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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2015 23:11:19 GMT -5
big throw away ppv, Jericho was there just to take the loss..Could have used someone better imo.. I see nothing wrong with That.Jericho shows up to put over the young talent thats exactly what he probably wanted to do.
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Post by jacguitarist on Sept 20, 2015 23:16:19 GMT -5
Great match, weird finish. Sting can definitely still entertain, and I hope he's still got a bunch more matches left in him. It's just great to see him involved and I hope it's not ending anytime soon. Not sure where Kane stands in all of this...is he going to feud with Seth or will Sting and Seth continue? I'm probably alone on this one, but I'd like to see Kane vs. Sting at some point.
And I don't care what the haters say, I still want to see Sting vs Undertaker at Mania...but Sting better have some damn wins to his name by that point.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Sept 20, 2015 23:24:55 GMT -5
I re-watched the match. The 2nd corner powerbomb is what got Sting. After Rollins powerbombed Sting into the corner, Rollins sort of stood their awkwardly because I think the spot was Sting was supposed to bounce off the turnbuckles and clothesline Rollins. The Sting just sort of went down holding the ropes, and then when Rollins Irish whipped him, he went down again.
The injury appears to have been legit...but I still don't think it changes the finish of the match.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Sept 20, 2015 23:39:28 GMT -5
Sting did an interview with Rollingstone this week and they asked him if he thought he should be winning or losing in WWE, especially to young studs like Rollins and Sting said "my time is over....it's not about Sting anymore". Sting is just in WWE to have fun, try and entertain the fans, make money, and give back to the business. A clean win over Sting does WONDERS for Seth Rollins career. That's a win they can never take away from him. Would I have loved for Sting to win the Title? ABSOLUTELY! But do I understand why he didn't? Yes. And I don't think WHATEVER happend with Sting maybe getting injured had ANYTHING to do with the finish. They do NOT change finishes on the fly. They either stop them IMMEDIATELY like when they stopped the Daniel Bryan match on RAW, or they have the person who was supposed to win go to the finish IMMEDIATELY. When Steve Austin broke his neck they weren't like "Austin can't move, just have Owen cover him". No. They had Austin still win with the weakest most awkward roll up ever. I firmly believe that Sting was never supposed to win. I'm just confused as to what happened at the end with the doctor. Maybe it's an angle that will explain why he lost. Maybe Sting comes out tomorrow and says, despite his best efforts, at his age his body is catching up with him and he's not able to do what he used to be able to do. Maybe his body is telling him it's time....he can say he would have loved to have been the WWE Champion, but he's done pretty much everything else, and wrestled every Legend and Icon that the business has to offer..... As he attempts to retire.....Undertaker can come out and stare him down and say "you haven't wrestled everyone just yet". And this can set up Undertaker vs. Sting at WM32 if Brock doesn't kill Taker at HIAC. I mean, RAW is in Texas.....it's possible. While I dont think Sting's injury changed the finish of the match. I can assure you.....they DO change finishes on the fly fairly consistently. In fact, sometimes guys are going out there WITHOUT knowing the finish and the ref will communicate it to them.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Sept 20, 2015 23:51:05 GMT -5
Sting did an interview with Rollingstone this week and they asked him if he thought he should be winning or losing in WWE, especially to young studs like Rollins and Sting said "my time is over....it's not about Sting anymore". Sting is just in WWE to have fun, try and entertain the fans, make money, and give back to the business. A clean win over Sting does WONDERS for Seth Rollins career. That's a win they can never take away from him. Would I have loved for Sting to win the Title? ABSOLUTELY! But do I understand why he didn't? Yes. And I don't think WHATEVER happend with Sting maybe getting injured had ANYTHING to do with the finish. They do NOT change finishes on the fly. They either stop them IMMEDIATELY like when they stopped the Daniel Bryan match on RAW, or they have the person who was supposed to win go to the finish IMMEDIATELY. When Steve Austin broke his neck they weren't like "Austin can't move, just have Owen cover him". No. They had Austin still win with the weakest most awkward roll up ever. I firmly believe that Sting was never supposed to win. I'm just confused as to what happened at the end with the doctor. Maybe