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Post by Nivro™ on Jan 22, 2019 18:50:15 GMT -5
In case you hadn’t heard, they will be very soon. The owners are multi billionaires. People that rich don’t make small investments. You don’t amass a fortune like that just to start an Indy fed. Look what happened to TNA A rich dad gave their kid money to start a company. A mediocre star, who’s father was a famous booker was giving a lot of control. Until they have weekly shows and an actual tv deal, they’re not a major wrestling company. This. I love people using the "they're billionaires" all the time. The reason they are billionaires is because they know when to cut their losses. If AEW isnt turning a profit, they're not going to continue dumping their money into it. Until they have a prime time TV slot on a legit network & are turning a profit....they arent major.
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Post by micco on Jan 22, 2019 21:13:49 GMT -5
Look what happened to TNA A rich dad gave their kid money to start a company. A mediocre star, who’s father was a famous booker was giving a lot of control. Until they have weekly shows and an actual tv deal, they’re not a major wrestling company. This. I love people using the "they're billionaires" all the time. The reason they are billionaires is because they know when to cut their losses. If AEW isnt turning a profit, they're not going to continue dumping their money into it. Until they have a prime time TV slot on a legit network & are turning a profit....they arent major. I know you fellow marks read the same Jericho interview as I did where he revealed that there is a tv deal in place. What billionaire would start a wrestling promotion and not have it be a television program. You guys watch too much of the indies. Aew will be like an Indy with a billions of dollar machine pulling it. In other words, nothing like an Indy. It may go the way of tna. Tna was on national prime time television. Live at one point. It had two separate toy lines. A video game. Some of these accomplishments took place before they even had the billion dollar backing. The tna comparison is a fair one. Surely they’d hope to be more successful, but you guys are acting like if they only duplicate the success of tna that they’d not have achieved anything and that’s not true because if you compared a prime tna to any random Indy it would be like comparing eminem to a kid at your local high school talent show.
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Post by Nivro™ on Jan 22, 2019 21:47:43 GMT -5
This. I love people using the "they're billionaires" all the time. The reason they are billionaires is because they know when to cut their losses. If AEW isnt turning a profit, they're not going to continue dumping their money into it. Until they have a prime time TV slot on a legit network & are turning a profit....they arent major. I know you fellow marks read the same Jericho interview as I did where he revealed that there is a tv deal in place. What billionaire would start a wrestling promotion and not have it be a television program. You guys watch too much of the indies. Aew will be like an Indy with a billions of dollar machine pulling it. In other words, nothing like an Indy. It may go the way of tna. Tna was on national prime time television. Live at one point. It had two separate toy lines. A video game. Some of these accomplishments took place before they even had the billion dollar backing. The tna comparison is a fair one. Surely they’d hope to be more successful, but you guys are acting like if they only duplicate the success of tna that they’d not have achieved anything and that’s not true because if you compared a prime tna to any random Indy it would be like comparing eminem to a kid at your local high school talent show. I never said they didnt have a TV deal...i said a LEGIT tv deal. TNA/Impact hasnt been on a legit channel in what 3 years? Even then Spike wasnt in every market. Sorry but if AEW pops up on Twitch or Fite or whatever random streaming service that is available to all of 50k people...its not gonna be major.
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Post by Ruby Fusion on Jan 23, 2019 4:47:59 GMT -5
I know you fellow marks read the same Jericho interview as I did where he revealed that there is a tv deal in place. What billionaire would start a wrestling promotion and not have it be a television program. You guys watch too much of the indies. Aew will be like an Indy with a billions of dollar machine pulling it. In other words, nothing like an Indy. It may go the way of tna. Tna was on national prime time television. Live at one point. It had two separate toy lines. A video game. Some of these accomplishments took place before they even had the billion dollar backing. The tna comparison is a fair one. Surely they’d hope to be more successful, but you guys are acting like if they only duplicate the success of tna that they’d not have achieved anything and that’s not true because if you compared a prime tna to any random Indy it would be like comparing eminem to a kid at your local high school talent show. I never said they didnt have a TV deal...i said a LEGIT tv deal. TNA/Impact hasnt been on a legit channel in what 3 years? Even then Spike wasnt in every market. Sorry but if AEW pops up on Twitch or Fite or whatever random streaming service that is available to all of 50k people...its not gonna be major. TNA was broadcasted worldwide when it's popularity peaked: from 2005 to about 2010. Even Lucha Underground was broadcasted worldwide. AEW won't be big right from the start, but I think it's debut will be better than TNA's debut. .
