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Post by fataldesire on Jul 4, 2008 14:15:54 GMT -5
You my friend, have to be the biggest j*rk Off I have ever heard talk before. He is using a machine that copies the autograph. LMFAO is this a joke? First of all, I have never even heard of this, 2nd of all do you know how much a machine like this would coast? And a 15-16 year old is going to have money to buy a machine, that expensive and his parents do not have a problem with it. Can you explain how he has pictures of Randy orton holding up 4 different belts? 4 different photos also? Kennedy,candice morrison and others also? What did he buy a device that makes people appear and hold items also? Thing is so many people are jealous and just because somebody has something or alot of it its too good to be true. I have bought from this seller before, and if you buy a photo and the signature is in silver rub your finger on it and see if the marker smeres. Cause I can tell you, I bought 1 and put my finger on it and the oil on your fingers takes that right off the photo. So you my friend are a complete J*rk off and have no clue what you are talking about. He's a 15 YEAR OLD KID. (or maybe 16 now.) He used to haggle me on the classifieds. Yes he was Eugene4Life and yes he did get banned. I put his e-mail address in MySpace once last year (because he was so aggravating I wanted to see what he looked like) and it was a 15 year old kid and his girlfriend standing together in a basement surrounded by boxes (I guess all his figs). Anyone can buy figs but a 15 year old having connections to all the big names in wrestling? He can't even drive. Even if he did, how would one even have the time to do all this traveling and keep up their eBay store? Impossible. You guys realize you don't have to fake these things by hand. They have machines you can buy where you scan the signature and the machine reproduces it exactly as scanned. "Auto pen" machines or something like that. You slide the photo threw the machine and it writes it for you. So it's actually signed in real ink, just signed by a computer copier. Celeb agencies use them for sending out signed head shots to fans. It's kind of like printing fake money. I believe that's what he does. So sure an autograph grading company would think the sig as accurate. It's an auto pen copy of the real sig!
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Post by fataldesire on Jul 4, 2008 14:17:14 GMT -5
15-16 yrs old but has over thousands and thousands worth of memorabilia in his store, over 5,000 positive feedback. A perfect feedback score? Doesent a 15-16 yr old go to school? I wonder how he maintains all this work?
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Post by fataldesire on Jul 4, 2008 14:22:44 GMT -5
computer generated? hmm very weird how orton appears there holding each item stores.EBAY LINK NOT ALLOWED/spam_Replica-Belts_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZ605922QQftidZ2QQtZkm inside candice michelle house? computer generated fake? cgi.EBAY LINK NOT ALLOWED/WWE-CANDICE-MICHELLE-SIGNED-PHOTOFILE-86-OF-100-W-PROOF_W0QQitemZ320254295027QQihZ011QQcategoryZ73416QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1713.m153.l1262
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Post by fataldesire on Jul 4, 2008 14:36:44 GMT -5
use can talk all you want, im not here to defend him or anything. if he wanted to make big money easily dont you think instead of a photo he would have hundreds of belts signed instead of hundreds of photos signed? And that orton kennedy candice is not outside a hotel or arena its in there damn rooms.
And 2nd who are you to be telling has too much time on there hands? Your promoting a wrestling fourm and telling people to please come over. And you dont have too much time on your hands
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Post by fataldesire on Jul 4, 2008 14:38:55 GMT -5
The guy is in there hotel rooms. what are you saying? and he does not reuse the proof he has 1 proof for each image, where is he reusing any of his proof for other items can you show me? Look on eBay for a list of known autograph dealers that have been outed over the years. Companies with years of reputation and perfect feedback scores. Collectors who trusted them for years and years until someone outed them. Companies that had all the biggest names signed on beauitful photos with proof of signing. Just because Orton signed 3 legit photos for someone, doesn't mean they won't continue to use that "Orton signing the photos picture" for the additional 70 fakes they sell after those first 3. If the buyers are fooled, they have no reason to leave negative feedback. Everything *looks* A-OK. Until you find out one day all those photos on your wall were autopens. He'll be on that list someday.
