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Post by Stevo on Mar 20, 2010 1:26:29 GMT -5
Simple. The Road Warriors could wrestle. Sting and the Road Warriors should not be compared to the Ultimate Warrior. Similar looks? Yeah, but totally different styles of workers. I'm not saying botch free, but since when has wrestling ever been botch free? Especially tag teams? There is no Steamboat/Flair for tag teams, four guys have never been in perfect timing and tandem with each other. But check out any Road Warriors vs Minn. Wrecking Crew/Brain Busters, Steiners, or any of their solo matches against the likes of Flair (there's a few). They could WRESTLE, not just play off of the crowd like Warrior or Hogan (not that either man is the worst worker ever). I'm still going to compare them to a bulkier Dusty Rhodes. You're comparing matches where they wrestled basically 3 of the best tag teams of all times. I would argue that most of those teams carried the Road Warriors. When the RWs would face a Arn/Tully, Midnight Express or a Rockers, they looked like a $1,000 because the other team made them look great. When you watched them face a jobber team like the Mulkey Bros or another talentless/brawler team like the Nasty Boys...It doesnt look good. You dont walk away going "Wow, LOD and the Nastys stole the show tonight" but you might look back and say "Wow, Arn/Tully and the Road Warriors were great". Simply put because the RW had another team that could work in the ring. The same can be said for Hogan. Some of Hogans most memorable matches were with guys who could work. Vs Piper, Vs Savage, Vs Rock. Sure he had big matches with less talented people like Andre and Warrior but those occasions were a little different. If Hogan didnt slam Andre and Warrior was a heel nobody would think anything of it. Wrestling comes in levels of in ring work, drawing ability, charisma. The road warriors had 2 of the 3 but there are many other tag teams that had all 3. If their in ring work was so great when they had to go solo so many times they would have accomplished more, like every other tag team in the 80s did. If you honestly think that the Road Warriors were being carried by the Andersons for nearly hour long matches, then I don't know what I can say to you. You're wrong, that's about it. I mean, if in your opinion you hated their matches and thought they were just powerhouses and all flash, well, that'd be your opinion. But I can't see how they were ever carried in any phase of their career, with the exception of Hawk's worst days during their last WWF run. Their ring work, and let's clarify as my opinion, against most teams in their day was amazing. Freebirds, Midnight Express, Koloffs, Samoan Swat Team, all great matches. One of what I'd consider the greatest tag matches of all time was Road Warriors vs Garvin and Magnum TA in the Crockett Cup finale, and that sure as hell wouldn't be one of the greatest teams ever assembled (although both are solid workers). And the Nasty Boys Summerslam match doesn't bore the hell out of me. That's a step better than what the Nastys did at Wrestlemania with the Hart Foundation. The Nasty Boys is one of the worst teams to ever try to wrestle, and they have never had a Match of the Night. The Road Warriors tried their damndest, and it doesn't blow to all hell, so something must be at least okay with Hawk and Animal. Maybe we just have a gigantic difference of opinion, but I have to ask, in earnestness here, do you like the older NWA style of wrestling? Harley Race, Terry Funk, and the likes? Because if you don't like the ground-and-pound wrestling style, I could easily see how you'd hate the Road Warriors. But I've always considered them fantastic workers in the ring, and I really don't see how you can say they're the same as the Ultimate Warrior. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2010 16:09:14 GMT -5