it's an angle that will explain why he lost. Maybe Sting comes out tomorrow and says, despite his best efforts, at his age his body is catching up with him and he's not able to do what he used to be able to do. Maybe his body is telling him it's time....he can say he would have loved to have been the WWE Champion, but he's done pretty much everything else, and wrestled every Legend and Icon that the business has to offer..... As he attempts to retire.....Undertaker can come out and stare him down and say "you haven't wrestled everyone just yet". And this can set up Undertaker vs. Sting at WM32 if Brock doesn't kill Taker at HIAC. I mean, RAW is in Texas.....it's possible. While I dont think Sting's injury changed the finish of the match. I can assure you.....they DO change finishes on the fly fairly consistently. In fact, sometimes guys are going out there WITHOUT knowing the finish and the ref will communicate it to them. I find that very hard to believe. Every match and segment has a different agent and producer. These things are planned, choreographed, and rehearsed and it's ALWAYS Been that way. Ricky Steamboat says to this day he can't watch or enjoy the WM3 match against Macho Man because Savage forced him to rehearse it so many times and he was so miserable. Sending a WWE Superstar out there without knowing the finish would be like having an actor film a scene without having allowed them to read the script. I know they allow veteran wrestlers call their spots in the ring if they CHOOSE, rather than plan it all out, but I don't believe that guys go out there not knowing the finish. That would just be stupid. And a lot of the finishes are very confusing and require precision....how is the ref supposed to explain that without making it look like he's feeding you information.
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Post by 859approved on Sept 21, 2015 0:04:10 GMT -5
Just dropping in to once again remind everyone, Sting losing matches in WWE against Triple H and the WWE World Heavyweight Champion does NOT ruin his legacy.
If you would legitimately would rather see Sting defending the TNA World Championship against Magnus on Destination America every week, then you have no idea what legacy is about.
Sting competing in TNA for 10 years hurt his legacy more than losing two matches in the WWE ever did.
He is a special attraction. Not a full time roster member. Not a full time competitor. He is here to knock WWE off his professional bucket list. He's getting paid and he's having fun.
If you really believe he's going to lose every big match in the WWE you're insane. If you really think WWE is ruining him you're insane.
WWE can't ruin legacies. We will always see Sting for what he was in WCW. This isn't 1988, or 1997, or even 2006.
This is 2015. This is nearly 60 year old Sting at the very tail end of his career competing on the biggest stage in Sports-Entertainment for the only World Championship he never held.
Shut up and enjoy it.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Sept 21, 2015 0:21:31 GMT -5
While I dont think Sting's injury changed the finish of the match. I can assure you.....they DO change finishes on the fly fairly consistently. In fact, sometimes guys are going out there WITHOUT knowing the finish and the ref will communicate it to them. I find that very hard to believe. Every match and segment has a different agent and producer. These things are planned, choreographed, and rehearsed and it's ALWAYS Been that way. Ricky Steamboat says to this day he can't watch or enjoy the WM3 match against Macho Man because Savage forced him to rehearse it so many times and he was so miserable. Sending a WWE Superstar out there without knowing the finish would be like having an actor film a scene without having allowed them to read the script. I know they allow veteran wrestlers call their spots in the ring if they CHOOSE, rather than plan it all out, but I don't believe that guys go out there not knowing the finish. That would just be stupid. And a lot of the finishes are very confusing and require precision....how is the ref supposed to explain that without making it look like he's feeding you information. They sometimes go out with optional finishes. The ref will communicate to them which finish has been chosen. I'm not saying its super easy to do....but it aint impossible, if you are a professional. These matches are cherographed, but this aint like a movie. There isnt exact markings, times, etc. There is some wiggle room. For example, Edge's first IC title win. He was not supposed to win the title that night. He was simply subbing. It was communicated to the ref that Edge was to go over and win the title right before it happened. Edge talks about it in his book and has been interviewed concerning it. Austin Aries first TNA World Title win was not originally planned. It was a last second change for him to go over Roode and take the belt.