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Post by disorder on Jan 23, 2019 22:27:50 GMT -5
Look what happened to TNA A rich dad gave their kid money to start a company. A mediocre star, who’s father was a famous booker was giving a lot of control. Until they have weekly shows and an actual tv deal, they’re not a major wrestling company. This. I love people using the "they're billionaires" all the time. The reason they are billionaires is because they know when to cut their losses. If AEW isnt turning a profit, they're not going to continue dumping their money into it. Until they have a prime time TV slot on a legit network & are turning a profit....they arent major. This. I love people using the "they're billionaires" all the time. The reason they are billionaires is because they know when to cut their losses. If AEW isnt turning a profit, they're not going to continue dumping their money into it. Until they have a prime time TV slot on a legit network & are turning a profit....they arent major. I know you fellow marks read the same Jericho interview as I did where he revealed that there is a tv deal in place. What billionaire would start a wrestling promotion and not have it be a television program. You guys watch too much of the indies. Aew will be like an Indy with a billions of dollar machine pulling it. In other words, nothing like an Indy. It may go the way of tna. Tna was on national prime time television. Live at one point. It had two separate toy lines. A video game. Some of these accomplishments took place before they even had the billion dollar backing. The tna comparison is a fair one. Surely they’d hope to be more successful, but you guys are acting like if they only duplicate the success of tna that they’d not have achieved anything and that’s not true because if you compared a prime tna to any random Indy it would be like comparing eminem to a kid at your local high school talent show. The initial money came from a billionaire, but you could be sure as crap that they won’t risk their fortune for this company. If it isn’t turning the profit they expect, they won’t be dumping all their money into it. I would love for them to get huge and do great, but some of you have the most ridiculous expectations...with extremely limited details
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Post by micco on Jan 24, 2019 8:28:00 GMT -5
This. I love people using the "they're billionaires" all the time. The reason they are billionaires is because they know when to cut their losses. If AEW isnt turning a profit, they're not going to continue dumping their money into it. Until they have a prime time TV slot on a legit network & are turning a profit....they arent major. I know you fellow marks read the same Jericho interview as I did where he revealed that there is a tv deal in place. What billionaire would start a wrestling promotion and not have it be a television program. You guys watch too much of the indies. Aew will be like an Indy with a billions of dollar machine pulling it. In other words, nothing like an Indy. It may go the way of tna. Tna was on national prime time television. Live at one point. It had two separate toy lines. A video game. Some of these accomplishments took place before they even had the billion dollar backing. The tna comparison is a fair one. Surely they’d hope to be more successful, but you guys are acting like if they only duplicate the success of tna that they’d not have achieved anything and that’s not true because if you compared a prime tna to any random Indy it would be like comparing eminem to a kid at your local high school talent show. The initial money came from a billionaire, but you could be sure as crap that they won’t risk their fortune for this company. If it isn’t turning the profit they expect, they won’t be dumping all their money into it. I would love for them to get huge and do great, but some of you have the most ridiculous expectations...with extremely limited details I don’t think you have any concept of how wealthy the khans are in relation to the cost of producing a tv series. It wouldn’t even make a dent in their fortune. If it were completely not profitable, it would take years before they noticed it affect their account balance. The show would be cancelled due to low ratings way before anything like that could happen. So, yeah. Of course nobody is gonna sink their entire fortune into any investment. What it would take to produce a competitive product is peanuts to the khans though. I’m not predicting that aew will be successful. I’m just saying that they will be legitimate in terms of the quality and production value. It won’t be a lack of resources that determines their success.
