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Post by CBT on Jun 5, 2007 0:08:06 GMT -5
You know I wish I would have had that memo E, because I DO NOT owe anyone a clean record. If I no show, so in' what. You want a small slice of truth, what I posted was all written in a notebook, I've had zero time to type a roleplay out, mainly do to me using the computer for more important purposes. Ones not related to efedding. Now I think Dean covered the overall basis, that being.... I didn't think it was time to drop the belt, I just didn't need it and I seen the opportunity in giving Dean the belt. Obo's statement above me is to loaded for me to speak on, all I'll say is that there's many cases where one guy can pull it all out and still not win. In a nutshell, Dean was not gonna get a no-show from me, but I humbled myself because I had two scenarios infront of me and had to make a decision. There's way to much that can't be compensated in this, stuff like Thunder's original opponent not gonna be around for PPV. Stuff like Dean not having an opponent for PPV. Both very deserving of singles gold. I might not make the best descisions, but I know overall Dean's time was now. Whether or not he beats Thunder, bottom-line I feel he was deserving of beating me, being the better man. Sure I'd imagine at a later date we'll give eachother our best, but in a efed this isn't real life. The best matches are usually blown. So what can I say. I didn't really know where to go with this one.
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Post by Calvin on Jun 5, 2007 11:49:06 GMT -5
you are the owner CBT....you go on and on about people no showing without a reason...and you say "if I no show, so ing what?" Wow....what an owner we have... I'm sorry, but clearly that is not something an owner should say. You say there that you didn't think it was time to drop a belt, but you say you didn't need it. So what, were you waiting for an opportunity to drop it to someone, and Dean just happened to be the lucky man who you dropped it to? Because well, that is what I am seeing. Now as I said before, nothing against Dean. I think he's a great rper. I KNOW if he rped and you rped, he probably would have beaten you. Or atleast would have made it a close match. He's ready to step up, and obviously you have been pushing him hard, giving him title shot after title shot, but I still believe this is the wrong way to win your first title. I would rather post out a great rp, and beat a great man to win my first title ever, then to have it just given to me. But that's just my opinion. Dean's great, he's in his early prime. Thunder is pretty good too. If that's the match at the PPV, and I wish both of them luck. I hope it's a great match. I hope this all can like, get behind us. But just one question CBT before I drop this all around. If you were looking to drop the title, why didnt you just hand it over to Tyme when he faced you? Why did you wait for Dean? I'm just curious. After you answer that, I'm pretty sure I'll be done with this.
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Post by CBT on Jun 5, 2007 22:57:25 GMT -5
Alright fair enough, why didn't I drop it to Tyme? Because at the time Thunder was suppose to face Burton at the PPV. But Kurt told me he has to take time off and Thunder seen no reason in wrestle on PPV in a match that doesn't really inspire him to win. He would know Kurt wouldn't rp, in a nutshell.
Now, I had planned to give Josh the three title shots he got. Never once a title change in mind, but rather a chance to see what he could do given the opportunity. Last week was when I found out about Kurt and immediatly I got in touch with Thunder in the form of planning.
Like I said, I had no intentions of just dropping the belt, but two things did fall in my court.
#1 I had the gauntlet match planned. Thunder roleplaying gave me an opportunity to change the direction he'd be going into the PPV. The winner was gonna be challenging at VVV, so all I needed to work out was an opponent.
#2 Dean was set to face me quite a few weeks ago. Now with plans obviously subject to change, I did see an opportunity in putting the belt on Dean. See, I going into the PPV, planned to wrestle in a match where the belt wouldn't be on the line. However, both Dean and Thunder deserved to be on PPV, just lacked a credible opponent. When I established Thunder as being next in line for a title shot, it honestly made sense for Dean to go over.
Really, had Tyme roleplay a few weeks ago, the match would have happened. No saying whether he'd be champion, but as of this moment, I think Dean won the belt fairly.
Bottom-line, Dean was just in the right place at the right time. Had it been you booked instead of him. There's very little to say on whether or not I'd be congratulating you.
I really can't give you a clear cut answer. I won the belt under strange circumstances. The feud was huge, the belt was slightly secondary... I made it clear "been there done that." But see, beating Wayne did two things. Created a new champion, and gave Wayne the chance to exceed.
Me losing the belt the way I did may seem weak, but I think it was really something that was gonna happen either way. I see no reason why even if I did do a better roleplay, I'd continue to hold onto the belt, when putting it on someone like Dean does more good for the fed.
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Post by thesouthsidekid on Jun 5, 2007 23:29:03 GMT -5
So I know I am the champion, but are we waiting until FDS is actually posted to make the offical title change.
