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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 14:57:39 GMT -5
Still my favorite Macho to date regardless of the jacket
The jacket would have been hard plastic junk anyways
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 15:16:15 GMT -5
Your whole argument of your original post is that it was too expensive, and didn't come with a vest. You saw it didn't come with a vest, and still bought it. We know this because you came on here to tell us that after you bought it, it was expensive, and has no vest. Hold on, I have to consult with Ed Hochuli on this one... My comment still stands at Old Baby's being exceptional, first down. Also, don't forget to take into account that Macho Man's E38 pants include new tooling costs as they are a new item, and probably exclusive to this figure for the most part. If we were to have gotten the vest, they would have been painted entirely. lol at £17.99 I still expect it to include a lot more than "new tooling on the pants". Also, do you know the price breakdown on all this "tooling"? At the end of the day Ive a pricetag I can put my argument against, all you have is this "tooling" is expensive. Well perhaps you can analyse the costs of tooling for us. Im a consumer and so are you...what on earth do we know about tooling. You cant just say well theres no jacket because theres tooling costs involved in the pants. That tooling cost can be small, very little, expensive etc etc. We dont know. Everyone is still entitled to complain about things they buy, that doesnt mean I dont want that product! Its the Macho Man, dig it! Ill always buy his elites because Im a fan but I feel I can raise concerns about price tags etc because its always better for the consumer. You need people like me complaining so theres no room for complacency. These figures are damn expensive and If I feel the product is not justified in that price, Ill complain all I want. £17.99! The fact remains that you knew what you were buying. Mattel made the figure, showed you what it looked like, what it came with, and even what specific event the look was derived from, then after giving you all this information, asked you if you wanted to buy it. With all that information right in front of you, you decided to buy it. Then, you promptly came on the forum and complained about getting ripped off. Thing is, you didn't get ripped off. Ripped off means you were deceived, taken advantage of, stolen from, etc. That didn't happen, yet you say it did. This is what people like myself are taking issue to. No one is saying that you can't have an opinion, that you are not allowed to expect more, expect better, expect cheaper, or plead your case on these things. We are saying that you were NOT ripped off. Your argument that you're a collector who buys all Macho Man figures is irrelevant. Being a collector does not entitle you to everything you want, exactly the way you want it, at just the price you feel is reasonable. It does not. Get over it. Get over yourself.
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Post by Cons on Nov 24, 2015 15:23:48 GMT -5
To each his own, he doesn't like the figure. I personally think macho is the best of the series. My let downs are The Sleeved APA imo. Maybe I'll change my mind when I pick up the sleeveless variants
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Post by Nivro™ on Nov 24, 2015 15:31:47 GMT -5
The figure is accurate though. The pants are just like the attire he wore. The rib tape is just like he wore it. The hat & glasses are just like he wore it. Its a great figure. The problem is the "Mattel Box Designers" have their head up their rears and put the wrong picture on the box. The figure was done exactly like it was suppose to be done. Bill did his job.
Which leads me into the "no wonder Bill doesnt come here" Seriously, get over it. Who really cares. The few times I interacted with Bill he was a nice guy but in reality he didnt give us any more info then we ended up finding on the internet ourselves. We usually got a "yep" or a "not at this time" or the great "Id love to if ever given the rights" answers/comments from him. Bill is doing a fine job leave him & other people alone about it already.
Oh and for the record, complaining about Macho Man being "plain" and then talking about how awesome all the accessories are with the APA is kinda redundant. That's the whole point of a budget. They only have so much money to go into these series. if they would have given Macho Man a pleather detailed coat (which would have been inaccurate btw) as well as having to use budget for new sculpted pants (which everyone has failed to remember) Then we wouldnt have gotten he accessories with the APA. Then people would have been on here bitching about paying $20 for 2 guys in T-shirts & jeans with no accessories.