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Post by @Chair.Shot on Jan 24, 2019 12:52:02 GMT -5
To add to that point, when they land a TV deal, a lot of their costs will be covered. The rest, over time, could likely be made up with merch and tickets. Maybe not over night but it’s not like they will be hemorrhaging money like WCW was. There will be a ton of costs to start this company up, yes, but the lucrative contracts are paid monthly, not all at once. It’s not as if they have to shell out $30,000,000.00 to the boys in week one of the show.
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Post by disorder on Jan 24, 2019 12:52:38 GMT -5
The initial money came from a billionaire, but you could be sure as crap that they won’t risk their fortune for this company. If it isn’t turning the profit they expect, they won’t be dumping all their money into it. I would love for them to get huge and do great, but some of you have the most ridiculous expectations...with extremely limited details I don’t think you have any concept of how wealthy the khans are in relation to the cost of producing a tv series. It wouldn’t even make a dent in their fortune. If it were completely not profitable, it would take years before they noticed it affect their account balance. The show would be cancelled due to low ratings way before anything like that could happen. So, yeah. Of course nobody is gonna sink their entire fortune into any investment. What it would take to produce a competitive product is peanuts to the khans though. I’m not predicting that aew will be successful. I’m just saying that they will be legitimate in terms of the quality and production value. It won’t be a lack of resources that determines their success. No one is denying their resources. To the level of wwe quality, it will take millions. Yes, they are billionaires, I get that. Doesn’t mean they even know how to run a wrestling company. Not only that, but until a legitimate tv deal is announced and they get a larger/more impressive roster, they shouldn’t even be in the category of possible competition yet. Cody and the bucks aren’t as huge of a draw as some think. Internet marks adore them, but will they be able to connect with a wide audience week in and week out? Same people that give Vince crap for getting into football, but are welcoming to a football family booking wrestling. My whole thing is, they are being way too hyped for the minimal amount of info given, besides Jericho and Cody walking around like he’s worth more than he is
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Post by disorder on Jan 24, 2019 12:55:27 GMT -5
To add to that point, when they land a TV deal, a lot of their costs will be covered. The rest, over time, could likely be made up with merch and tickets. Maybe not over night but it’s not like they will be hemorrhaging money like WCW was. There will be a ton of costs to start this company up, yes, but the lucrative contracts are paid monthly, not all at once. It’s not as if they have to shell out $30,000,000.00 to the boys in week one of the show. Yeah, but it’s all if they can even draw. Can’t base it on the turnout for a one off show last summer. They will have to book and write weekly tv, which no one knows if they can even do it, let alone draw eyes to the product that aren’t sweaty nerds who drool over them online. Land a tv deal that is nationally syndicated, on a channel that is available everywhere.
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Post by micco on Jan 24, 2019 13:22:28 GMT -5
To add to that point, when they land a TV deal, a lot of their costs will be covered. The rest, over time, could likely be made up with merch and tickets. Maybe not over night but it’s not like they will be hemorrhaging money like WCW was. There will be a ton of costs to start this company up, yes, but the lucrative contracts are paid monthly, not all at once. It’s not as if they have to shell out $30,000,000.00 to the boys in week one of the show. None of them have to be able to draw. The show just needs decent enough ratings in its time slot to sell advertising. Getting on a network isn’t going to be difficult. Maintaining a prime time slot could be. My whole point is just that people are acting like landing a tv deal will be hard... that’s actually laughable considering the billionaires that we are dealing with. The whole topic of the thread is “which you company should make aew figures”. Then a bunch of people who are justifiably skeptical based on wwe’s lack of competition for close to two decades chimed in with the illogical suggestion that they won’t be legit enough to warrant a figure line based on the fact the the tv deal hasn’t been announced yet but by their own admission, recognize that aew is at least comparable to tna who had two toy lines and a video game.
