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Post by man on Nov 21, 2008 15:58:49 GMT -5
OK, this was on Wikipedia:
Is this true? Was it suppose to be Hogan vs Austin originally? If so, why would they not agree on a finish? I mean, Hogan put The Rock over clean, did he refuse to do that for Austin or something?
Personally I had no issue at all with Hogan loosing to The Rock. I would not have liked if he lost to Austin, however. It just... would not have the same feel to it.
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Post by Ryan on Nov 21, 2008 16:19:08 GMT -5
Interesting, thats if true though. Wikipedia can be full on crap half the time.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Nov 21, 2008 16:26:36 GMT -5
I've heard that rumor before but have no idea if it's true or not. It's been going around for a while though.
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Post by KeBen Owens on Nov 21, 2008 16:28:16 GMT -5
You got too big superegos the size of Austin and Hogan. Neither one is going to want to lose, and those two have heat from way back when Austin did his "Steveamania" promos in 1995, so I'd be safe to say that they probably won't ever do business.
-BEN
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Post by man on Nov 21, 2008 16:58:52 GMT -5
But Hogan was going to lose at WM X8 anyway... he lost clean to The Rock. Why would he refuse to loose to Austin?
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Post by ihavethepower on Nov 21, 2008 17:15:56 GMT -5
Actually, the way it went down was that Austin refused to work with Hogan AT ALL! Based on Austin's left over grudge for Hogan refusing to work with Austin in WCW.
So Vince offered, Austin refused, then Austin turned around and got piss and said in interviews "I was main eventing the show last year and then they put me in a meaningless match on the midcard a year later". That is almost an exact quote from WWE magazine when Austin came back to WWE after his bitch fit in 02 when he walked out. Being so low on the card at Mania and then being asked to job to Lesnar is what made Austin leave.
Which just proves my point. Vince used Austin to fill the gap when Hogan left, but the moment that Vince was able to get Hogan back, he pushed Austin aside in favor of Hulk. That should show you who Vince values more.
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Post by KeBen Owens on Nov 21, 2008 17:22:03 GMT -5
But Hogan was going to lose at WM X8 anyway... he lost clean to The Rock. Why would he refuse to loose to Austin? He knew that no matter what, WMX8 was going to get him back over. Hogan's not stupid. He knew the Rock was going to be occupied with Hollywood, so he was going to be a face again (just refer to his book, Vince actually wanted to bring back the red and yellow at X8) so he was willing to take that loss. He didn't want to lose to Michaels at Summerslam 2005, so Michaels basically oversold everything to get back at him. There's no way in Hell that Austin would allow Hogan to go over, just as much as Hogan would Austin, so there's just no way the two would ever meet in the ring. -BEN |
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Post by ihavethepower on Nov 21, 2008 17:29:34 GMT -5
But Hogan was going to lose at WM X8 anyway... he lost clean to The Rock. Why would he refuse to loose to Austin? He knew that no matter what, WMX8 was going to get him back over. Hogan's not stupid. He knew the Rock was going to be occupied with Hollywood, so he was going to be a face again (just refer to his book, Vince actually wanted to bring back the red and yellow at X8) so he was willing to take that loss. He didn't want to lose to Michaels at Summerslam 2005, so Michaels basically oversold everything to get back at him. There's no way in Hell that Austin would allow Hogan to go over, just as much as Hogan would Austin, so there's just no way the two would ever meet in the ring. -BEN In 2002, Hogan was willing to job to everyone. Austin refused to work with the man. Now Austin refuses to work with him still, even though the fans have made their desire for the match known. This is one of the reasons that I cannot stand Austin. His fans have asked for the match and he won't give it to them. Hogan was willing to job in 02, Austin missed that boat. Austin should be willing to job now. |
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Post by man on Nov 21, 2008 17:43:12 GMT -5
What are you talking about?! Hogan left in 1993. Austin came into WWF in late 1995. I think you got your facts wrong. Even if you are taling about 1996 King of the Ring vs the Bash at the Beach, you are still mistaken. Austin was not Vince's counter to the NWO, DX was.
If you really want to talk about trying to replace Hogan you should look at 1993 and Lex Luger. The All-American muscle blonde that took on a giant (Yokozuna). That was the Hogan "replacement", one that failed miserably.
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Post by gtm on Nov 21, 2008 17:58:55 GMT -5
ive heard this before and it makes sense. Id have had Hogan Austin as my first choice but looking back Hogan Rock was incredible.
I think that it was mainly to do with Austin because Hogan jobbed to the Rock so im sure he would of for Austin. Austin Hogan to me would have been imense tho as it would be a throwback to the monday night wars having wcw top guy hollywood hogan against WWF Austin.
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Post by LeighD on Nov 22, 2008 5:23:08 GMT -5
I have actually not heard this rumor until now. While I do believe it has some truth to it, I think people putting the blame all on Austin cannot leave Hogan out. I mean yes Hogan jobbed to the Rock, but maybe he wasn't willing to do the same for Austin. I mean the Rock is/was willing to work with just about anyone expect for HBK. Had the chance for Rock vs. HBK came and Rock turned it down, would people be hating the Rock? HBK treated him like crap when he first debuted in the WWF and Rock refuses to work with HBK at all.