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Post by The Dave on Sept 21, 2015 0:33:21 GMT -5
I love Woods playing that FF7 victory theme. I was wondering if anyone else picked up on that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 1:33:02 GMT -5
Not a bad show. Enjoyed the hell out of Rollins/Sting.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 1:59:23 GMT -5
- Couldn't be happier for Charlotte. That was a beautiful moment and you could see that Ric was over the moon for her.
- Seeing Jericho back was awesome since he's one of my all time favourites.
- Owens winning the IC Title is awesome. As much as I love Ryback, it's good to see a guy I've followed for so long finally get big.
- Glad Seth Rollins is still champ. Didn't want Sheamus to cash in and the return of Demon Kane was fire. (heh)
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Post by cmiller79 on Sept 21, 2015 2:18:39 GMT -5
Sting put on a hell of a match for someone his age
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Post by A-Rob on Sept 21, 2015 2:50:16 GMT -5
NOC was an ok show, a WORKER is the Intercontinental Champ again and his name is Kevin Owens, couldn't get a half decent match out of Ryback but Owens's is still great. Charlotte sold great in her match, Sting looked good in the ring until the end where he kinda blew up. Finally Seth got a clean pin!
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Post by attitudesback on Sept 21, 2015 4:09:50 GMT -5
Owens really made Ryback look awful in this match and feud. I'm glad he's champion. Rest of the PPV was so unmemorable the only thing I took away was "Thank God Taker/Brock finishes next month and not next year."
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Post by Cameron Stone on Sept 21, 2015 4:55:48 GMT -5
Cena with the clean win over a fresh Rollins was more damaging to him than a win over Sting was benefitial. Rollins beating Cena clean and then Kane attacking him to get the DQ win would have been ideal I think. Rollins wins both matches and finally beats Cena clean, Sting never legitimately lost, snd Kane stands tall like he ended up doing.
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Post by The-Rated-Welsh-Superstar on Sept 21, 2015 6:19:44 GMT -5
I have to say Owens and Charlotte winning was the best part.
ziggler vs rusev was pointless and needs to end now!!!
Cena the US champ again was pointless again and didn't need to happen.
Kane coming back is a yawn bore!! Come on he's going to be the powerful demon untill hell in the cell then after that he'll be jobbing again!
As for Jericho it was cool. Thats about it! Yes ok sting looked bad but that's him going against a guy like Rollins who's in his prime. But if your going to keep using sting as a jobber what's the point??? For one I'm not looking forward to him vs taker now!,cause then it be 3 and 0 at ppvs well done wwe you don't hold grudges. Alla nikki Bella becoming the longest divas champion! Then losing 6 days later! Thats not anything else but going hahaha to aj lee. Anyway I thought the ppv was a 4/10
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Post by Quazimoto on Sept 21, 2015 7:07:15 GMT -5
Guys and Gals: Regardless of how you feel about the whole Sting/Rollins/Cena/Kane stuff, can we please take a moment to appreciate this fact...
Prince Devitt, Kevin Steen, and Tyler Black are all champions in WWE. Who here can honestly say we'd ever see that day? Pretty awesome if you ask me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 7:13:25 GMT -5
Disappointing but expected to see Seth retain, although going over Sting did him absolutely no favours as he just got pinned clean by Cena. So another case of WWE's booking team having absolutely no idea what they're doing.
But yay, we get Seth vs. Kane now. So that won't be completely awful.
Lardbutt being the IC champ is also disappointing.