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Post by vampiroporvida on Jan 24, 2019 13:25:02 GMT -5
To add to that point, when they land a TV deal, a lot of their costs will be covered. The rest, over time, could likely be made up with merch and tickets. Maybe not over night but it’s not like they will be hemorrhaging money like WCW was. There will be a ton of costs to start this company up, yes, but the lucrative contracts are paid monthly, not all at once. It’s not as if they have to shell out $30,000,000.00 to the boys in week one of the show. Yeah, but it’s all if they can even draw. Can’t base it on the turnout for a one off show last summer. They will have to book and write weekly tv, which no one knows if they can even do it, let alone draw eyes to the product that aren’t sweaty nerds who drool over them online. Land a tv deal that is nationally syndicated, on a channel that is available everywhere. Wrestling fans like to watch wrestling. If they can advertise for it, surely it will be the old "if we build it they will come" addage. Can they buy airtime on say a USA or Fox? Superbowl ad? It is all about eyes...
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Post by Purple Reigns on Jan 24, 2019 16:40:18 GMT -5
I wish Mattel, but it's highly unlikely. A Kenny Omega Elite would be amazing
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Post by disorder on Jan 25, 2019 6:49:46 GMT -5
To add to that point, when they land a TV deal, a lot of their costs will be covered. The rest, over time, could likely be made up with merch and tickets. Maybe not over night but it’s not like they will be hemorrhaging money like WCW was. There will be a ton of costs to start this company up, yes, but the lucrative contracts are paid monthly, not all at once. It’s not as if they have to shell out $30,000,000.00 to the boys in week one of the show. None of them have to be able to draw. The show just needs decent enough ratings in its time slot to sell advertising. Getting on a network isn’t going to be difficult. Maintaining a prime time slot could be. My whole point is just that people are acting like landing a tv deal will be hard... that’s actually laughable considering the billionaires that we are dealing with. The whole topic of the thread is “which you company should make aew figures”. Then a bunch of people who are justifiably skeptical based on wwe’s lack of competition for close to two decades chimed in with the illogical suggestion that they won’t be legit enough to warrant a figure line based on the fact the the tv deal hasn’t been announced yet but by their own admission, recognize that aew is at least comparable to tna who had two toy lines and a video game. The one being illogical is you. They don’t need to draw?? Really? The workers don’t have to draw and captivate an audience? How do you think they get advertising? From having a successful show people want to watch. How do they have a successful product with high viewers? Good writing and a roster than can draw a crowd in. They’re not comparable to TNA yet, because they’ve been a promotion for a month and have only two events as of now in the works. Again, when they have a tv deal announced, they can be compared to TNA. Onto the figures... Would be awesome for hasbro to be back in the game. But I can’t see hasbro jumping in unless they are doing really well ratings wise. Would be cool to see funko take a stab at it. Maybe like their stranger things figures
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Post by micco on Jan 25, 2019 8:05:29 GMT -5
None of them have to be able to draw. The show just needs decent enough ratings in its time slot to sell advertising. Getting on a network isn’t going to be difficult. Maintaining a prime time slot could be. My whole point is just that people are acting like landing a tv deal will be hard... that’s actually laughable considering the billionaires that we are dealing with. The whole topic of the thread is “which you company should make aew figures”. Then a bunch of people who are justifiably skeptical based on wwe’s lack of competition for close to two decades chimed in with the illogical suggestion that they won’t be legit enough to warrant a figure line based on the fact the the tv deal hasn’t been announced yet but by their own admission, recognize that aew is at least comparable to tna who had two toy lines and a video game. The one being illogical is you. They don’t need to draw?? Really? The workers don’t have to draw and captivate an audience? How do you think they get advertising? From having a successful show people want to watch. How do they have a successful product with high viewers? Good writing and a roster than can draw a crowd in. They’re not comparable to TNA yet, because they’ve been a promotion for a month and have only two events as of now in the works. Again, when they have a tv deal announced, they can be compared to TNA. Onto the figures... Would be awesome for hasbro to be back in the game. But I can’t see hasbro jumping in unless they are doing really well ratings wise. Would be cool to see funko take a stab at it. Maybe like their stranger things figures Is anyone in WOW a draw? Lucha Underground (anyone who might have been a draw they slapped a mask on) The answer is “no”. Do they have tv shows? The answer is “yes”. They don’t sell tickets. They don’t even tour. Neither did tna for years. Nobody has to be a draw if you follow this model. And yet tna has to toy lines and a video game.
