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Post by Chip on Jul 28, 2015 11:29:43 GMT -5
funny though a LOT of the comparisons here are for guys who were the World Heavyweight and not the actual WWE Chanpion.
The WHC was always treated like 2nd place anyway, so guys winning it really it was just a point to have another "main event". Rollins has been booked so 50/50 since winning it's hard to even care.
So the point of his character is that he cant win a match without cheating or getting help? It's terrible. A perfect heel has balance....yes he needs to cheat or get help but he also IS good enough that when it's completely necessary he will kick the crap out of you to keep his title at ALL costs. Instead Rollins is a guy who has been champion and i'm pretty sure he's LOST more non-title matches than he's won actual title matches.
But this is the WWE. This is a kids show, and kids want to see the bad guy get beat. Long term/strong booking really doesn't matter anymore. It's a week-to-week thing and sometimes we try to connect pieces so that a match makes sense, but mostly we can cover everything in a video package for the "dumb fans"
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Post by punksnotdead on Jul 28, 2015 11:35:39 GMT -5
I think WWE books certain champions like that to prevent them from becoming the cool heel. They know the fans want to cheer Rollins, so they make him out to be the slimy-win-at-all-costs champion. That way he continues to get boo'ed. He's booked much like Triple H & Flair have been almost their entire careers. It's an old school approach. Which is awesome, except for he didn't win. He looked inferior to the US Champion in every way. He didn't get a run-in, the Horsemen didn't attack Cena for the DQ, Rollins didn't give Cena a low blow to end the match prematurely, Cena just won. Cena just tapped out the "top guy" in the company in about 3 seconds, all while sporting a midcard title. Last night wasn't about getting Rollins boos. It was about getting Cena more cheers, which ultimately makes the older demographic want to stab him. It's common sense. Something WWE has been extremely short on for awhile now.
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Post by TurboEddie on Jul 28, 2015 11:46:44 GMT -5
Seth Rollins wouldn't be believable as a strong champion.
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Post by CrazyCanuck on Jul 28, 2015 11:57:48 GMT -5
He has been booked like crap. I don't like chicken heel world champions because they constantly look bad and then when their title run is over, they aren't believable. We all should have known that all of this heat Rollins was getting as a heel would eventually lead to Cena beating him for the title and "putting him over."
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Post by JDP on Jul 28, 2015 12:03:01 GMT -5
I absolutely love Rollins to death, I don't think he's really been having the worst but definitely it isn't as incredible as it should be. If booked right it'd be so awesome.
Not as bad as Miz, Mysterio for a day, Punks first whc, and Del Rio with either of the belts.
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Post by Kyle on Jul 28, 2015 12:35:47 GMT -5
Kinda wish he would split from the authority and win a few big matches cleanly.
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Jul 28, 2015 13:15:26 GMT -5
The Miz. Even though he absolutely deserved to be the champion, he was booked to look like a joke against Jerry ing Lawler of all people.
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Jul 28, 2015 13:21:35 GMT -5
funny though a LOT of the comparisons here are for guys who were the World Heavyweight and not the actual WWE Chanpion. The WHC was always treated like 2nd place anyway, so guys winning it really it was just a point to have another "main event". Rollins has been booked so 50/50 since winning it's hard to even care.So the point of his character is that he cant win a match without cheating or getting help? It's terrible. A perfect heel has balance....yes he needs to cheat or get help but he also IS good enough that when it's completely necessary he will kick the crap out of you to keep his title at ALL costs. Instead Rollins is a guy who has been champion and i'm pretty sure he's LOST more non-title matches than he's won actual title matches. But this is the WWE. This is a kids show, and kids want to see the bad guy get beat. Long term/strong booking really doesn't matter anymore. It's a week-to-week thing and sometimes we try to connect pieces so that a match makes sense, but mostly we can cover everything in a video package for the "dumb fans" Literally everyone on the roster is booked 50/50 except Cena and Lesnar... That's not just a problem with Rollins. The parallels between HHH's Evolution WHC reign and Rollins' title reign are huge. The difference is HHH's back-up was made to look legit, too. Seth's is constantly made to look bad, even by him.
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Post by havoc7179 on Jul 28, 2015 13:22:41 GMT -5
I don't know if he looks weak.... I get that he has had help to win his matches for the past five or six months that he's been defending the WWE World Title, but that's kind of the point of a heel. To cheat and win by cheating. I think he will go over Cena at SummerSlam and maybe (with luck) we get a triple threat match at Night of Champions in September with Rollins vs. Cena vs. Lesnar, and the belt will change hands then. Seth's nickname is the Architect, not the Beast; not the Conqueror; not the Destroyer. His gimmick is thinking of new ways to be on top. He's doing it so far. Not every heel needs to be booked dominantly. He's just showing he's smart by aligning with the proper people. He has direction whereas Miz and Mysterio did not. For me, every match I've seen Rollins in since becoming part of the Authority, I've wondered how is he going to come out on top. He has each and every time. He may not be the most dominant champion, but he's probably the smartest we've sen in a while. Or the luckiest. Whichever.
