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Post by S on Oct 10, 2009 19:22:26 GMT -5
Ok, i've been a wrestling fan for a decade plus... but i was always a WWF guy and a bit of ECW, i never watched WCW in my youth... i didn't know what it was (had i known what it was and when it was on i probably would have watched)... Only recently have i actualyl started watching some WCW stuff closely...
My question is what was WCW's equivilant to Wrestlemania, and was it seen as much of a big deal to not only the wrestling fans but the media and public too? if it wasn't why wasn't it as successful?
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Post by Flava Dave on Oct 10, 2009 19:23:52 GMT -5
Starrcade
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Post by Byron F'N Saxton Fan on Oct 10, 2009 19:27:39 GMT -5
Yep, Starcade.
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Post by S on Oct 10, 2009 19:33:56 GMT -5
Ok did it ever create the 'boom' in the public and media that wrestlemania did (at the time of them?)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2009 19:36:54 GMT -5
Ok did it ever create the 'boom' in the public and media that wrestlemania did (at the time of them?) It didnt really, it was just the companies biggest show vince has always known how to promote his show and such, that just never was the focus for starrcade |
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Post by carly1988 on Oct 10, 2009 19:47:00 GMT -5
JCP (Jim Crockett Promotions) aka NWA/WCW invented Starrcade in 1983. It was never really designed to be the big circus that Wrestlemania is for the simple fact that NWA wasnt the big circus that the WWF was. Starrcade and the NWA was kept simple in decent size arenas and just had good top quality matches.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2009 17:19:24 GMT -5
One of Dusty's finest creations...Set the standard for 'big' wrestling events and PPV...
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Post by Patrick Bateman on Oct 11, 2009 18:18:49 GMT -5
Starrcade 1997 was better than a lot of WrestleManias, in my opinion. The hype for that pay-per-view was mythical.
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Post by specterkev on Oct 11, 2009 20:11:14 GMT -5
Starrcade 1997 was better than a lot of WrestleManias, in my opinion. The hype for that pay-per-view was mythical. hell yeah... the hype of hogan/sting was the greatest feud buildup in my life.. shame how it ended.. |
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Post by DTP. on Oct 12, 2009 2:34:48 GMT -5
Starrcade was a fantastic idea in my opinion, but like before noted, Starrcade didn't really get touched as being truly the greatest event of the year like Vince Jr was doing with WrestleMania. I did prefer the 1985 Starrcade with Magnum TA/Tully Blanchard, RnR Express/Koloffs and Dusty/Flair better than WrestleMania with Hogan and Mr T/Piper and Orndorff, but obviously the WWF's 'Mania caused a great boom in wrestling. Not to mention that the concept for Starrcade 1985 [half of the show was held in Greensboro, NC; the other half in Atlanta, GA] was used for WrestleMania 2 in three cities.
I guess what exposed WCW's uncaring nature for Starrcade was revealed in the 1991 edition with the BattleBowl concept, in which there would be forty random teams in a tag tournament, and the twenty winners would fight in a battle royal for a WCW World Heavyweight Championship shot NOT at Starrcade, but Superbrawl the next February. Starrcade was shown there as a mere hypefest for Superbrawl 1992.
I did love it when Ric Flair won the WCW World Heavyweight Championship in his hometown at Starrcade 1993, as that match with Big Van Vader was especially something. And the 1995 edition showcased the prologue before the creation of a cruiserweight division, featuring many different Japanese stars showcased in a WCW vs NJPW series. Then at 1996, though you had a hyped match like Hogan vs Piper main event in a non-title bout, and that occured to hype a match between the two at Superbrawl 1997. Starrcade 1997 was a great event all around, despite the humor in it all that Randy Savage, a big nWo name was thrown into a filler six man tag match. Hogan and Sting's match was dissappointing, but it did peak their massive feud, though the ending to the match accidentally would cause the feud to be forced into expansion.
Starrcade 1998 sadly let us see the end of the Goldberg streak against Kevin Nash, but it was a good match in the long run. And at Starrcade 1999, we were shown Bret Hart's final decent match in his final pay-per-view appearance as he got he got kicked in the face by Goldberg. Bret did wrestle after that, but he ended up retiring a few days before the next pay-per-view after being diagnosed with post-concussion syndrome.
Starrcade 1999 in my opinion was the deepest WCW got in its decline, as the factor of backstage politics mixed with Russo and Ferrera's booking caused WCW to be stuck in a freefall. However, a year later at Starrcade 2000, I felt it was starting to peak back up again, it was a solid card despite their still being five or six gimmick matches and ten matches.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2009 5:37:16 GMT -5
Starrcade 1997 was better than a lot of WrestleManias, in my opinion. The hype for that pay-per-view was mythical. hell yeah... the hype of hogan/sting was the greatest feud buildup in my life.. shame how it ended.. yup.such a shame how it all ended up.what an effin letdown |
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Post by LeighD on Oct 12, 2009 20:09:14 GMT -5
Man I would love it if WWE did a Starrcade anthology! So many classic matches that people should and need to see!
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Post by guyver on Oct 12, 2009 20:59:50 GMT -5
Man I would love it if WWE did a Starrcade anthology! So many classic matches that people should and need to see!  |
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Post by carly1988 on Oct 12, 2009 22:54:55 GMT -5
If you compare from 1985 to say 1993 (when WCW left NWA), top to bottom the actual wrestling matches for Starrcade were better then Wrestlmania most of the time.
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Post by 1992 on Oct 12, 2009 23:00:06 GMT -5
Man I would love it if WWE did a Starrcade anthology! So many classic matches that people should and need to see! <3  One of my favorite wrestling DVDs ever along the Ric Flair & The 4 Horseman. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2009 23:06:48 GMT -5
If you compare from 1985 to say 1993 (when WCW left NWA), top to bottom the actual wrestling matches for Starrcade were better then Wrestlmania most of the time. A lot of Wrestlemania's were one or two match shows, really |
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Post by Burger Lad on Oct 13, 2009 12:56:57 GMT -5
Starcade anthology would be nice!
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Post by Sam Hain on Oct 15, 2009 0:06:28 GMT -5
I remember in the early 90's WCW tried to push away from Starrcade being their premier event and really pushed SuperBrawl, but it just never was the same.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2009 7:42:13 GMT -5
Id love to see Great American Bash,Halloween Havoc and Superbrawl DVDs in the style of the Essential Starrcade we got.
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Post by LeighD on Oct 19, 2009 10:00:51 GMT -5
Man I would love it if WWE did a Starrcade anthology! So many classic matches that people should and need to see! Yes that DVD is probably the closest we will get to a complete Starrcade Anthology. But an Anthology with every possible on DVD would be awesome. |
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