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Post by disorder on Jan 25, 2019 13:13:52 GMT -5
The one being illogical is you. They don’t need to draw?? Really? The workers don’t have to draw and captivate an audience? How do you think they get advertising? From having a successful show people want to watch. How do they have a successful product with high viewers? Good writing and a roster than can draw a crowd in. They’re not comparable to TNA yet, because they’ve been a promotion for a month and have only two events as of now in the works. Again, when they have a tv deal announced, they can be compared to TNA. Onto the figures... Would be awesome for hasbro to be back in the game. But I can’t see hasbro jumping in unless they are doing really well ratings wise. Would be cool to see funko take a stab at it. Maybe like their stranger things figures Is anyone in WOW a draw? Lucha Underground (anyone who might have been a draw they slapped a mask on) The answer is “no”. Do they have tv shows? The answer is “yes”. They don’t sell tickets. They don’t even tour. Neither did tna for years. Nobody has to be a draw if you follow this model. And yet tna has to toy lines and a video game. Obviously you know jack crap of booking anything. Tna had a good roster at the time that brought attention to them. Lucha can’t be compared to any others, because they have stated that their not a wrestling promotion.
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Post by micco on Jan 25, 2019 21:27:31 GMT -5
Is anyone in WOW a draw? Lucha Underground (anyone who might have been a draw they slapped a mask on) The answer is “no”. Do they have tv shows? The answer is “yes”. They don’t sell tickets. They don’t even tour. Neither did tna for years. Nobody has to be a draw if you follow this model. And yet tna has to toy lines and a video game. Obviously you know jack crap of booking anything. Tna had a good roster at the time that brought attention to them. Lucha can’t be compared to any others, because they have stated that their not a wrestling promotion. Abyss, AJ styles, Jeff Jarrett, raven... that tna impact series 1. Which one of these guys was a big draw in 2005? You watch too many of these old guys’ shoot interviews. A draw the way you’re thinking about it is an outdated concept and has been for awhile. Of course you need capable performers but tbh at times tna had to heavily edit matches and aew will enjoy the same luxury because I doubt I’d they’ll be broadcasting live.
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Post by Jay "The Brain" Mann [OFSU] on Jan 25, 2019 23:35:25 GMT -5
I think they’d be best off going with Remco.
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Post by Ruby Fusion on Jan 26, 2019 8:35:13 GMT -5
I think they’d be best off going with Remco. That would be Zoloworld then; Remco doesn't exist anymore, Zoloworld owns the molds.
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Post by newgenandy on Jan 27, 2019 12:28:04 GMT -5
They might have the money, but do they have the know-how?
With all due respect to cody et all they are not backstage, in the truck guys. Kevin Dunn and his team have been with WWE from the golden era through new gen, attitude era, rutheless aggression to PG eras. During that time trends have come and gone and they have experienced it all. They know how to shoot everything perfectly, how to light things...they know how to make an arena look full, how to present everything to its fullest. Even with turners money wcw never really looked as good as WWE. Likewise ROH, NJPW etc all look 2nd rate compared to wwe
their package as a whole, not just in ring action but the full presentation cant be competed with because of the knowledge the backstage guys all have
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Post by Danger10 on Jan 27, 2019 13:24:22 GMT -5
With AEW I don't know what I'm more excited about: a new fresh company or the possibility of a new line of figures.
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