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Post by tommyglamm on Jun 30, 2008 22:49:24 GMT -5
they coulda done better with the title
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Post by jomoishollywood on Jun 30, 2008 22:50:42 GMT -5
If there was a "not happy that CM Punk won thread", it would have people who are happy he won post in it. oh. kthnxbi yeah but people praising a guy dosnt cause as much **** as somone bashing a guy does. I'm causing crap? Pardon me for stating my opinion. I dont like the guy, like I stated in the RAW thread... "Not everybody is going to agree on one thing.
It's human nature, something WF isn't aware of."
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Post by Lennon on Jun 30, 2008 22:51:17 GMT -5
ing AWESOME moment. Haven't "marked out" like that since RVD won the title. Great stuff...
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jun 30, 2008 22:58:02 GMT -5
Im not happy he won. At all, and I'm a Punk fan. He's not ready. Plus, Edge deserved a long reign. I'm very pissed off. Because there is no logical reason CM Punk should be World Champion. Some of this I totally agree with. He is not ready to lead the A brand. That is for sure. I am a huge Punk fan and I got no defense for making him 1A and HHH 1B. Do I love the fact that Punk is holding gold? Yes. Did I mark out? Sort of. Mixed reaction, as Edge will always be my all time favorite and he definitely deserved a long reign. He is the king of short title reigns. As far as logic......I definitely see the logic. There is something viable that can be developed. However, it will be walking on eggshells for sure. Remember how the E was building Orton as a babyface when he first won the title? They messed up that story. Well....I should say HHH did. But Punk wont have HHH issues on RAW, at least not as much. So here we have underdog Punk. He is defeats JBL tonight.....get him some other good wins and make him more credible. Make sure you keep the marketing up and let the little kids drool all over him. Keep him clean, sober and straight edge. Make sure he preaches that message to stay over and push sales of tshirts, hats, etc. Give him the John Cena clean babyface persona. But also keep him the underdog. What made people cheer for Cena was his underdog persona. E screwed that up when they made him invincible. No one can beat John Cena......unless you marry Stephanie. I'm hoping Vince has another daughter. If you keep him squeaking by in wins against big names and not dominating any big names, you have a receipe that could work. Its a fine line. You dont want your champion to look weak. Losing isnt a bad thing, but too much of it and then barely beating credible contenders leads to people believing the champion is weak. They wont turn on Punk.....they will just turn to someone else. HHH is always booked as tough guy, regardless if he is a heel or face. The fans gravitate and believe in it......1 b/c they are sheep......2 b/c its consistant.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Jun 30, 2008 23:00:43 GMT -5
Whether you're a CM Punk fan or not is pretty much irrelevant. The pure shock factor was just awesome. I haven't cared this much about someone winning the title since RVD won back at One Night Stand.
It really was an awesome RAW and one of the best moments in a long, long time.
We already witnessed the advantage of not having Triple H and Cena on the same show. Between the two of them and Orton, everything was just so predictable and repetative.
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Post by SMTTT! on Jun 30, 2008 23:01:25 GMT -5
Cool to see Punk won the belt. For those of you who want to use this, it is open to anyone to use.
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Post by American Phenom on Jun 30, 2008 23:01:40 GMT -5
I guess I'll post it here too...
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Post by jomoishollywood on Jun 30, 2008 23:02:40 GMT -5
Im not happy he won. At all, and I'm a Punk fan. He's not ready. Plus, Edge deserved a long reign. I'm very pissed off. Because there is no logical reason CM Punk should be World Champion. Some of this I totally agree with. He is not ready to lead the A brand. That is for sure. I am a huge Punk fan and I got no defense for making him 1A and HHH 1B. Do I love the fact that Punk is holding gold? Yes. Did I mark out? Sort of. Mixed reaction, as Edge will always be my all time favorite and he definitely deserved a long reign. He is the king of short title reigns. As far as logic......I definitely see the logic. There is something viable that can be developed. However, it will be walking on eggshells for sure. Remember how the E was building Orton as a babyface when he first won the title? They messed up that story. Well....I should say HHH did. But Punk wont have HHH issues on RAW, at least not as much. So here we have underdog Punk. He is defeats JBL tonight.....get him some other good wins and make him more credible. Make sure you keep the marketing up and let the little kids drool all over him. Keep him clean, sober and straight edge. Make sure he preaches that message to stay over and push sales of tshirts, hats, etc. Give him the John Cena clean babyface persona. But also keep him the underdog. What made people cheer for Cena was his underdog persona. E screwed that up when they made him invincible. No one can beat John Cena......unless you marry Stephanie. I'm hoping Vince has another daughter. If you keep him squeaking by in wins against big names and not dominating any big names, you have a receipe that could work. Its a fine line. You dont want your champion to look weak. Losing isnt a bad thing, but too much of it and then barely beating credible contenders leads to people believing the champion is weak. They wont turn on Punk.....they will just turn to someone else. HHH is always booked as tough guy, regardless if he is a heel or face. The fans gravitate and believe in it......1 b/c they are sheep......2 b/c its consistant. 1. I know, Triple H shouldve lost it. Edge doesnt have any credilbe reigns, and its not like Triple H wont win it again. Same thing for Edge, but still. 2. Your right, he doesnt have Triple H but he does have John Cena. 3. CM Punk also just isnt believeable enough, I have the same theory for Jeff Hardy... He is just a skinny little kid, who, I dont see winning, anything. Yeah, wrestling is fake, no crap. 4. I really don't understand what that means. Your saying its ok for your top champion to lose?