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Post by Sound888 on Jul 4, 2008 14:40:14 GMT -5
frankiethewop, just stop. You have no proof of any of the things you said. The seller has proof that he has legit autographs. I've bought from him before, and they're all good. If I go to an autograph signing and don't have anything good to get signed, I just go find him on ebay to buy an autograph by the person I met. He's 100% legit and tells you where he got the autographs from too. You don't need to bad-mouth him about anything. I'm with fataldesire and TommyHyland46 on this situation. Read every auction carefully. If he got the autographs himself, he would say so. He would say he got it at a private signing. If you look at the Owen autographs, he doesn't say where he got it. The most logical reason is that he bought them off an old seller. He has way too many legitimate autographs to say he is a fake.
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Post by fataldesire on Jul 4, 2008 14:42:59 GMT -5
frankiethewop, just stop. You have no proof of any of the things you said. The seller has proof that he has legit autographs. I've bought from him before, and they're all good. If I go to an autograph signing and don't have anything good to get signed, I just go find him on ebay to buy an autograph by the person I met. He's 100% legit and tells you where he got the autographs from too. You don't need to bad-mouth him about anything. I'm with fataldesire and TommyHyland46 on this situation. Read every auction carefully. If he got the autographs himself, he would say so. He would say he got it at a private signing. If you look at the Owen autographs, he doesn't say where he got it. The most logical reason is that he bought them off an old seller. He has way too many legitimate autographs to say he is a fake. EXACYLY!!!.. Everybody buys items off of people what makes you think this guy did not buy his machos hulks owens etc from a collector or seller that he bought out? he does not say he got it from owens hotel or anything. just too many people bashing others. Its really sad
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Post by hbklique1 on Jul 4, 2008 14:43:44 GMT -5
Candice is real, Orton is real, Kennedy is real. SURE. But the Owens sure in the hell ARENT. You dupe the public with your real stock while feeding them your fake stuff at the same time and making the real good money off those. ive seen plenty of signed owen,mr.perfect 8 x10's in almost perfect condition at decent prices ($20-30) at wrestling shows and conventions that are all passed by the psa, so are you saying those are fake as well because they're reasonably priced? realistically, signed wrestling products aren't worth as much as you think they are. sure some places have them overpriced and in bad condition but those dont make them authentic either.
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Post by fataldesire on Jul 4, 2008 14:48:45 GMT -5
there is signed bca figures by owen that only fetch $35-$40 dollars and thats a figure
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Post by KRAYZIE BONE on Jul 4, 2008 15:18:39 GMT -5
LMAO @ this dude going all hell bent to disprove something that he CANT disprove.
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Post by TommyHyland46 on Jul 4, 2008 16:53:56 GMT -5
frankiethewop, just stop. You have no proof of any of the things you said. The seller has proof that he has legit autographs. I've bought from him before, and they're all good. If I go to an autograph signing and don't have anything good to get signed, I just go find him on ebay to buy an autograph by the person I met. He's 100% legit and tells you where he got the autographs from too. You don't need to bad-mouth him about anything. I'm with fataldesire and TommyHyland46 on this situation. Read every auction carefully. If he got the autographs himself, he would say so. He would say he got it at a private signing. If you look at the Owen autographs, he doesn't say where he got it. The most logical reason is that he bought them off an old seller. He has way too many legitimate autographs to say he is a fake. I do know this gentleman and asked him about the Yokozuna's he had, and he pointed out that he never says HE got them. He has bought bulk items from many dealers over the years. Personally, i only buy merchandise he gets done, as he has gotten some rare items done for me, including the Taker 3 pack in my sig. He's a good guy and IF, and i mean IF, the owens/yokos are fake, it has nothing to do with him, he simply buys out a dealer, looks through them items, if they looks good, he sells them...wouldn't you? He really has no way to prove the owens/yokos one way or the other, so he should just sell them and move one with his own stuff. Obviously he has some incredible connections because the photos he has are taken of wrestlers in their hotel rooms, so obviously, they're letting him in. Also, it's imossible to get a wrestler to take proof shots of every, single photo. They're not stupid, they know these photos they're signing are going straight to ebay, so why would they do that? One proof shot is a miracle from a wrestlers in their hotel. Good luck getting Taker to sign something and then getting him to hold it for a photograph...ain't gonna happen. If you feel he's fake, simply don't buy from him, its not affecting you at all.