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Post by The Sexy Psychotic on Nov 22, 2008 8:55:55 GMT -5
What are you talking about?! Hogan left in 1993. Austin came into WWF in late 1995. I think you got your facts wrong. Even if you are taling about 1996 King of the Ring vs the Bash at the Beach, you are still mistaken. Austin was not Vince's counter to the NWO, DX was. If you really want to talk about trying to replace Hogan you should look at 1993 and Lex Luger. The All-American muscle blonde that took on a giant (Yokozuna). That was the Hogan "replacement", one that failed miserably. WCW, Austin ahd all these ideas, and people like Dusty Rhodes, Savage and Hogan said no, Austin wasn't good enough to fight them, so really, Hogan was the one that really had the first shot at a match between the two |
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Post by ihavethepower on Nov 23, 2008 16:47:04 GMT -5
What are you talking about?! Hogan left in 1993. Austin came into WWF in late 1995. I think you got your facts wrong. Even if you are taling about 1996 King of the Ring vs the Bash at the Beach, you are still mistaken. Austin was not Vince's counter to the NWO, DX was. If you really want to talk about trying to replace Hogan you should look at 1993 and Lex Luger. The All-American muscle blonde that took on a giant (Yokozuna). That was the Hogan "replacement", one that failed miserably. Vince did not have a mainstream star since Hogan left. Vince didn't have that until Austin, so Vince used Austin to bridge that gap and regain the number 1 spot in the industry. THAT is how Vince used Austin to replace Hogan. DX did not turn the ratings around and they got their asses kicked by WCW and the nWo angle. Austin became the second coming of Hogan. Once Vince was back on top and no longer needed to ride Austin, he chose Hogan over Austin in 2002. |
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Post by spawnsyxx9 on Nov 23, 2008 16:48:22 GMT -5
I could see it being true, but at the same time it could be Wiki BS.
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Post by Sims on Nov 23, 2008 16:52:07 GMT -5
What are you talking about?! Hogan left in 1993. Austin came into WWF in late 1995. I think you got your facts wrong. Even if you are taling about 1996 King of the Ring vs the Bash at the Beach, you are still mistaken. Austin was not Vince's counter to the NWO, DX was. If you really want to talk about trying to replace Hogan you should look at 1993 and Lex Luger. The All-American muscle blonde that took on a giant (Yokozuna). That was the Hogan "replacement", one that failed miserably. Vince did not have a mainstream star since Hogan left. Vince didn't have that until Austin, so Vince used Austin to bridge that gap and regain the number 1 spot in the industry. THAT is how Vince used Austin to replace Hogan. DX did not turn the ratings around and they got their asses kicked by WCW and the nWo angle. Austin became the second coming of Hogan. Once Vince was back on top and no longer needed to ride Austin, he chose Hogan over Austin in 2002. I get what you're saying so Cena is bridging the gap between Austin right? |
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Post by ihavethepower on Nov 23, 2008 18:11:09 GMT -5
I get what you're saying so Cena is bridging the gap between Austin right?[/quote] No way! Cena has not changed the industry and it's actually sank under his reign. No matter how they push him, he's not a Hogan, Rock or Austin. I am not even talking skill set. I am talking about ability to draw crowds and ratings. RAW is getting 2.9's. They were getting 2.5 just 13 years ago before the Monday Night Wars. When an industry takes a 13 year backwards step, then that says a lot about how badly Vince has messed everything up since buying the industry. Between Nitro and RAW in March 2001, there were 11 million viewers on Monday Nights. 2.9 today translates into less than 4 million. When you lose 7 million viewers in 7 years, that's horrible and Vince should be shot. I would say Cena is a DX type, not a Hogan or Austin type. DX was the number one thing in the fed when the fed was getting horrible ratings. Hogan and Austin were the number one things and then the business followed them. Cena is nowhere near their league. |
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Post by Nitro on Nov 23, 2008 18:19:53 GMT -5
I dont care if this was true or not, I think Rock vs Hogan was a far better match.
oh and btw to these stories that Vince chose Hogan over Austine is B.S
Vince saw the opportunity to make money by bringing in Hogan the way he did by using the nastolgia factor, and it worked.
So what if Austin didnt get his way, like he said he main evented the last wrestlemania so why not have some respect and take a backseat to Hogan just once.
Hogan deserved a comeback and it made sense business wise to push Hogan.
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Post by K5 on Nov 23, 2008 19:29:44 GMT -5
Actually, the way it went down was that Austin refused to work with Hogan AT ALL! Based on Austin's left over grudge for Hogan refusing to work with Austin in WCW. So Vince offered, Austin refused, then Austin turned around and got piss and said in interviews "I was main eventing the show last year and then they put me in a meaningless match on the midcard a year later". That is almost an exact quote from WWE magazine when Austin came back to WWE after his bitch fit in 02 when he walked out. Being so low on the card at Mania and then being asked to job to Lesnar is what made Austin leave. this is 100% correct...i still have that magazine! this however..is wrong. vince values money. nothing more. |
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