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Post by P@ul on Jun 30, 2008 23:03:18 GMT -5
When you think back to his days in ROH, this is pretty incredible
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Post by Ace Bennett on Jun 30, 2008 23:09:52 GMT -5
Cool to see Punk won the belt. For those of you who want to use this, it is open to anyone to use. thank you +1
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Post by AdamBomb on Jun 30, 2008 23:12:54 GMT -5
4. I really don't understand what that means. Your saying its ok for your top champion to lose? I think he is saying it's okay for your champion to be human and believable, you know... have flaws, not be perfect; like Superman.
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Post by jomoishollywood on Jun 30, 2008 23:14:29 GMT -5
4. I really don't understand what that means. Your saying its ok for your top champion to lose? I think he is saying it's okay for your champion to be human and believable, you know... have flaws, not be perfect; like Superman. oh, in that case I agree. Its rediculous when they build a wrestler up like that. oh, hey John.
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Post by Mr. Orange on Jun 30, 2008 23:16:32 GMT -5
When you think back to his days in ROH, this is pretty incredible I have to say, that is an awesome sig.
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Post by Mark on Jun 30, 2008 23:26:00 GMT -5
Yeah his signature would've been better if he would've put the titles in order way to that up But regardless! Punk seems to have god watching over him, everything has fallen in to place, he's world champion, pack on a ffew pounds, now hes making top dolla
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Post by P@ul on Jun 30, 2008 23:26:51 GMT -5
When you think back to his days in ROH, this is pretty incredible I have to say, that is an awesome sig. If anyone wants to use it they're free too. Spread the Punk love around!
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Post by Iron Man on Jun 30, 2008 23:31:24 GMT -5
I have to say, that is an awesome sig. If anyone wants to use it they're free too. Spread the Punk love around! Sweet, thanks alot man.
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Post by Wato Stan Account on Jun 30, 2008 23:33:50 GMT -5
Honestly it doesn't matter if a select small group hate it. WWE doesn't cater to you, they cater to that group that for the first minute or so of the main event chanted Cena until they finally realized they should be yelling "CM PUNK!". It happened. You can say whatever you want and complain that Edge lost and not Triple H. It doesn't matter. You just ALWAYS have to bitch. Would you rather have Punk, Batista, or Cena? Personally I'll take Punk, I'm partial to someone I've watched since ROH. I've seen Batista and Cena. Plus all the titles on Raw are on the young talent of WWE.
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Post by Mr. Orange on Jun 30, 2008 23:34:15 GMT -5
Yeah, Punk is doing really well. All of this happened within 10 or so months too.
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Post by jomoishollywood on Jun 30, 2008 23:36:42 GMT -5
Honestly it doesn't matter if a select small group hate it. WWE doesn't cater to you, they cater to that group that for the first minute or so of the main event chanted Cena until they finally realized they should be yelling "CM PUNK!". It happened. You can say whatever you want and complain that Edge lost and not Triple H. It doesn't matter. You just ALWAYS have to bitch. Would you rather have Punk, Batista, or Cena? Personally I'll take Punk, I'm partial to someone I've watched since ROH. I've seen Batista and Cena. Plus all the titles on Raw are on the young talent of WWE. Shouldnt the options be Punk, Batista, Cena, Edge, or Triple H? Because those were the options, Edge was my pick, thats why I'm not happy.
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Post by P@ul on Jun 30, 2008 23:36:51 GMT -5
If you look at the champions page on Raw right now it seems unreal. Punk is the world champion, Kofi is the IC, Rhodes and Dibiase are tag and Mickie is women's world. Crazy stuff for the biggest wrestling promotion in the world.
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