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Post by June on Nov 19, 2009 8:56:36 GMT -5
In another thread I knocked Big Show and a fellow poster began to hail show as Wrestling's Greatest Giant. It annoyed me since Show can not even hold Andre jock strap.
Yes Show get's around well for a man his size, but Andre did too early in his career. Andre was an international celebrity and a huge draw. Kid's these days who would not know storytelling if they were hit in the head with a book have no respect for the history of the sport and it's evidenced by them making claims that Big Show is the greatest Giant of All Time.
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Post by l4dbttf on Nov 19, 2009 11:12:32 GMT -5
That is not Show's fault it is just the nature of today. Andre was a huge star then because most people had never seen some one so big before and he was used correctly. He was always dominate and booked well. Show is not only smaller that Andre and is not a giant (he does not have giants disease) he is wrestling in a time when there are numerous atheletes his size (maybe not weight). Also WWE has booked him wrong from day one. WCW did a good job but in his WWE debut match he lost clean to Austin. Most fans don't take him as serious as Andre was. I mean Andre hardly ever lost to anyone so when he did to Hogan it was a huge deal. We see Show lose on almost a weekly basis I bet and he is over used as well. Andre was not on TV 1-2 times a week so he always seemed fresh.
Andre could go in his early days but he could never do the things Show has done. In WCW as Giant he did a drop kick off the top rope and if in the ring with the right person can have a good match. Andre was not a very good worker in all reality especially in his later days. But Andre more than made up for that with his aura and size.
I think they are both great in different ways and are both true legends IMO. Show has been used very poorly by WWE while Andre was used great. To me they are two of the three best big men ever in wrestling along with Undertaker.
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Post by June on Nov 19, 2009 12:07:10 GMT -5
Great post but at the end you placed Show in the top 3 big men of all time, You would place him higher than Vader?
On a side note I don't feel that Show should get extra points for doing a missle dropkick, I mean a Giant should awe the fans by just being in the ring and not have to resort to cheap pops.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2009 13:17:38 GMT -5
best 3 "big men" in wrestling:
Vader Bam Bam Bigelow Big Show
I loved Andre but he was very limited
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Post by June on Nov 19, 2009 14:59:43 GMT -5
best 3 "big men" in wrestling: Vader Bam Bam Bigelow Big Show I loved Andre but he was very limited Bam Bam's career was pretty meh in my opinion, he had a great look but I would not even place him on my top 10 list of big men.
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Post by LeighD on Nov 19, 2009 23:13:39 GMT -5
That is not Show's fault it is just the nature of today. Andre was a huge star then because most people had never seen some one so big before and he was used correctly. He was always dominate and booked well. Show is not only smaller that Andre and is not a giant (he does not have giants disease) he is wrestling in a time when there are numerous atheletes his size (maybe not weight). Also WWE has booked him wrong from day one. WCW did a good job but in his WWE debut match he lost clean to Austin. Most fans don't take him as serious as Andre was. I mean Andre hardly ever lost to anyone so when he did to Hogan it was a huge deal. We see Show lose on almost a weekly basis I bet and he is over used as well. Andre was not on TV 1-2 times a week so he always seemed fresh. Andre could go in his early days but he could never do the things Show has done. In WCW as Giant he did a drop kick off the top rope and if in the ring with the right person can have a good match. Andre was not a very good worker in all reality especially in his later days. But Andre more than made up for that with his aura and size. I think they are both great in different ways and are both true legends IMO. Show has been used very poorly by WWE while Andre was used great. To me they are two of the three best big men ever in wrestling along with Undertaker. ^ Both Andre & Show had acromegaly. Honestly, Andre was the best "big" man (I'm referring to height) in this business. Many of Andre's earlier matches (Pre-WrestleMania I) were a sight to see. Most fans today will only remember Andre from WM III and onward, which were Andre's worst years in the business. If anyone can, pick up a copy of Andre's DVD (WWEshopzone.com has it for like $5!!!) and watch some of his better matches.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Nov 20, 2009 14:25:31 GMT -5
In another thread I knocked Big Show and a fellow poster began to hail show as Wrestling's Greatest Giant. It annoyed me since Show can not even hold Andre jock strap. Yes Show get's around well for a man his size, but Andre did too early in his career. Andre was an international celebrity and a huge draw. Kid's these days who would not know storytelling if they were hit in the head with a book have no respect for the history of the sport and it's evidenced by them making claims that Big Show is the greatest Giant of All Time. I was a huge Andre fan as a kid but I'll be the first to say that Big Show is in a class by himself. Andre could barely move when he was Show's age and very limited in his speaking abilities. Likewise, most wrestling giants ( 7 ft. category) El Gigante, Khali, Baba were slow and uncoordinated. Despite his age and weight, Show displays incredible athleticism and is a natural on screen.