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Post by havoc7179 on Jul 28, 2015 13:24:49 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan's run after WMXXX was horrible with Brie's "acting" if you wanna call it that and fueding with Kane of all people. Sometimes I feel like WWE is trolling me personally, every time someone I like gets the big belt, they're given lackluster run. Yet they know exactly how to book Cena as World Champion? This is Cena's booking as of the last few years: Heel: The fans hate you John. You do all this for nothing. you're not a real wrestler. Cena: The Champ is Here! That's not booking. That's trolling lol. Seriously, look at Bray, Kevin Owens, and Rollins. They all said the same thing in different ways to John, and the fans eat it up because they are hoping that someone finally knocks some sense into Cena, and Cena's fans like it because it proves that the opponent is all talk.
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Post by LD8506 on Jul 28, 2015 13:25:05 GMT -5
Rey Miz Swagger
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Post by Yambag Jones on Jul 28, 2015 13:25:37 GMT -5
It just sucks that since WM31 he hasn't had a strong win. I really think SummerSlam is going to be make or break for him. If he's going to hold onto the title, he needs some wins without outside interference.
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Post by PJ on Jul 28, 2015 13:29:39 GMT -5
I think he is playing the role perfectly. We all know he has talent, but he is playing the weasel type champion who should lose every match, but always finds some underhanded or cowardly way to retain the title. He is doing it perfectly.
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Post by jacktunney on Jul 28, 2015 13:31:49 GMT -5
I think he's been booked well and played the role perfectly. Old school slimy heel that keeps hair getting by with the title by hook or crook
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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on Jul 28, 2015 13:35:55 GMT -5
The Miz was worse than Rollins as champion, which is sad cause I marked out when he won the belt. Then a few months later, I was wanting him to drop the belt, to anyone, even Cena. Rollins is at that level with me where I just want that title off of him. To me, he looks like a guy who needs some type of interference to win. Other than the ladder match at Money in the Bank, I can't remember any other title match that hasn't had at least one person interfering. I wouldn't have minded if he cheated using the belt, using the ropes, typical heel stuff. When the majority of his title defenses ended under interference from people, that's when I'm like, "OK, I'm sick of seeing this, give me ANYONE else as champion".
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Post by Triple S: POOR on Jul 28, 2015 13:38:37 GMT -5
The Miz was worse than Rollins as champion, which is sad cause I marked out when he won the belt. Then a few months later, I was wanting him to drop the belt, to anyone, even Cena. Rollins is at that level with me where I just want that title off of him. To me, he looks like a guy who needs some type of interference to win. Other than the ladder match at Money in the Bank, I can't remember any other title match that hasn't had at least one person interfering. I wouldn't have minded if he cheated using the belt, using the ropes, typical heel stuff. When the majority of his title defenses ended under interference from people, that's when I'm like, "OK, I'm sick of seeing this, give me ANYONE else as champion". That's exactly why he's a great heel champion.
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Post by Planktung on Jul 28, 2015 13:44:12 GMT -5
Just because Rollins hasn't been the kind of champion that some people here would book him as doesn't mean that his reign has been pathetic.
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Jul 28, 2015 14:04:32 GMT -5
If it weren't for the Authority this is exactly how I would've booked Sandows title reign if he'd won his cash in. although I would've had him start winning on his own around this point though. Seth needs to start winning on his own soon if this is going to be any kind of success. They should just give him the Damn curbstomp back though. His pedigree isn't very good, and he needs his own move. If he starts winning on his own and keeps it to Wrestlemania this can be salvaged. if not, this could kill him off after the reign is over.
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Post by attitudesback on Jul 28, 2015 14:08:45 GMT -5
Seth looks like the coward champion who sneaks by. He's doing it perfectly. Not every heel has to dominate..... Pretty much this. He's playing the role PERFECTLY. I think it's great, personally.
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Post by sean™ on Jul 28, 2015 14:16:54 GMT -5
Am I the only one who thinks this is on purpose?
As in, built him as a handcuffed champion now that uses "help" to win so that you can then use Seth's "ability to win matches on his own" as a wedge that divides him from the Authority.
They seemed like they were teasing a similar idea around MITB or shortly after.
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