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Post by torriefan4life on Aug 31, 2015 9:45:02 GMT -5
Why shouldn't they lampoon WWE for tossing Hogan away without getting his side of the story out first? Because Hogan wasn't an active competitor drawing in tons of money. I find it extremely hypocritical of GMA given their Trump situation. It just another chance for them to ride the WWE hate train. NFL did the same thing when the Ray Rice video was released. WWE hasn't erased him, they have removed his bio and merch from their website. NBC fired Trump not ABC.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 9:56:41 GMT -5
Why shouldn't they lampoon WWE for tossing Hogan away without getting his side of the story out first? Do we know WWE didn't talk to Hogan first? Has that been stated somewhere? It doesn't matter if it was done in private. They should have gotten a public statement out from Hogan like he said in the video instantly.
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Post by Wato Stan Account on Aug 31, 2015 10:05:38 GMT -5
I sat and watched the bit they showed with Hulk Hogan on GMA. I can tell he was speaking as Terry Bollea, not Hulk Hogan. He brought up growing up in Florida where people used the N word like it is no tomorrow. You really have to delve into what his childhood was like growing up on Florida in the 1950's and 60's. A lot of who we are stems from our personal experiences as children. That stuff lingers well into adulthood. Terry Boliea is no exception. Sure she said this and that, it doesn't change the fact we are human and we **** up every so often. Amy Robach (the one who conducted the interview) mentioned that the WWE set Mr. Boliea free after his firing. Brooke Boliea (the center of this whole controversy) decided not to hate what her father said. Instead, she turned a negative into a positive. Mr. Boliea is taking this who situation as a learning experience and is at peace with himself. He is fully aware of the ramifications and is doing his best to repair his image. With that said, this controversy is going to bite Gawker in the ass when the case goes to trial in March of 2016. Should Gawker lose the case, they did it to themselves. Organizations like Gawker and the National Enquirer violate the Unite States' First Amendment to free speech by going too far. Blaming your area just shows you have a complete inability to grow up and accept full responsibility. I have aunts and uncles who have Hogan by 10 years or older, will admit to growing up and saying the 'N' word. Do they say it now even when beyond drunk? No. Because they grew up and changed who they are as people. All Hulk did was give an excuse and prove he's still an idiot from Tampa.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 10:08:03 GMT -5
It's just not the N word it's the fact that he said the only successful black men are basketball players is what really bothered me and for that I have no respect for him.
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Post by marino13 on Aug 31, 2015 10:07:38 GMT -5
Do we know WWE didn't talk to Hogan first? Has that been stated somewhere? It doesn't matter if it was done in private. They should have gotten a public statement out from Hogan like he said in the video instantly. Maybe Hogan's lawyers asked him to lay low for awhile till they investigated? And for all we know maybe WWE talked to Hogan and told him what they were going to do. Maybe they told him to lay low and that he'll be brought back eventually? We don't know, so why act like we do?
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Aug 31, 2015 10:08:15 GMT -5
Pretty much exactly what I thought, he was pissed at Brooke and took it out on her guy. He still needs to talk to Mark Henry and Booker T and guys like that before he makes it right with the WWE, but it was clear to me what happened from the start. None of this can be unsaid or unheard, but if nothing else this was a step in the right direction. I'm not Vince McMahon obviously, so I don't know what he took away from this, and we know triple H and Steph won't do anything to go to bat for Hogan, so hopefully seeing that this whole thing blew over rather quickly, that Hogan still has a lot of support, and whatever was taken from this interview opens up the lines of communication again. He's not going to be back until after the trial, but there's no need to hold off of discussing the future. We do? Yes we do
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Post by marino13 on Aug 31, 2015 10:13:55 GMT -5
Huh, I did not get the memo. Well I guess I have to fire my secretary now. On her birthday too!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 10:16:12 GMT -5
It doesn't matter if it was done in private. They should have gotten a public statement out from Hogan like he said in the video instantly. Maybe Hogan's lawyers asked him to lay low for awhile till they investigated? And for all we know maybe WWE talked to Hogan and told him what they were going to do. Maybe they told him to lay low and that he'll be brought back eventually? We don't know, so why act like we do? If that was the case then Hogan wouldn't be talking about WWE removing his lifetime of work.