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Post by Quanthor on Nov 21, 2009 13:54:25 GMT -5
Andre was the greatest "giant". The guy was bigger than life and sold out arenas where ever he went. He was a true spectacle and I was fortunate enough to get to see him perform.
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Post by S on Nov 21, 2009 14:30:11 GMT -5
In my opinion, if Big Show and Andre swapped timeframes, Big Show would be even bigger than Andre
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Post by carly1988 on Nov 21, 2009 14:49:00 GMT -5
Big Show is more athletic (especially in his younger days) then Andre is (especially in his younger days) however Andre was more of an attraction because at the time it was so rare to see someone that big. Its like comparing Flair and Hogan. Flair was a better wrestler but Hogan was a better entertainer. The same goes with Show and Andre.
Ive heard back in his early WCW days that Show perfected a top rope moonsault in the Power Plant but WCW officials didnt want him doing it because of his size and risk of injury. Ive seen Show do kip ups and some amazing things in the ring that Andre just couldnt physically pull off.
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Post by June on Nov 21, 2009 16:13:32 GMT -5
Andre had more of the "it factor" Big Show would never have gotten as over as Andre if the roles were reversed. I respect the fact that Show is or was so athletic but being a great athlete does not automatically make him a better Giant. Andre was authentic and Show comes off as forced IMO.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Nov 22, 2009 0:33:39 GMT -5
In my opinion, if Big Show and Andre swapped timeframes, Big Show would be even bigger than Andre You might be right. The last 8-10 years of Andre's career, he rarely wrestled on TV but storylines like "he's never been slammed" and "15 years undefeated" (neither were true) made him a mythical character. Despite his declining health, he was booked as unstoppable for many years. Show has come to the biz in a time where fans are more discerning/knowledgeable due to the advent of sites like Youtube and the dirt sheets. He is in the ring, on national TV, 1-2 times a week. It's impossible for him to be booked like Andre was.
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Post by Warrior82 on Nov 22, 2009 0:49:51 GMT -5
I have been a wrestling fan for decades. Andre the Giant was a huge part of wrestling then, and will forever be a Legend. But he never impressed me.
Everything he did looked fake, and he moved around like the great Khali. His movement and believability of impact when striking really reminds me of Khali. It was very poor.
Andre will always be a bigger Legend than Show. But Show, by far, is a better athlete
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Post by Hurricane on Nov 22, 2009 1:53:45 GMT -5
Andre was more revolutionary, but Big Show is alot better.
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Post by l4dbttf on Nov 22, 2009 2:22:13 GMT -5
best 3 "big men" in wrestling: Vader Bam Bam Bigelow Big Show I loved Andre but he was very limited Height wise is what I meant. If you are including heavy wrestlers as well I would say Undertaker, Vader and Yokozuna personally.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Nov 22, 2009 4:33:30 GMT -5
I have been a wrestling fan for decades. Andre the Giant was a huge part of wrestling then, and will forever be a Legend. But he never impressed me. Everything he did looked fake, and he moved around like the great Khali. His movement and believability of impact when striking really reminds me of Khali. It was very poor. It wasn't always that way. In his late 20s and early 30s, Andre moved around well, even climbing to the top rope on occasion. Sadly, there isn't nearly much on tape of 'Dre from his prime as there should be. By the time the WWF became an international sensation, his body was beginning to collapse from his disease and he seemed incapable of performing even the most basic moves.
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Post by The Dude on Nov 22, 2009 5:40:51 GMT -5
I would for sure say Show is better than Andre. Andre was great during his era, but athletically The Big Show is far better and can put on some great matches. Like others have said WWE has booked him pretty poorly but I would still say he's better than Andre.
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Post by Patrick Bateman on Nov 22, 2009 14:12:20 GMT -5
I gotta go with the Big Show, but I've got love for Andre too.
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Post by Quanthor on Nov 22, 2009 14:22:18 GMT -5
It's not who's more athletic..it's who's the greatest "Giant".
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Post by LeighD on Nov 23, 2009 20:53:27 GMT -5
In all honesty, what has Big Show DONE to impress anyone? I want specifics. It seems people are comparing him currently to the 90's version of Andre. the 1990s and even the late 1980s were Andre's worst years a wrestler. He was in a lot of pain and limited himself in-ring because of it. Big Show isn't very exciting to me since he left WCW. His run as The Giant is more impressive to me than his WWF run in-ring-wise.
As I said in my earlier post, I think many people of here never have watched many (if any) of Ande's earlier matches were he was incredible to watch. To say Big Show is better all-around career wise than Andre is straight-up insulting. Andre would sell out arenas NATION-WIDE as a time when the business was very territorial. Big names in one territory, were small stars in another. Andre was one of the few that was known everywhere he went once his name got out.
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