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Post by Rob on Jul 26, 2016 21:26:24 GMT -5
Dolph Ziggler has been pretty much been the same guy For YEARS Now so why is everyone turning on him? Thats the problem. Dude has become stale as 3 month old bread left on the counter. Throwing him in a title match isnt going to change anything.
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Post by Gone. on Jul 26, 2016 21:27:17 GMT -5
Dolph vs Dean should be fun. Nice that we have two solid contenders for an entire month.
Wait, is Backlash before SummerSlam? Can't be? Right?
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Post by hbkowns on Jul 26, 2016 21:27:26 GMT -5
Only one of the guys you mentioned are on the smackdown roster are on the smackdown roster. There's a pecking order and Dolph has towed the company line enough and walked through a mile of sh*t to finally get a shot at the wwe title. I don't care if you're Sami Zayn, the Club, Nakamura, AJ Styles, or Samoa Joe. Ziggler has been with the company for about 12 years and has put on terrific performances. I love all those guys you listed but Ziggler deserves it over all of those guys. Without a doubt. Right, spot on. My point is just that things have totally changed. Sure people were clinging to Dolph, but right this second, peoples expectations went through the roof 23 Hours ago with Finn being and I quote 'the Number 1 Contender for the Universal Championship.' I mean just think about that sentence for a second. Well what were people expecting? Just look at the roster and who was in that six pack challenge match. Corbin or Crewa going against Ambrose? No. Cena and and Styles are in a program. The only 2 logical choices were Bray or Ziggler.
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Post by Gone. on Jul 26, 2016 21:28:12 GMT -5
Right, spot on. My point is just that things have totally changed. Sure people were clinging to Dolph, but right this second, peoples expectations went through the roof 23 Hours ago with Finn being and I quote 'the Number 1 Contender for the Universal Championship.' I mean just think about that sentence for a second. Well what were people expecting? Just look at the roster and who was in that six pack challenge match. Corbin or Crewa going against Ambrose? No. Cena and and Styles are in a program. The only 2 logical choices were Bray or Ziggler. I think out of those choices the closest was probably Apollo when comparing against Finn.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 21:28:49 GMT -5
Keeping in mind of course that in 2015, Sami Zayn, AJ Styles, the Club, Nakamura and Samoa Joe weren't hired by the WWE... (or made a main roster debut) Only one of the guys you mentioned are on the smackdown roster are on the smackdown roster. There's a pecking order and Dolph has towed the company line enough and walked through a mile of sh*t to finally get a shot at the wwe title. I don't care if you're Sami Zayn, the Club, Nakamura, AJ Styles, or Samoa Joe. Ziggler has been with the company for about 12 years and has put on terrific performances. I love all those guys you listed but Ziggler deserves it over all of those guys. Without a doubt. I agree he's been busting ass for years.Its not like he's gonna win the belt at Summerslam so why should people be this mad.Just wait and see you may actually like the match.
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Post by TheLastDude on Jul 26, 2016 21:29:00 GMT -5
Dolph vs Dean should be fun. Nice that we have two solid contenders for an entire month. Wait, is Backlash before SummerSlam? Can't be? Right? Backlash is in September
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Post by marino13 on Jul 26, 2016 21:31:18 GMT -5
I wouldn't go as far as to say WWE is purposely trying to make SD look inferior. If that was the case, they certainly would not have had Cena & Orton on the SD roster. And considering each show has their own writing staff, there would be no benefit to make RAW look better. So I doubt anyone is sabotaging SD intentionally.
If anything, I would say RAW just put out the better show this week. Next week may be something completely different.
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Post by grandmasterPRA on Jul 26, 2016 21:31:44 GMT -5
Just got back from Smackdown. It's the third straight show I've been to live that was pretty disappointing. Not horrible but not great. Was hoping to see American Alpha, and they were in the ring for the opening promo but never showed up after that. The debuting women was handled terribly, why not have them debut in an actual match? Or something semi meaningful? Orton, Styles and Cena got the biggest reactions tonight. Why Orton gets cheered so much I'll never know cause he is incredibly boring. Oh and some loser behind me chanted CM Punk the entire night and crapped on everything that happened all night. And the fattest person in the arena sat next to me and their fat hung on me the whole show........ Other than that though the show was OK.
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Post by J12 on Jul 26, 2016 21:35:30 GMT -5
I'm afraid Ziggler is damaged beyond repair. I really hope they can rehabilitate him in the coming weeks, but man, his stock is so unbelievably depleted. It also pretty firmly routes the WWE title match as a mid card bout. Overall, Not a great show. Not a smart use of the roster. Everything new Smackdown did, Raw did better. Maybe to some people on this site, but not according to the crowd each time he shows up I'd disagree with that. Ziggler was very frequently out-popping everyone on the roster except for Bryan for a good period during 2013 and 2014. He was so hot. After the Survivor Series '14 push, and subsequent demotion, it seemed that the crowd caught on that WWE was never really going to take the guy seriously. At that point, his reactions tampered off significantly. Ziggler, like Orton, gets a star reaction when his music hits, and not much else. They're stars, but they've really brought nothing new or exciting to the table for quite a long time. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not faulting Ziggler entirely for that. For a long time, he was one of my absolute favorites on the roster. Eventually, though, I was conditioned by WWE to realize that this guy wasn't ever going to be more than a 50/50 mid-card guy who gets wins when they need him, but mostly loses in competitive matches. The good hand, but nothing more. Now, suddenly, he's the number one contender for what it is supposed to be the biggest title in the company. It's just hard to buy into when they've spent two plus years telling us he's not a guy you rally behind. Because the Smackdown roster is so thin, I have at least some level of hope that they're going to go into full rebuild/rehabilitate mode in the coming weeks. Dolph is incredibly talented. If anyone can pull himself out from six feet under when given a real opportunity, it's him. I hope he can.