You're comparing matches where they wrestled basically 3 of the best tag teams of all times. I would argue that most of those teams carried the Road Warriors. When the RWs would face a Arn/Tully, Midnight Express or a Rockers, they looked like a $1,000 because the other team made them look great. When you watched them face a jobber team like the Mulkey Bros or another talentless/brawler team like the Nasty Boys...It doesnt look good. You dont walk away going "Wow, LOD and the Nastys stole the show tonight" but you might look back and say "Wow, Arn/Tully and the Road Warriors were great". Simply put because the RW had another team that could work in the ring. The same can be said for Hogan. Some of Hogans most memorable matches were with guys who could work. Vs Piper, Vs Savage, Vs Rock. Sure he had big matches with less talented people like Andre and Warrior but those occasions were a little different. If Hogan didnt slam Andre and Warrior was a heel nobody would think anything of it. Wrestling comes in levels of in ring work, drawing ability, charisma. The road warriors had 2 of the 3 but there are many other tag teams that had all 3. If their in ring work was so great when they had to go solo so many times they would have accomplished more, like every other tag team in the 80s did. If you honestly think that the Road Warriors were being carried by the Andersons for nearly hour long matches, then I don't know what I can say to you. You're wrong, that's about it. I mean, if in your opinion you hated their matches and thought they were just powerhouses and all flash, well, that'd be your opinion. But I can't see how they were ever carried in any phase of their career, with the exception of Hawk's worst days during their last WWF run. Their ring work, and let's clarify as my opinion, against most teams in their day was amazing. Freebirds, Midnight Express, Koloffs, Samoan Swat Team, all great matches. One of what I'd consider the greatest tag matches of all time was Road Warriors vs Garvin and Magnum TA in the Crockett Cup finale, and that sure as hell wouldn't be one of the greatest teams ever assembled (although both are solid workers). And the Nasty Boys Summerslam match doesn't bore the hell out of me. That's a step better than what the Nastys did at Wrestlemania with the Hart Foundation. The Nasty Boys is one of the worst teams to ever try to wrestle, and they have never had a Match of the Night. The Road Warriors tried their damndest, and it doesn't blow to all hell, so something must be at least okay with Hawk and Animal. Maybe we just have a gigantic difference of opinion, but I have to ask, in earnestness here, do you like the older NWA style of wrestling? Harley Race, Terry Funk, and the likes? Because if you don't like the ground-and-pound wrestling style, I could easily see how you'd hate the Road Warriors. But I've always considered them fantastic workers in the ring, and I really don't see how you can say they're the same as the Ultimate Warrior. Thanks for holding down the fort for the Road Warrriors while I was out of town.  I pretty much agree with your responses. Sting and the Road Warriors are much better in ring performers than Hogan and the Ultimate Warrior -- its not even close. Hogan might break his neck if he were on the top rope half as much as those guys (well, not Animal, but you know what I mean). The comparison is an insult. Sting and the Warriors had power, speed, agility, and diversity. Maybe we are all watching different matches, because the Road Warriors were not being "carried" in the Midnight and Horsemen feuds. You can't sell being damaged by smaller guys if you're talentless stiff workers being carried. As for solo work, most real 80's NWA tag teams were tag teams primarily and didn't have prominent singles careers. Arn and Tully, sure. But not the Midnights, not the Rock and Roll Express, not the Road Warriors. Both Morton and Hawk had singles programs with Flair, but that stemmed from rivalries the face teams had with the Horsemen. |
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Post by LeighD on Mar 23, 2010 7:57:21 GMT -5
When you say "greatest tag team of all-time" it comes down to The Road Warriors or The Steiner Brothers. There are definitely great teams like Hart Foundation, Bulldogs, Midnight Express, etc that are very close contenders, but come just short of the title.
I guess it depend son what someone considers the formula of "greatest" to be; wrestling ability, talent, charisma, popularity, influence, etc.
For me, in overall popularity and influence, Road Warrios pick up the win. For wrestling ability and (in-ring) innovation, Steiners earn my vote.
On a side note, it pisses me off to no end when in 1996 BOTH teams with in WCW and the company did NOTHING to put them in a feud with each other. IMO, this was the best time for a major feud between the two to occur as both teams were the closest to being in their primes for such a feud.
A Road Warriors vs. Steiners feud for the WCW Tag Team titles was what I was DYING for and yet nothing but a few short matches came from it.