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Post by Nelly - The Belt Guy on Jul 4, 2008 17:33:09 GMT -5
I can go meet Robert Dinero at a movie premiere and have him sign a 8x10 for me and take a picture of him signing it. Then I can make 70 fake Robert Dinero autographs and use that "Dinero signing photo" for all my fakes. Dinero signed them right? Look he's even holding it! Stop with the back and forth. The seller has his feedback to back up his claim of autographs. He's a good seller and I bought a few things from him before too and I was pleased with it. You're just starting to turn this into a spam argument. Also, I'm not quite sure, but I don't think you're allowed to post the link in your sig to join your forum.
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Post by youngn on Jul 4, 2008 17:51:15 GMT -5
Here's a link to the machine that alot of sellers on ebay use to forge autographs. It can sign anything you just place the autograph in the scanner and place any colour sharpie you wish onto the holder and you have a fake autograph. Alot of sellers use hese to fake signed football shirts and other celebrities autographs. You just have to use your brain $7.99 for a Signed Undertaker photo? Get Real www.signaturemachine.com/products/sigtech_800.html
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Post by youngn on Jul 4, 2008 17:55:04 GMT -5
Here is also what a demo of the signing machine looks like www.signaturemachine.com/products/demo_page.htmHonestly 99% of Autographs on ebay are fakes, all the major autograph sellers have these and there not that expensive ranging from $150-$1500
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Post by TommyHyland46 on Jul 4, 2008 19:10:43 GMT -5
Just found the myspace you described. it is lilpimp503316, and he's 19, and i've worked with him directly. I think you guys assume he was 15 years ago from what you remember, and dont think about the fact he's aging like everyone else....just making a point that he's not 15/16, but 19
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Post by TeamExtreme718x on Jul 4, 2008 23:26:41 GMT -5
Thats pretty aweasome..i might buy some..
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Post by fataldesire on Jul 5, 2008 1:42:10 GMT -5
ok, and people have posted that they have sent his items to psa/dna and everything has come back good. I have sent items to psa/dna before that i have gotten myself and they came back and failed. Not everybody is going to sign an item the whole item. If this guy is using this machine you think he is. Dont you think psa/dna would know? And im 100% positive there is no way you can just insert any item, and the machine will pick the autograph up. if this is the case why is he selling wwe? and not george bush, michael jordan,pope benedict. items that go for $200-1,000 easily? why is he selling boogeyman and paul london etc? does it make since? Im done on this topic, the seller is 100% legit. Im 100% sure. I have compared all his graphs to wwe.com they are all dead on. no machine will make what he is selling. Keep thinking that, maybe stop being so jealous and just relax. if your not buying any, you dont have a problem. No need to bash somebody when you have no proof no evidence or anything. your just spreading rumors and talking out or your A^s
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Post by TommyHyland46 on Jul 5, 2008 9:07:42 GMT -5
If it was a machine, every autograph would be EXACTLY the same, there'd be NO difference, but his signatures have slight variations, like human handwriting does. Like i said before, go write your name 100 times and tell me it looks exactly the same. It doesn't, and neither do these. Use his Eddie Guerrero's for examples and you'll see. Also, he charges more for a Lance Storm promo for 2 reasons. 1, its a promo. if u noticed his undertaker promos go for 40-75, not 10, because promo are more valuable, his photos arent. and the other part is that, idk your opinion, but Lance Storm's a pretty damn tough signature to get. Eddie signed all the time, Lance doesn't
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2008 10:14:12 GMT -5
If it was a machine, every autograph would be EXACTLY the same, there'd be NO difference, but his signatures have slight variations, like human handwriting does. Like i said before, go write your name 100 times and tell me it looks exactly the same. It doesn't, and neither do these. Use his Eddie Guerrero's for examples and you'll see. Also, he charges more for a Lance Storm promo for 2 reasons. 1, its a promo. if u noticed his undertaker promos go for 40-75, not 10, because promo are more valuable, his photos arent. and the other part is that, idk your opinion, but Lance Storm's a pretty damn tough signature to get. Eddie signed all the time, Lance doesn't tommy knows alot about autographs i would belive him all of his autographs are real for sure
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Post by flying-shorty on Jul 5, 2008 10:23:27 GMT -5
why get an autograph u didnt get made for u, nothin better than havin ur name on with theres. but u cant always be sure...plus autograph hunters are usually bungholes who push real fans and kids out of the way to get to the stars
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