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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Jul 2, 2015 16:45:08 GMT -5
If The Great Muta ever debut in the WWE would it make as big an impact as Sting's was? People say that Sting is the last big star to debut in the WWE but what about Muta? Surely he his debut would huge.
He has had a big career and is possibly one of the greatest and well known Japanese wrestlers of all time and not to mention the attires and masks he wore.
Was there ever a reason why he never signed the WWE did he have beef with Vince or something?
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Post by Happy Pizza on Jul 2, 2015 17:03:54 GMT -5
Muta is my favorite wrestler of all time, but at this point he's just too old and beat-up to have any real in-ring role in WWE. North American fans aren't familiar with him, so you wouldn't get the same nostalgia factor as Sting.
As for whether or not WWE fans would have bought his act if he did show up, that depends. The Muta character doesn't have to talk much so the language barrier wouldn't be a problem like it has been for Itami. If the commentators made him out to be a big deal, then sure he could get over. Jim Ross would make you believe Muta is a monster. If he came out with the three buffoons they have today and they're still talking about an inside joke from three segments ago, absolutely not.
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Post by marino13 on Jul 2, 2015 17:34:12 GMT -5
At one time I think it could have been magic. Could you imagine Great Muta vs Bret Hart for the WWF championship!?
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Post by greenjack1992 on Jul 2, 2015 17:58:45 GMT -5
Great thread.
I'm also curious as to why we never got Muta in WWE. Especially when he was at his peak.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2015 18:13:19 GMT -5
Great thread. I'm also curious as to why we never got Muta in WWE. Especially when he was at his peak. At the time he was hitting his stride, he wouldnt have made nearly what his was making in Japan. By the time his run was done, and he was becoming an attraction, he was broken down, and knee deep in promotional politics. WWF wouldnt have invested, nor would Muta have been willing to or be phyically able to, into building up Muta. They didnt own much footage of his early stuff at the time. He wasnt on tv every week, so casual fans didnt care, or see him as a World Title threat. Also the fact he was protective of his character, and was known for taking a night off...or week...or month. Now? They'd never evn consider it, unless it was a HoF induction. Not a good investment.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 1:36:33 GMT -5
lol nah
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Post by The Yes Man on Jul 3, 2015 1:39:16 GMT -5
Now it'd be stupid and pointless. 20 years ago, as Marino said, him and Bret for the WWF Title would be magic.
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Post by Liv Is Life on Jul 3, 2015 1:47:01 GMT -5
Let's be honest, Muta more than likely would have have been just generic in WWF and it probably would have hurt his overall mystique. Shinzaki came in and had a completely forgettable run as Hakushi minus a little program with Bret. Muta would have gone along the same path, came in and played dirty foreign heel #118 with Heenan as his manager (or Whippleman, yuck), had a program with Bret and/or Davey and been mostly an afterthought. I much preferred when he showed up in WCW, because you knew he was going to wreck some crap in the upper card with Flair or Sting etc..
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Post by MADNESS_NH_97 on Jul 3, 2015 3:54:03 GMT -5
It would be cool to see that happen while he is still able to Wrestle but i don't think that will ever happen. Eventhough i would love to see Muta Vs. Itami or Bálor.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 6:51:58 GMT -5
No. Sting was the franchise of WCW and the last major holdout.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 10:26:22 GMT -5
Now it'd be stupid and pointless. 20 years ago, as Marino said, him and Bret for the WWF Title would be magic. No reason to believe this could happen. Muta never had a good match off Japan soil after 92...just when Bret was becoming a world class worker. Their peaks never matched up, and getting Muta motivated off Japanese soil was becoming impossible. It would have been Bret vs a stiff. Good idea for videogames, action figures, and fantasy booking...but Muta was just the Japanese version of Larry Z....which is a compliment. Being the White Ninja in Florida, and moonsaulting every night wrecked his knees waaayyy too early.