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Post by T R W on Jul 26, 2016 21:37:38 GMT -5
That show was balls deep in a dumpster fire.
And jesus please God quit that spinning camera and weird angles and too much zoom.
Otunga is awful and JBL is still awful.
Smackdown made me no longer want to live.
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Post by punksnotdead on Jul 26, 2016 21:37:58 GMT -5
I popped hard for Ziggler winning. I thought AJ was 100% taking it. It's legit Ziggler's time. Turn him heel and put him over. What an awesome decision. I thought almost all of Smackdown felt pretty run of the mill but I got sucked into the main event. Floored for Ambrose vs Ziggler.
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Post by J12 on Jul 26, 2016 21:43:13 GMT -5
What do you think the thinking process was behind giving Dolph the nod to go over tonight? A couple of things: 1. WWE realizes that it's absolutely crucial that they get some mid-card talent elevated into the main event scene on Smackdown. With AJ and Cena still unresolved, they needed someone to work with Dean at Summerslam. Enter Dolph. Now, historically, WWE's definition of elevating talent has just been to throw the guy in a title match and hope for the best. That's not going to work here. Dolph needs character rehab, badly. I'm really hoping that's what they're planning to do, but I'm not going to hold my breath. It could get really exciting if they actually try, though. 2. In the short term, they needed a headline. Raw had all the flashy headlines last night. If you missed the show, then checked your phone this morning, you probably saw, "Finn Balor debuts", "Finn Balor pins Roman Reigns cleanly", "Finn Balor challenging for new Universal Championship", "Sasha Banks new Women's Champion." Those are attention grabbers. Conversely, Smackdown didn't initially do much tonight to grab people's attention, but "Dolph Ziggler new number one contender" is certainly going to turn some heads, good or bad.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 21:44:04 GMT -5
I thought Eva Marie's entrance was entertaining to watch
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 21:46:56 GMT -5
Dolph vs Dean should be fun. Nice that we have two solid contenders for an entire month. Wait, is Backlash before SummerSlam? Can't be? Right? I Think he said September 11th
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Post by J12 on Jul 26, 2016 21:47:09 GMT -5
PS, JBL is still absolutely insufferable and is already doing damage to the presentation of the show. His voice went a long way in making tonight feel less like the new era and more like pre-Draft Raw Lite.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Jul 26, 2016 21:48:30 GMT -5
Iwc in 2014-2015: "omg push Ziggler he is way too talented and deserves more, he's constantly getting buried" Iwc in 2016: "Yuck why does Ziggler have a shot at the wwe title, yuck Smackdown sucks" ......how petty. But anyways, good for Ziggler, I hope he and Dean tear the house down. But it's going to be hard to compete with Balor vs Rollins. Another person who doesn't understand the way horrible booking plays a factor when you're trying to build up a legitimate contender.
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Post by el torro on Jul 26, 2016 21:52:32 GMT -5
Ziggler back in the main event?? I may have to watch WWE consistently again.
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Post by Robert69 on Jul 26, 2016 21:56:35 GMT -5
I wouldn't go as far as to say WWE is purposely trying to make SD look inferior. If that was the case, they certainly would not have had Cena & Orton on the SD roster. And considering each show has their own writing staff, there would be no benefit to make RAW look better. So I doubt anyone is sabotaging SD intentionally. If anything, I would say RAW just put out the better show this week. Next week may be something completely different. And that makes it ENTIRELY worth tuning into WWE for the first time in -- a VERY long time.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jul 26, 2016 21:56:55 GMT -5
Iwc in 2014-2015: "omg push Ziggler he is way too talented and deserves more, he's constantly getting buried" Iwc in 2016: "Yuck why does Ziggler have a shot at the wwe title, yuck Smackdown sucks" ......how petty. But anyways, good for Ziggler, I hope he and Dean tear the house down. But it's going to be hard to compete with Balor vs Rollins. It's not petty. I wanted him to get pushed at the end of 2014. Then, he had a piss poor 2015 and had tons of lackluster performances. He shouldn't be in the SummerSlam title match.
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Post by Quazimoto on Jul 26, 2016 22:01:59 GMT -5
Watching now (I DVR WWE - can't take that many commercials every week)... One thing that stands out to me right away at the beginning is that SmackDown just seems to be missing something in the roster. They need another two "younger" stars. IMO, it would benefit SmackDown hugely if Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn continued their fued under the premise that they simply can't co-exist on the same show, leading to a loser leaves RAW match. The benefit of having either Zayn or Owens on SmackDown would outway the stigma of the blue brand getting the "loser" IMO. Then have Cesaro continue to voice his frustrations, leading to him being "fired" or something so he can head to SmackDown to try and break through the proverbial glass ceiling. I think that would balance the rosters out a bit more in terms of top to bottom talent.
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