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Post by Glorydaysofwrestling on Sept 21, 2015 7:21:34 GMT -5
Thought it was a great night of wrestling! Anyone who bashes Sting after that match is crazy! That guy should of got a standing ovation after that match! Being able to hang with the best wrestler in the world is an accomplishment in itself. That was a great match. Unfortunately I think he took too many bumps.i cringed when Seth was hitting him with the high impact moves.
again great matches top to bottom
-Big E is lucky he didn't seriously injure Bubba Ray Dudley with that splash! That looked nasty.
- Great to see Chris Jericho back!
-Seth Rollins is without a doubt the best wrestler in the world. Complete package.
Disappointed that Owens beat Ryback. But was still a good match. If Ryback was given a huge push his popularity would be off the charts.
-Happy to see Kane back as well. They have done a nice job building the Kane/ Rollins feud this year.
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Post by havoc7179 on Sept 21, 2015 8:29:48 GMT -5
For those of you saying WWE are messing with Sting's legacy, let's look at the facts. His first match is a highly hyper Wrestlemania match, his second PPV is for the title. He took sick bumps and put over a top talent. Look. I went nuts when Sting lost against Triple H. But, I calmed down and realized that Ive gotten to watch him wrestle a few more times in front of a huge audience in storylines that are worth something In tna he was doing random stuff and putting over younger talent. How is this any worse? It's still a treat. I loved it. The only problem is that he may never win another WWE match. He lost to Triple H, he lost to Seth.....he got a win on RAW, two if you count the DQ against Big Show.....but if Sting's next and possibly LAST WWE Match is WM32 against Undertaker, Sting is NOT winning that match either. Which means he ends his WWE in-ring career at either 1-3 or 2-3, again, not sure if the DQ on RAW against Show counted. And now Sting SURLEY will never win the WWE Title. We never thought he would get A show, he's not getting TWO. I just wish they'd make him look a little stronger with winning matches. WWE always treats his APPEARANCES like historic moments and they talk up how big of an Icon and legend he is....and then he loses. It just makes him look like his character is a guy who talks the talk and then can't get the job done. But wins/losses aside,....Sting was awesome in that match tonight. Best match of the night, better than the Rollins/Cena match. Stronger? Wrestlemania: Took a Pedigree, Sweet Chin Music, Outside Distractions and a Sledgehammer to beat Sting, and Sting was just looking dazed at the end no selling it. NOC: Put through a table, Two Corner PowerBombs, Pedigree No one cries foul when Flair never got a chance to hold the title in his final run. I'm probably just as big as Sting fan as you, having followed this guy from the 1980s. I mean no disrespect to you, and definitely agree with you in that I was thinking this was going to be a MITB cash in type of victory for Sting where he pins an unconscious Rollins. But, let's think about it about from a storyline perspective. Cena AAs Rollins on the floor. Sting comes out; locks in the Scorpion to end the match. Rollins taps, and Sting wins the championship. Sheamus tries to cash in but Sting escapes. Kane comes out and choke-slams Rollins. Who looks weaker? Sting. Sting would win on a technicality, and, when it comes time to defend it, he would lose. So it was a title win with no substance. I'd rather he go down swinging, then win with assistance only to go on to lose it in his first defense. He did not look weak in this match. It's not exactly a secret to the WWE Universe and wrestling fans that Sting is as old if not older than 99% of the WWE roster. The fact that a man in his mid-50s pushed himself to the limit in a match where he needed to essentially pass out in order to lose shows the heart and determination of this guy. Heck, he even locked Rollins in the Scorpion Deathlock after passing out.
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Post by havoc7179 on Sept 21, 2015 8:33:35 GMT -5
Disappointing but expected to see Seth retain, although going over Sting did him absolutely no favours as he just got pinned clean by Cena. So another case of WWE's booking team having absolutely no idea what they're doing. But yay, we get Seth vs. Kane now. So that won't be completely awful. Lardbutt being the IC champ is also disappointing. From a storyline perspective, it puts Cena away from ending Flair's record as Cena has to defend the title. I foresee a unification match eventualy between Cena and Owens, with Owens going over if he maintains momentum.
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