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Post by mrassbillygunn on Nov 24, 2015 15:33:31 GMT -5
lol at £17.99 I still expect it to include a lot more than "new tooling on the pants". Also, do you know the price breakdown on all this "tooling"? At the end of the day Ive a pricetag I can put my argument against, all you have is this "tooling" is expensive. Well perhaps you can analyse the costs of tooling for us. Im a consumer and so are you...what on earth do we know about tooling. You cant just say well theres no jacket because theres tooling costs involved in the pants. That tooling cost can be small, very little, expensive etc etc. We dont know. Everyone is still entitled to complain about things they buy, that doesnt mean I dont want that product! Its the Macho Man, dig it! Ill always buy his elites because Im a fan but I feel I can raise concerns about price tags etc because its always better for the consumer. You need people like me complaining so theres no room for complacency. These figures are damn expensive and If I feel the product is not justified in that price, Ill complain all I want. £17.99! The fact remains that you knew what you were buying. Mattel made the figure, showed you what it looked like, what it came with, and even what specific event the look was derived from, then after giving you all this information, asked you if you wanted to buy it. With all that information right in front of you, you decided to buy it. Then, you promptly came on the forum and complained about getting ripped off. Thing is, you didn't get ripped off. Ripped off means you were deceived, taken advantage of, stolen from, etc. That didn't happen, yet you say it did. This is what people like myself are taking issue to. No one is saying that you can't have an opinion, that you are not allowed to expect more, expect better, expect cheaper, or plead your case on these things. We are saying that you were NOT ripped off. Your argument that you're a collector who buys all Macho Man figures is irrelevant. Being a collector does not entitle you to everything you want, exactly the way you want it, at just the price you feel is reasonable. It does not. Get over it. Get over yourself. Oh please, dont patronise me, I was ripped off - relatively speaking. Ofcourse I know I wasnt deceived, stolen from etc. I never said I was entitled to everything I want. Your just making things up at this point. If you're going to be rude and tell me to get over myself then Ill have nothing more to do with you. You're talking absolute hogwash and digging for stuff you can knitpick with. No time for that. The general consensus of the argument was basically not getting value for money and you go off into the deep end with all that nonsense.
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Post by BadGirlRyleigh on Nov 24, 2015 15:37:05 GMT -5
Actually, it's very accurate. It's from Bash at the Beach 95, which is printed on the back of the box. The attire is spot on. He didn't wear a shirt on that day. It's missing his jacket, but MDT told us it wouldn't have one when he polled us for the 95 attire. Also, for who mentioned it before, APA did not get all the budget. Macho has new tooling on the tights Did you not see what I put?? I put it in bold in case you missed it. Clearly I said that he maybe did wear those tights, but the fact that the tights on the picture on the box are different from the figure are gonna make people question the accuracy of said figure. Before Mattel came along and started photoshopping different gear onto render photos, and before photo shoots were done regularly, wrestlers very rarely had the gear they were wearing on the box. Sometimes there aren't high quality photos of certain people or attires. Mikey Whipwreck's 2K16 render is in horrible quality. HOF Hogan & Warrior are clear examples of this.
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Post by mrassbillygunn on Nov 24, 2015 15:40:58 GMT -5
The figure is accurate though. The pants are just like the attire he wore. The rib tape is just like he wore it. The hat & glasses are just like he wore it. Its a great figure. The problem is the "Mattel Box Designers" have their head up their rears and put the wrong picture on the box. The figure was done exactly like it was suppose to be done. Bill did his job. Which leads me into the "no wonder Bill doesnt come here" Seriously, get over it. Who really cares. The few times I interacted with Bill he was a nice guy but in reality he didnt give us any more info then we ended up finding on the internet ourselves. We usually got a "yep" or a "not at this time" or the great "Id love to if ever given the rights" answers/comments from him. Bill is doing a fine job leave him & other people alone about it already. Oh and for the record, complaining about Macho Man being "plain" and then talking about how awesome all the accessories are with the APA is kinda redundant. That's the whole point of a budget. They only have so much money to go into these series. if they would have given Macho Man a pleather detailed coat (which would have been inaccurate btw) as well as having to use budget for new sculpted pants (which everyone has failed to remember) Then we wouldnt have gotten he accessories with the APA. Then people would have been on here bitching about paying $20 for 2 guys in T-shirts & jeans with no accessories. Yes I agree, but in regards to the budget, you dont know what that budget is. All we know is the price tag on our figures. Now I get the APA argument, but then reflect the price on Macho Man. For example if it costs more for the APA then price them accordingly. But dont charge the same price for Macho Man which comes with very little.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 15:51:25 GMT -5