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Post by cureforthesickness on Jun 6, 2007 7:11:03 GMT -5
So I know I am the champion, but are we waiting until FDS is actually posted to make the offical title change. You're set to lose the title soon to Paul Roma and Paul Orndorf in a TV taping. I already seen them filming a promo with the belt.
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Post by Calvin on Jun 6, 2007 13:33:18 GMT -5
ok CBT so what I got out of that was that Burton and Thunder were to face. Burton can't show, so you purposely had Thunder win the gautlet match, despite whether he actually had the better rp or not, and had Dean win the title, so they had a match at the PPV. That is what I just got out of that rant you just wrote...is that what you were trying to say? Because I clearly was not expecting that to be the answer...
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Post by CBT on Jun 6, 2007 14:44:36 GMT -5
ok CBT so what I got out of that was that Burton and Thunder were to face. Burton can't show, so you purposely had Thunder win the gautlet match, despite whether he actually had the better rp or not, and had Dean win the title, so they had a match at the PPV. That is what I just got out of that rant you just wrote...is that what you were trying to say? Because I clearly was not expecting that to be the answer... No. Try Thunder was one of six men to roleplay in the open invitational gauntlet match. He roleplayed, and put out what I thought was the best. Only thing really close was Blaze's. I don't remember if I initially said the title shot would be at PPV, because say Obo or Blaze won. I wouldn't double-book them without their consent, and would have just had the title shot at the following FDS. That said, Thunder put out in my opinion, the best roleplay of any to win it. He wasn't my hand-picked winner if you're trying to insinuate that. The final verdict really is, whoever won the gauntlet was gonna get a title shot. It was never about dropping the belt to anybody. Dean just to me seemed more worthy of holding it as I haven't been at my best and he has and I had planned to face him. Never really feeling the belt was worthless, it just seemed as though he could do more with it than I could. Now had my mindset been different this week, I'd have done everything in my power to retain, and fallback on Wayne making the final call. However I'm not on my dick to the point I can't see when I could do a roleplay leagues about what I offered up this given week. Holding the belt again mean't alot to me as I felt cheated with my first two titles in WFWF and how I lost them. When I was given the win over Wayne, it was never a give in. So winning the belt made the win all the sweeter. But see, like E pointed out once, some belts can have a great prestige yet be on guys who should be elevated and be competing on a greater level. I'm not saying I wouldn't be happy doing my best to hold onto the belt. However I'm not gonna screw Dean out of winning the belt when odds are he was gonna do what it takes to win it. Simply put, me and Dean will meet again. Call it a fluke win if you will, he's not gonna be a 1 hit wonder off my name.
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Post by cureforthesickness on Jun 7, 2007 3:33:52 GMT -5
man, no matter how you try to explain yourself, it keeps coming back sounding like "hey, I'm better than this title, so I'm giving it away" ala the Shawn Michaels to HHH European title switch, circa 1997.
if you really wanted to just get rid of the title, you could have vacated it and made Dean versus Thunder for the vacated title. This is no offense to Josh Dean at all, because he's a hell of a roleplayer, but this whole scenario comes off as cheap and stinking..
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Post by CBT on Jun 7, 2007 14:03:25 GMT -5
I never wanted to get rid of the title. I just put out an effort and felt like it wasn't enough to be Dean. Maybe all the explaining in the world won't put me in good grace with those who took offense. But I've said in the past I am a perfectionist, and just like returning, I fall heavy on how my roleplays are seen and interpreted. In this case, unless Dean failed to show I knew he had me. It was never about taking the title off me. It was only about two things.
Giving Dean a chance to show me he could be worthy of holding a belt, because I feel he can, but to often guys have hot periods than leave right when they're about to capitalize on them.
The other reason the match went down was because, I seriously wanted a match with Dean, along with McGurk he was one of the guys in the last 3-4 months or so I seen and really thought I could have a good match with. Simple formula.
So yea, while I can imagine you guys having concern, I really don't feel the need to say I'm better than anything because for the last two years I struggled with no reward but the roleplays I did. The only two titles I held were in my first six months. Both winning and losing them. So yea, winning the belt from whom I won it from, was hardly a small nod in my favor.
Thunder did need a match at PPV, but he also put out the best complete roleplay in the gauntlet. In my opinion, outshining ALL others. While in Dean's case, he caught me on an off day and really I'm not ashamed to lose the belt, because I know Dean can do alot of good with it.
So yea, I'm not gonna take anymore time away from the roleplays that deserve time, this is locked hopefully my last post in it being the most rational one. If you still have worries about the way it went down or my explanation, just pm me. I'm also gonna bump the other rps.
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