5
I guess ted made comments about warrior in an interview. www.ultimatewarrior.com/blog/scroll down a little. I know most are probably going to say warrior is just a nut with a big ego, but pretty much everything said is true. ted was "owned" as the kids say now adays. Warrior IS a nut. The man writes a novel where only 2-3 sentences are needed. He also seems to hate everyone and everything. I also think he's a hypocrite. He bashes Dibiase for being fat (both guys are in their 50s, who cares?) but his body, fame, and fortune came, in part, via steroids.
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Post by HuskerTornado on May 31, 2010 5:21:14 GMT -5
Warrior IS a nut. The man writes a novel where only 2-3 sentences are needed. He also seems to hate everyone and everything. I also think he's a hypocrite. He bashes Dibiase for being fat (both guys are in their 50s, who cares?) but his body, fame, and fortune came, in part, via steroids. That has nothing to do with hypocrisy. On the steroid issue, he'd only be a hypocrite if he came out with anti-steroid campaigns, yet still used them. He used them when they weren't illegal (this is all well-documented stuff, easy to find), and worked his ass off to achieve his physique. You don't magically get ripped by taking steroids (you can see some guys get puffy, but not ripped). Pretty much everyone used steroids back in the day, even the small guys, they just didn't bust their ass in the gym as much as guys like Warrior, Rude, etc. to achieve the chiseled look. Look, the bottom line is that Dibiase opened himself up to getting shredded. If he didn't want a rebuttal from Warrior, he should have kept his mouth shut.
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Post by KRAYZIE BONE on May 31, 2010 18:20:09 GMT -5
^^ yep.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on May 31, 2010 22:29:36 GMT -5
Warrior IS a nut. The man writes a novel where only 2-3 sentences are needed. He also seems to hate everyone and everything. I also think he's a hypocrite. He bashes Dibiase for being fat (both guys are in their 50s, who cares?) but his body, fame, and fortune came, in part, via steroids. That has nothing to do with hypocrisy. On the steroid issue, he'd only be a hypocrite if he came out with anti-steroid campaigns, yet still used them. He used them when they weren't illegal (this is all well-documented stuff, easy to find), and worked his ass off to achieve his physique. You don't magically get ripped by taking steroids (you can see some guys get puffy, but not ripped). Pretty much everyone used steroids back in the day, even the small guys, they just didn't bust their ass in the gym as much as guys like Warrior, Rude, etc. to achieve the chiseled look. Look, the bottom line is that Dibiase opened himself up to getting shredded. If he didn't want a rebuttal from Warrior, he should have kept his mouth shut. Warrior has gone on record saying that he used steroids until 1991. The Anabolic Steroid Act made them illegal in 1990 so he did break the law. When he came back from his hiatus at WM8, he had lost a huge amount of muscle mass (leading to the rumors that it was someone else) so the 'roids did play a huge role in his success. Are you sure Vince, who loves his muscle-heads, would have pushed Warrior-as-champ had Warrior come into WWE at 240lbs? I doubt it. Moreover, Warrior is a regular hypocrite on his website. He often refers to celebs that OD as "drug soused" and attacks people for their appearance. Yet he goes on TV and defends his own drug use. The fact that other people used 'roids doesn't change the fact that they are a shortcut to a good physique and potentially lethal. Warrior is lucky to be alive as is anyone who has used steroids in a recreational capacity.
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Post by K5 on Jun 1, 2010 11:03:59 GMT -5
while he is generally correct with his assertions towards ted dibiase, many of them are unwarranted, exaggeratted and some completely inane. dibiase, even if he was a 'pig', could wrestle any day leaps and bounds beyond warrior, and that says something.
warrior overcomplicates, glorifies, and disillusions himself from reality constantly. warrior simply cannot win because he is the crazed, ex-meathead, exiled psycho in comparison to the reserved, retired and respectable ted dibiase. fat content or not.
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Post by Patrick Bateman on Jun 1, 2010 17:56:07 GMT -5
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Post by HuskerTornado on Jun 1, 2010 19:09:34 GMT -5
That has nothing to do with hypocrisy. On the steroid issue, he'd only be a hypocrite if he came out with anti-steroid campaigns, yet still used them. He used them when they weren't illegal (this is all well-documented stuff, easy to find), and worked his ass off to achieve his physique. You don't magically get ripped by taking steroids (you can see some guys get puffy, but not ripped). Pretty much everyone used steroids back in the day, even the small guys, they just didn't bust their ass in the gym as much as guys like Warrior, Rude, etc. to achieve the chiseled look. Look, the bottom line is that Dibiase opened himself up to getting shredded. If he didn't want a rebuttal from Warrior, he should have kept his mouth shut. Warrior has gone on record saying that he used steroids until 1991. The Anabolic Steroid Act made them illegal in 1990 so he did break the law. When he came back from his hiatus at WM8, he had lost a huge amount of muscle mass (leading to the rumors that it was someone else) so the 'roids did play a huge role in his success. Are you sure Vince, who loves his muscle-heads, would have pushed Warrior-as-champ had Warrior come into WWE at 240lbs? I doubt it. Moreover, Warrior is a regular hypocrite on his website. He often refers to celebs that OD as "drug soused" and attacks people for their appearance. Yet he goes on TV and defends his own drug use. The fact that other people used 'roids doesn't change the fact that they are a shortcut to a good physique and potentially lethal. Warrior is lucky to be alive as is anyone who has used steroids in a recreational capacity. Steroids and cocaine/heroin/etc. are totally different means to a totally different end. They are not one and the same. Warrior takes care of himself. He didn't take steroids in high enough doses to rot his body and give him steroid acne like many in the business (and in other sports) did. Again, EVERYONE in the 80s was using steroids, it was part of the job. It's what people came to see - comicbook superhero type characters, and Warrior was the perfect personification of that. Would he have been pushed to the top if he was 240? Who knows, who cares? Hulk Hogan wasn't any better in the ring, yet held the title for years, moved tons of merchandise, etc. Would he have been given a push without steroids? What difference does that make now? Even when Warrior came back in 1992 and again in 1996, Warrior was being set up for title runs, but things behind the scenes between he and Vince got to the point where they couldn't work together. Both were at fault to a certain degree, but the hate for Warrior that spews online is ridiculous to the point of being hilarious. The guy is healthy, has a comfortable retirement, isn't hopped up on drugs, didn't turn to phony religion, and has a nice family. Geez, what a psychopath. How insane of him to survive outside of the wrestling business. But I guess he is just crazy enough for it to work.