Your whole argument of your original post is that it was too expensive, and didn't come with a vest. You saw it didn't come with a vest, and still bought it. We know this because you came on here to tell us that after you bought it, it was expensive, and has no vest. Hold on, I have to consult with Ed Hochuli on this one... My comment still stands at Old Baby's being exceptional, first down. Also, don't forget to take into account that Macho Man's E38 pants include new tooling costs as they are a new item, and probably exclusive to this figure for the most part. If we were to have gotten the vest, they would have been painted entirely. lol at £17.99 I still expect it to include a lot more than "new tooling on the pants". Also, do you know the price breakdown on all this "tooling"? At the end of the day Ive a pricetag I can put my argument against, all you have is this "tooling" is expensive. Well perhaps you can analyse the costs of tooling for us. Im a consumer and so are you...what on earth do we know about tooling. You cant just say well theres no jacket because theres tooling costs involved in the pants. That tooling cost can be small, very little, expensive etc etc. We dont know. Everyone is still entitled to complain about things they buy, that doesnt mean I dont want that product! Its the Macho Man, dig it! Ill always buy his elites because Im a fan but I feel I can raise concerns about price tags etc because its always better for the consumer. You need people like me complaining so theres no room for complacency. These figures are damn expensive and If I feel the product is not justified in that price, Ill complain all I want. £17.99! I like how you kept quoting and repeating for emphasis. What we know on Earth about tooling is based on the head designer from Mattel who would make comments on these very forums, and in Q & A interviews posted. He would always emphasize that tooling costs time and time = money. "You need people like me complaining." - Nope.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 15:51:35 GMT -5
The fact remains that you knew what you were buying. Mattel made the figure, showed you what it looked like, what it came with, and even what specific event the look was derived from, then after giving you all this information, asked you if you wanted to buy it. With all that information right in front of you, you decided to buy it. Then, you promptly came on the forum and complained about getting ripped off. Thing is, you didn't get ripped off. Ripped off means you were deceived, taken advantage of, stolen from, etc. That didn't happen, yet you say it did. This is what people like myself are taking issue to. No one is saying that you can't have an opinion, that you are not allowed to expect more, expect better, expect cheaper, or plead your case on these things. We are saying that you were NOT ripped off. Your argument that you're a collector who buys all Macho Man figures is irrelevant. Being a collector does not entitle you to everything you want, exactly the way you want it, at just the price you feel is reasonable. It does not. Get over it. Get over yourself. Oh please, dont patronise me, I was ripped off - relatively speaking. Ofcourse I know I wasnt deceived, stolen from etc. I never said I was entitled to everything I want. Your just making things up at this point. If you're going to be rude and tell me to get over myself then Ill have nothing more to do with you. You're talking absolute hogwash and digging for stuff you can knitpick with. No time for that. The general consensus of the argument was basically not getting value for money and you go off into the deep end with all that nonsense. Nope. You were either ripped off or you weren't. It's that simple. I'm not inventing anything. You're saying you were ripped off and I'm saying you weren't. I'm happy to read your thoughts about how Mattel should improve the product or how you feel you should be getting a better value, but don't come in here claiming you were ripped off because it won't fly.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 15:53:01 GMT -5
Personally I was disappointed that it didn't come with the smiling scan and even more disappointed there was no shirt considering how much the apa came with.
I would rather see a figure get it's entire outfit than another figure get more accessories that are non attire related
. I'm disappointed in the h.o.f savage for the same reasons. Wish it had a smiling scan and also wish it had a shirt. Can't win them all I guess
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Post by doubled on Nov 24, 2015 16:03:33 GMT -5
A shirt or jacket would have put this figure over the top for me. I still bought him and I still like him. My favorite Macho Man yet.
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Post by Sizzle on Nov 24, 2015 16:08:41 GMT -5
Okay, so the figure is based off his Bash AtnThe Beach '95 attire, the figure is completely accurate..
And if you wanted the jacket/duster coat he wore, then you wouldn't have gotten it regardless what the APA accessories were. The DM Savage has a similar attire in the outfit he wore (not colors, just shape, design, etc.) and that was about what, $25?
This figure is a good deal for the price, and is a great representation of the attire he wore.
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Post by Nivro™ on Nov 24, 2015 16:14:57 GMT -5
The figure is accurate though. The pants are just like the attire he wore. The rib tape is just like he wore it. The hat & glasses are just like he wore it. Its a great figure. The problem is the "Mattel Box Designers" have their head up their rears and put the wrong picture on the box. The figure was done exactly like it was suppose to be done. Bill did his job. Which leads me into the "no wonder Bill doesnt come here" Seriously, get over it. Who really cares. The few times I interacted with Bill he was a nice guy but in reality he didnt give us any more info then we ended up finding on the internet ourselves. We usually got a "yep" or a "not at this time" or the great "Id love to if ever given the rights" answers/comments from him. Bill is doing a fine job leave him & other people alone about it already. Oh and for the record, complaining about Macho Man being "plain" and then talking about how awesome all the accessories are with the APA is kinda redundant. That's the whole point of a budget. They only have so much money to go into these series. if they would have given Macho Man a pleather detailed coat (which would have been inaccurate btw) as well as having to use budget for new sculpted pants (which everyone has failed to remember) Then we wouldnt have gotten he accessories with the APA. Then people would have been on here bitching about paying $20 for 2 guys in T-shirts & jeans with no accessories. Yes I agree, but in regards to the budget, you dont know what that budget is. All we know is the price tag on our figures. Now I get the APA argument, but then reflect the price on Macho Man. For example if it costs more for the APA then price them accordingly. But dont charge the same price for Macho Man which comes with very little. You cant do that though man. That's not how business works. You cant put 6 figures out in a series and price some at $12.99 and some at $19.99. While you're looking at Macho man as say a $12.99 figure...You're not looking at APA for what it is, a $25.99 figure (because of the accessories). So instead of paying $25.99 for APA, you're only paying $19.99....Everything is evened out, the budget is just spread out through the figures. Im sure my math isnt exact but its just an example.