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Post by marino13 on Aug 31, 2015 10:20:42 GMT -5
Maybe Hogan's lawyers asked him to lay low for awhile till they investigated? And for all we know maybe WWE talked to Hogan and told him what they were going to do. Maybe they told him to lay low and that he'll be brought back eventually? We don't know, so why act like we do? If that was the case then Hogan wouldn't be talking about WWE removing his lifetime of work. Who says? Maybe Hogan doesn't agree with what they've done. But that doesn't mean he wasn't notified beforehand.
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Aug 31, 2015 10:30:56 GMT -5
I sat and watched the bit they showed with Hulk Hogan on GMA. I can tell he was speaking as Terry Bollea, not Hulk Hogan. He brought up growing up in Florida where people used the N word like it is no tomorrow. You really have to delve into what his childhood was like growing up on Florida in the 1950's and 60's. A lot of who we are stems from our personal experiences as children. That stuff lingers well into adulthood. Terry Boliea is no exception. Sure she said this and that, it doesn't change the fact we are human and we **** up every so often. Amy Robach (the one who conducted the interview) mentioned that the WWE set Mr. Boliea free after his firing. Brooke Boliea (the center of this whole controversy) decided not to hate what her father said. Instead, she turned a negative into a positive. Mr. Boliea is taking this who situation as a learning experience and is at peace with himself. He is fully aware of the ramifications and is doing his best to repair his image. With that said, this controversy is going to bite Gawker in the ass when the case goes to trial in March of 2016. Should Gawker lose the case, they did it to themselves. Organizations like Gawker and the National Enquirer violate the Unite States' First Amendment to free speech by going too far. Blaming your area just shows you have a complete inability to grow up and accept full responsibility. I have aunts and uncles who have Hogan by 10 years or older, will admit to growing up and saying the 'N' word. Do they say it now even when beyond drunk? No. Because they grew up and changed who they are as people. All Hulk did was give an excuse and prove he's still an idiot from Tampa. Terry Boliea realized he messed up big time. Hell, Jake 'The Snake' Roberts came out to defend Terry. Roberts iterated that he has used the N word in his past. Is he proud of it? Not at all. He realized his mistake(s) and has done his best not to use that word. As for Mr. Boliea, it is sad how this scandal broke out. Organizations like Gawker and the National Enquirer thrive on gossip that would harm/destroy the lives of celebrities. Mr. Boliea has accepted full responsibility of his actions. He is doing damage control to repair his image. We aren't perfect beings. Mr. Boliea is one of many people who have messed up in the past. At this juncture, I can see the ruling in Gawker vs. Terry Boliea to favor the latter rather than the former. If Terry Boliea didn't come on to the wrestling scene, we wouldn't be having wrestling discussions today.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 10:34:16 GMT -5
If that was the case then Hogan wouldn't be talking about WWE removing his lifetime of work. Who says? Maybe Hogan doesn't agree with what they've done. But that doesn't mean he wasn't notified beforehand. Look man, it's fair enough if you think WWE are justified in what they did. I don't, I think they should have stuck up for Hogan and got his side of the story out. They didn't. At this point we're literally debating a difference of opinion which, in a subject like this really just going to go around in circles. Opinions and all that.
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Aug 31, 2015 10:42:44 GMT -5
The final thing I'll say in this thread is we will see Hulk Hogan back on WWE TV. Vince McMahon isn't stupid to realize that Hogan brings in money and sells merch.
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Post by marino13 on Aug 31, 2015 10:47:29 GMT -5
Who says? Maybe Hogan doesn't agree with what they've done. But that doesn't mean he wasn't notified beforehand. Look man, it's fair enough if you think WWE are justified in what they did. I don't, I think they should have stuck up for Hogan and got his side of the story out. They didn't. At this point we're literally debating a difference of opinion which, in a subject like this really just going to go around in sircles. Opinions and all that. I absolutely think the punishment was too severe. I've said so many times. All I'm saying to you is, unless something has been said to the contrary, there is no point in acting like we know WWE didn't inform Hogan beforehand. For all we know, Vince & Hulk had a 35 minute conversation talking it out. Maybe not? Maybe Vince was 100% open and honest? Maybe he wasn't? Problem is, far too many people here go out of their way to vilify WWE without any facts to back it up.