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Post by JC Motors on Jul 3, 2015 10:35:24 GMT -5
Just have him sign a legends contract
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jul 3, 2015 10:36:28 GMT -5
Muta would be made out to be a fool during his WWE run if he ever had one.
Look at Hakushi, he had a great match with Bret Hart and then months later is with Barry Horowitz and trying to become more Americanized.
Look at Tajiri. He comes in and immediately gets put with William Regal as a joke character, never has a stand out match, wins a few titles here and there but is just seen as a comic relief wrestler who can be put into serious feuds or matches.
Sadly the Great Muta would fall into those categories too.
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Post by HHH316 on Jul 3, 2015 10:42:20 GMT -5
At one time I think it could have been magic. Could you imagine Great Muta vs Bret Hart for the WWF championship!? The thought of that, wow. I think I need to sit down.
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Post by A-Rob on Jul 3, 2015 13:22:16 GMT -5
It would have been interesting to see.
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Post by Himmy! on Jul 4, 2015 2:47:10 GMT -5
It's a shame it never happened. Definitely not now though.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 3:36:52 GMT -5
Muta would be made out to be a fool during his WWE run if he ever had one. Look at Hakushi, he had a great match with Bret Hart and then months later is with Barry Horowitz and trying to become more Americanized. Look at Tajiri. He comes in and immediately gets put with William Regal as a joke character, never has a stand out match, wins a few titles here and there but is just seen as a comic relief wrestler who can be put into serious feuds or matches. Sadly the Great Muta would fall into those categories too. They wouldn't put a legend of professional wrestling who has had a storied 30 year career into a ridiculous gimmick or team.. It would be like WWE having Sting come in only to job in the 2nd match on the card.
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Post by Grumpyoldman on Jul 4, 2015 7:14:11 GMT -5
According to Gary Hart's book (again, which is a must-read), the WWF was interested in bringing Muta in to feud with the Ultimate Warrior. It's on page 395 if you have the book. Gary advised Muta not to jump to the WWF because Muta's visa was secured through Turner Sports. He explained to Muta, "You're under contract with them (Turner) through the end of the year. If we tell them we're leaving to go to the WWF, they'll renege on your visa and send you back home. Or they'll job you out so you'll be worthless by the time we enter the WWF."
Very sound advice. It would have been cool to see Muta in the WWF, but I think he wouldn't have been used correctly.
On a side note, the WWF also wanted to bring in Gary Hart as Doink's manager. They wanted to call him The Ringmaster & dress him like an old-time circus ring master. Thankfully, Hart declined.
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Post by Nivro™ on Jul 4, 2015 10:27:49 GMT -5
According to Gary Hart's book (again, which is a must-read), the WWF was interested in bringing Muta in to feud with the Ultimate Warrior. It's on page 395 if you have the book. Gary advised Muta not to jump to the WWF because Muta's visa was secured through Turner Sports. He explained to Muta, "You're under contract with them (Turner) through the end of the year. If we tell them we're leaving to go to the WWF, they'll renege on your visa and send you back home. Or they'll job you out so you'll be worthless by the time we enter the WWF." Very sound advice. It would have been cool to see Muta in the WWF, but I think he wouldn't have been used correctly. On a side note, the WWF also wanted to bring in Gary Hart as Doink's manager. They wanted to call him The Ringmaster & dress him like an old-time circus ring master. Thankfully, Hart declined. That would have been a train wreck. You think Warrior gets winded working with stiffs like Hogan, put him in the ring with Muta. Im pretty sure Muta was close to comming in around early 2000s. I think it was a push that Shane was making and even had a few meetings with him.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Jul 4, 2015 11:00:28 GMT -5
No, it wouldn't make as big an impact, and Muta is nowhere near the star that Sting is. Being a big wrestling star outside of WWE is confined exclusively to those who were top guys in WCW during the Monday Night Wars boom period. Being a top guy in Japan in the 80s doesn't cut it, nor does being a guy who main-evented in WCW back before Bischoff made WCW relevant, or being a guy who has worked on top in TNA or the old ECW or any other promotion.
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