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Post by mrassbillygunn on Nov 24, 2015 16:24:24 GMT -5
Yes I agree, but in regards to the budget, you dont know what that budget is. All we know is the price tag on our figures. Now I get the APA argument, but then reflect the price on Macho Man. For example if it costs more for the APA then price them accordingly. But dont charge the same price for Macho Man which comes with very little. You cant do that though man. That's not how business works. You cant put 6 figures out in a series and price some at $12.99 and some at $19.99. While you're looking at Macho man as say a $12.99 figure...You're not looking at APA for what it is, a $25.99 figure (because of the accessories). So instead of paying $25.99 for APA, you're only paying $19.99....Everything is evened out, the budget is just spread out through the figures. Im sure my math isnt exact but its just an example. Yea fair enough, I appreciate that. I just hope that when more Savage figures are released down the line, they are included with the full kit. His costumes/attires are too good to be chopped and changed with. I still say if you collect his elites, they are all going to look amazing together with their full attires and Mattel should make the most of them.
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Post by The King Of Crisps on Nov 24, 2015 16:38:57 GMT -5
almost everyone in 38 came with a decent amount of stuff besides Macho. (besides Bryan)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 16:40:09 GMT -5
NOT DB
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Post by dixol on Nov 24, 2015 17:16:00 GMT -5
Actually, it's very accurate. It's from Bash at the Beach 95, which is printed on the back of the box. The attire is spot on. He didn't wear a shirt on that day. It's missing his jacket, but MDT told us it wouldn't have one when he polled us for the 95 attire. Also, for who mentioned it before, APA did not get all the budget. Macho has new tooling on the tights No but what we are getting at is its not accurate with the attire on the back of the box. And thats the attire they have referenced so you cant blame us for getting confused. Ofcourse he didnt wear a shirt or jacket in the ring but we still get elites with the attire they wear to the ring! Also whats this 95 attire you mention? I dont recall any poll. A year ago, MDT started a thread that said he was going to make a pre-NWO WCW Macho Man and asked us what attire we wanted. Everyone posted pics. Bill said that one of the pics would work great and that it would not be a re-paint but would have new tooling. Later on, Bill came back and told us that no entrance shirt or jacket would be included because of budget constraints. Actually, it's very accurate. It's from Bash at the Beach 95, which is printed on the back of the box. The attire is spot on. He didn't wear a shirt on that day. It's missing his jacket, but MDT told us it wouldn't have one when he polled us for the 95 attire. Also, for who mentioned it before, APA did not get all the budget. Macho has new tooling on the tights Did you not see what I put?? I put it in bold in case you missed it. Clearly I said that he maybe did wear those tights, but the fact that the tights on the picture on the box are different from the figure are gonna make people question the accuracy of said figure. The back of the box also clearly states that the figure's attire is from Bash 95. The pics on the box are NOT from Bash 95. As others have stated, that is not the fault of MDT but of the box designers. All anybody has to do is look up Bash 95 and see that the attire is entirely accurate. BTW, this figure is not the 1st where the attire doesn't match the box picture, and it won't be the last.
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Post by legendsguy on Nov 24, 2015 17:32:22 GMT -5
Personally I was disappointed that it didn't come with the smiling scan and even more disappointed there was no shirt considering how much the apa came with. I would rather see a figure get it's entire outfit than another figure get more accessories that are non attire related . I'm disappointed in the h.o.f savage for the same reasons. Wish it had a smiling scan and also wish it had a shirt. Can't win them all I guess well said my friend. =}
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 17:37:01 GMT -5
Yes I agree, but in regards to the budget, you dont know what that budget is. All we know is the price tag on our figures. Now I get the APA argument, but then reflect the price on Macho Man. For example if it costs more for the APA then price them accordingly. But dont charge the same price for Macho Man which comes with very little. You cant do that though man. That's not how business works. You cant put 6 figures out in a series and price some at $12.99 and some at $19.99. While you're looking at Macho man as say a $12.99 figure...You're not looking at APA for what it is, a $25.99 figure (because of the accessories). So instead of paying $25.99 for APA, you're only paying $19.99....Everything is evened out, the budget is just spread out through the figures. Im sure my math isnt exact but its just an example. Having such drastic differences in budget between figures makes little sense from a consumer standpoint. Every figure should be able to stand alone on it's own merits. However, if you really have issue with a certain figure, the best you can do is to not buy it.
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Post by AlexWestCollects on Nov 24, 2015 18:01:14 GMT -5
I like it. Mattel did a great job. Could it have used a shirt? Yea maybe but what u gonna do.
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