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Post by Nivro™ on Aug 31, 2015 10:58:43 GMT -5
I sat and watched the bit they showed with Hulk Hogan on GMA. I can tell he was speaking as Terry Bollea, not Hulk Hogan. He brought up growing up in Florida where people used the N word like it is no tomorrow. You really have to delve into what his childhood was like growing up on Florida in the 1950's and 60's. A lot of who we are stems from our personal experiences as children. That stuff lingers well into adulthood. Terry Boliea is no exception. Sure she said this and that, it doesn't change the fact we are human and we **** up every so often. Amy Robach (the one who conducted the interview) mentioned that the WWE set Mr. Boliea free after his firing. Brooke Boliea (the center of this whole controversy) decided not to hate what her father said. Instead, she turned a negative into a positive. Mr. Boliea is taking this who situation as a learning experience and is at peace with himself. He is fully aware of the ramifications and is doing his best to repair his image. With that said, this controversy is going to bite Gawker in the ass when the case goes to trial in March of 2016. Should Gawker lose the case, they did it to themselves. Organizations like Gawker and the National Enquirer violate the Unite States' First Amendment to free speech by going too far. Blaming your area just shows you have a complete inability to grow up and accept full responsibility. I have aunts and uncles who have Hogan by 10 years or older, will admit to growing up and saying the 'N' word. Do they say it now even when beyond drunk? No. Because they grew up and changed who they are as people. All Hulk did was give an excuse and prove he's still an idiot from Tampa. But African Americans say the N word all the time and blame it on growing up in the streets, having it hard yadda yadda yadda and nobody says anything about that. My thought remains unchanged, no matter your race, if you use the term you're just showing your ignorance.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 11:09:41 GMT -5
Because Hogan wasn't an active competitor drawing in tons of money. I find it extremely hypocritical of GMA given their Trump situation. It just another chance for them to ride the WWE hate train. NFL did the same thing when the Ray Rice video was released. WWE hasn't erased him, they have removed his bio and merch from their website. NBC fired Trump not ABC.
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Post by greenjack1992 on Aug 31, 2015 11:09:55 GMT -5
The guy is so full of crap, I can't imagine anything he says making anything better.
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Aug 31, 2015 11:11:45 GMT -5
Because Hogan wasn't an active competitor drawing in tons of money. I find it extremely hypocritical of GMA given their Trump situation. It just another chance for them to ride the WWE hate train. NFL did the same thing when the Ray Rice video was released. WWE hasn't erased him, they have removed his bio and merch from their website. NBC fired Trump not ABC. My mistake, but again, had WWE not done anything it would have been a PR nightmare. It has barely been a month and people are acting as if he is being treated the same as Warrior or even Benoit when all they have done is terminate his contract, pull his merchandise, and remove his profile/bio from their website. WWE has handle this the way they should have up to this point.
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on Aug 31, 2015 11:35:00 GMT -5
Glad to see Hogan is taking the "just lay low" suggestions of his peers and pundits to heart. I dont think they meant forever, its been a good while now since it all came out, its given time to let peoples anger die down now people just want to know why.
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Aug 31, 2015 11:44:04 GMT -5
The WWE has a history of doing some outlandish things (The Enis Penis fiasco from Raw over that venue, banning all superstars from Piper's podcast because of Austin) up to and including this disproportionate retribution on Hogan. As a result, there are many people who wouldn't put anything past them, let alone letting Hogan potentially find out his punishment as the rest of us did. In that sense, WWE brought a lot of the criticism over this upon themselves.That said, much like Hogan himself I feel that WWE is a good company run by genuinely good, although flawed and often misguided people. I don't believe for a second that they didn't tell Hogan beforehand what to expect.
With all of that in mind I do think they need to do right by Hogan. The punishment was so far beyond what he should've received to the point of being embarrassing. I mean, you would think Hogan was interviewed by CNN in front of a burning church with the Klan in tow in July of 2015. In that case, yes, erasing him would be appropriate. I think this mostly had to do with the Del Rio thing, which almost got really ugly fast.
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Post by J12 on Aug 31, 2015 12:39:46 GMT -5
Hogan did exactly what I thought he would do - blame his environment, blame his age, and blame his upbringing. This is exactly why he should have just kept his mouth shut and stayed out of the spotlight for a very long time. His behavior on social media and in this interview do nothing to suggest he's truly remorseful or fully understands why this got him in as much trouble as it did.
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