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Post by K5 on Jun 1, 2010 21:33:40 GMT -5
^ i think you're forgetting that you're defending a known racist homophobe who glorifies both himself and his contributions to an obscene degree. the guy doesn't exactly help himself.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2010 21:45:09 GMT -5
^ i think you're forgetting that you're defending a known racist homophobe who glorifies both himself and his contributions to an obscene degree. the guy doesn't exactly help himself. Ain't that the truth...sheesh...
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Jun 1, 2010 23:42:36 GMT -5
[ Steroids and cocaine/heroin/etc. are totally different means to a totally different end. They are not one and the same. Warrior takes care of himself. He didn't take steroids in high enough doses to rot his body and give him steroid acne like many in the business (and in other sports) did. Steroids are profoundly psychoactive. They have severe side physical effects and were designed to be used for short periods, under strict care of a physician, for injury repair. People cycling them for over a decade as Warrior did are abusers, plain and simple. Warrior is lucky he's alive, lucky he isn't incapacitated, and he's lucky he didn't have a psychotic episode while he was on them. I'm happy that Warrior is OK and has balance in his life. Yet I haven't heard him say the most important thing on this issue:" I was dumb to use steroids and no one should use steroids for competitive or aesthetic purposes, period." He was a druggie, plain and simple. He needs to own up to that and encourage other people not to do it.
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Post by June on Jun 2, 2010 11:18:37 GMT -5
Warrior dominated DiBiase. I don't understand why so many people consider Warrior to be an "idiot" or "insane".
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Post by K5 on Jun 2, 2010 11:55:47 GMT -5
the guy actually changed his name to WARRIOR. he has illusions of grandeur and god. he is a known racist and homophobe, and has said various other disgusting/intellectually- disabled things (such as this article alone, calling dibiase satan's pig? like, wow, you're a twisted )....i don't see how the hell people can consider him not an 'idiot' or 'insane'.
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Post by June on Jun 3, 2010 8:02:32 GMT -5
the guy actually changed his name to WARRIOR. he has illusions of grandeur and god. he is a known racist and homophobe, and has said various other disgusting/intellectually- disabled things (such as this article alone, calling dibiase satan's pig? like, wow, you're a twisted )....i don't see how the hell people can consider him not an 'idiot' or 'insane'. 1. He changed his name as a legal strategy so that he can own the character that he helped to create. 2. He is very opinionated and his opinions on several subjects differ from those of the touchy and politically correct masses that our society back 5 decades. 3. DiBiase is a hypocrite, hate to break it to you. You do not cast stones at people when you too have sinned, especially when you are a born again christian. You should also not exhibit jealousy, which is what Warrior was pointing out. 4. The people that do not consider him insane, or idiotic are more than likely sane and educated. Insane and idiotic is to be a slave to your past glory, and the person that provided it to you. It is also insane to blow your wealth on crap so that you have to continue to wrestle once you're way past your prime, or have to be born again just to free your mind of the burden of blowing a chance to have generational wealth for your family.
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Post by K5 on Jun 3, 2010 11:57:07 GMT -5
changed his name or not, the amount that he refers to himself as this 'warrior' character he created is enough to definetly give the sense that he is a little bit of a nut at least.
and what do you mean opinionated? HE'S A BLATANT RACIST AND HOMOSEXUAL. that's not just having differing opinions than the public mass, nice attempt at sugar coating his obscene and derogatory behaviour. as i said recently in another thread, that college lecture he gave a few years ago in which he was actually BOO'ED OFF THE STAGE AFTER BEING A GUEST SPEAKER is enough of a reference for me.
and i'm not saying dibiase isn't without his sins or flaws, but the way that warrior picks the things out is vulgar and overall just really, really twisted.
and none of those things you listed are insane - not knowing how to deal with fame and it's fallout is a common thing, that happens to completely sane people. however, staying at your home and writing blogs with a huge conceptual 'me vs. them' mentality he's engrained in himself, and glorifying himself as some kind of religious protagonist and true 'warrior'...i mean, come on, the same argument over sanity could be given for charles manson and i'm sure many would defend him like you are defending warrior.
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