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Post by carly1988 on Mar 23, 2010 10:23:47 GMT -5
If you honestly think that the Road Warriors were being carried by the Andersons for nearly hour long matches, then I don't know what I can say to you. You're wrong, that's about it. I mean, if in your opinion you hated their matches and thought they were just powerhouses and all flash, well, that'd be your opinion. But I can't see how they were ever carried in any phase of their career, with the exception of Hawk's worst days during their last WWF run. Their ring work, and let's clarify as my opinion, against most teams in their day was amazing. Freebirds, Midnight Express, Koloffs, Samoan Swat Team, all great matches. One of what I'd consider the greatest tag matches of all time was Road Warriors vs Garvin and Magnum TA in the Crockett Cup finale, and that sure as hell wouldn't be one of the greatest teams ever assembled (although both are solid workers). And the Nasty Boys Summerslam match doesn't bore the hell out of me. That's a step better than what the Nastys did at Wrestlemania with the Hart Foundation. The Nasty Boys is one of the worst teams to ever try to wrestle, and they have never had a Match of the Night. The Road Warriors tried their damndest, and it doesn't blow to all hell, so something must be at least okay with Hawk and Animal. Maybe we just have a gigantic difference of opinion, but I have to ask, in earnestness here, do you like the older NWA style of wrestling? Harley Race, Terry Funk, and the likes? Because if you don't like the ground-and-pound wrestling style, I could easily see how you'd hate the Road Warriors. But I've always considered them fantastic workers in the ring, and I really don't see how you can say they're the same as the Ultimate Warrior. Thanks for holding down the fort for the Road Warrriors while I was out of town. I pretty much agree with your responses. Sting and the Road Warriors are much better in ring performers than Hogan and the Ultimate Warrior -- its not even close. Hogan might break his neck if he were on the top rope half as much as those guys (well, not Animal, but you know what I mean). The comparison is an insult. Sting and the Warriors had power, speed, agility, and diversity. Maybe we are all watching different matches, because the Road Warriors were not being "carried" in the Midnight and Horsemen feuds. You can't sell being damaged by smaller guys if you're talentless stiff workers being carried. As for solo work, most real 80's NWA tag teams were tag teams primarily and didn't have prominent singles careers. Arn and Tully, sure. But not the Midnights, not the Rock and Roll Express, not the Road Warriors. Both Morton and Hawk had singles programs with Flair, but that stemmed from rivalries the face teams had with the Horsemen. Bret Hart, Davy Boy Smith, Bobby Eaton, Shawn Michaels, Arn Anderson, Tully Blanchard, Rick Martel, Tom Zenk, Rick Steiner, Scott Steiner, Ron Simmons are just a few members of 80s tag teams that went on to hold singles gold in WCW or WWF after their tag team runs |
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Post by Road Warriors on Mar 23, 2010 10:53:02 GMT -5
The Road Warriors are the greatest team of all time simply because you believed these guys were unbeatable. As it is well documented on here I am a Road Warriors mark to the highest degree. To really wish those who came after 1990 could have seen just what a impact these guys had on wrestling from day one and is unheard of to this day. You need to understand that these guys were world wide stars and as big if not bigger then Hogan at one time. While Hogan was all show and pushed to be unbeatable the Warriors were the ones wrestling fans really believed were unbeatable. From legendary squash matches were guys were legit afraid to get in the ring with them to legendary teams who have said the Warriors were some of the best workers they ever worked with. When the NWA-AWA shows were running in the New York area in late 84 to mid 86 It wasn't Flair, Rhodes, Bockwinckle, or Hansen that people came to see it was The Road Warriors. To say to this day I have yet to hear a pop like I heard when The Warriors came to the ring with Iron Man. The building would just explode because you knew the best were in the building and someone was going to get there asses kicked.
The Warriors are like nothing Wrestling had ever seen before and something Wrestling will never see again.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2010 14:54:27 GMT -5
Bret Hart, Davy Boy Smith, Bobby Eaton, Shawn Michaels, Arn Anderson, Tully Blanchard, Rick Martel, Tom Zenk, Rick Steiner, Scott Steiner, Ron Simmons are just a few members of 80s tag teams that went on to hold singles gold in WCW or WWF after their tag team runs WWF/E has almost always used tag teams to create singles stars, even to the detriment of its tag team scene, which is why I specifically said 80's NWA tag teams rarely had members go on to be singles stars. Of the people you mentioned, Rick Steiner, Ron Simmons, and Tully had singles careers prior to being in tag teams, Zenk and Eaton were never singles stars (gold or no), which leaves Scott Steiner and Double A (who I had already indicated). So unless you're arguing that the Midnight Express and Rock n Roll Express aren't good in ring workers either, the argument that a career as a singles star is a useful indication of whether or not one is a good tag team worker just doesn't hold up for me. |
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Post by The Mac on Mar 23, 2010 15:14:45 GMT -5
They are far from the best but not overated
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Post by Road Warriors on Mar 23, 2010 15:32:46 GMT -5
They are far from the best but not overated Who would you consider better. Now remember where talking about impact on the business and how they were able to draw asses in the seats simply by putting them on the card as the main attraction and not only in America but World Wide. |
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