Geting introuble for wareing a wrestling shirt?

[scoobypat]

Jul 7, 2008 19:20:58 GMT -5 Reddevilbigevil said:

Jul 7, 2008 6:16:05 GMT -5 scoobypat said:

LMAO wow that's the most ridiculous interpretation of the law I've ever heard. Either you've completly made up this story or you've neglected to inform us of other vital details (ie. "Oh yeah and he was drunk at the time")Upon entering a public school alot of your rights actually change a significant amount. Legally the school is allowed to carry out things that other wise in many places would be illegal without following the correct channels, searches of people, their cars, etc. All of this lies in the fact that a school harbors children, and the justice system is extremely lenient to this fact, essentially upon entering school grounds you are agreeing to their interpretation of the rules. To some effect it could be said you're violating a decency law, your shirt had an innappropriate message and you were in the presence of numerous children. No court in the country would side with you on this based of the facts you presented. Now I'm just calling into question what you've mentioned, that's not including the plausibility of a kid beating up a man, the fact that it's not self defense, the fact that most schools have a conduct list that students are aware of and many make them sign a contract about, and so on.

You my friend have a grave misconception of the law, so basically what you are saying is that a principal has the right to assualt students who refuse to take off their shirt and turn it inside out? he grabbed my arm which is assualt, after corporal punishment was removed from schools in the late 80`s, teachers are not alowed to touch students at all. Yeah he got beat up, he invaded my personal space and touching someone who doesn`t want to be touched falls under the category of assualt by law. In accordance with the law I was defending myself, from a school principal who had just commited the act of assualt against me. My charges were dropped, he wasn`t formally charged by the police but was made to hand in his resignation after the public school board ordered him to. Theres was a school secratary and 3 student who whitnessed in court. If you don`t believe me what ever who really cares anyways since this incident was most likey before most of you were born and I could care less about any opinions you may have on the subject. So believe what ya want!

No, I absolutely believe that the principles touching you could have been by law construed as assualt, I can absolutely see that actually happening. It's every other part of your story that is so shotty in logic and theory that I have a problem with. Let me break it down for you friend.

Firstly I have to bring up the fact that you seem to believe that "By law it`s considered discrimination to make you take off a shirt that they don`t like" Ok, so I'm just going to move past the glaring fact that you don't seem to understand the concept of discrimination at all and go straight to what you think the law is. I've said this before but I'll repeat myself for the sake of the arguement. Upon entering school grounds every person be it adult or student reliquishes certain rights. A school has the ability to use their discretion to deem a shirt or attire inappropriate and that it be either removed or the subject change. The idea behind this lies in alot of reasoning, it's first and foremost deals alot with inappropriateness. Schools stride for a non-offensive and welcoming atmosphere anything that clashes with that they quite simply will not have. It's also distracting, the purpose of school is to learn and if your shirt is causing a ruckus and drawing attention as you clearly took joy in then they again have the right to ask you to remove it. To be clear your shirt falls in the same category as the kid with a pot leaf on his and the girl with half her ass hanging out of her skirt, it's not appropriate for school.

Now let me move to that second statement you made. "T o discriminate is considered hate, I`m sure you have human right there and can turn this into a bag deal dress code wise for schools all over the U.S." The words human rights should never even be uttered in the same breath as a 14 year old wearing a Suck It t-shirt. Human rights, like discrimination is clearly another concept you have no grasp on. You seem to believe it's your inherent right to wear an offensive shirt to school, it's not as I've previously mentioned. Dress codes are in place for a reasonm it's not like administrators get their jollies making what you wear lame. They do it because you're kids, and you're surrounded by kids, some form of decency and appropriatness is in order in that situation. And actually some of this carries into public, to some degree you are limited in what you can wear outside too, it's called decency laws. Obviously you can't wear anything that reveals your genitals and such, but some states in the US have implemented laws which fine people for showing their underwear, it's all constitutional too.

Now let me move on to the second part, where a man presumebly over 30 gets his " bald headed ass" "pumbled" by a 14 year old. Moving past the fact that I believe your recollection of yourself is probably a little favoring to you I have to point out something that really bothers me with this. "In accordance with the law I was defending myself" This is flat out wrong. Here's another concept you don't understand, self defense. By definition of law self defense is the use of force necessary to defend oneself. What this means is that in the laws eyes you are only allowed to use as much force necessary to remove yourself from danger. "Pumbling" a man who is trying to take your shirt is not self defense, it's assault, which is what you were charged with. If you had defended yourself no charges would have been brought against you. What happened to you was a mutual agreement by both parties to drop the charges, which is why neither you or the principal face legal trouble. In the laws eyes you both were in the wrong.

A few more things that you are misinformed on, one can't be ordered to resign, it's defeats the purpose of what a resignation is. No doubt he was probably pressured to resign, and the public school board would want that rather then firing him because it's just better looking PR wise. You said your charges were dropped, and he was never charged, but you say that there were 3 witnesses in court... if that's the case then none of this would have reached any court. Also invading personal space and simply touching isn't assualt, it's harassment. Not to mention you type like you dropped out in "grade 8" and you were a douche for not taking the shirt off when he asked you too.

This is kind of my major, I live for this legal ownage, so a rebutal would be fun.