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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2015 17:20:21 GMT -5
I just wanted to do a compare and contrast look at the divas ppv results for the raw women's division.
Notice back in the day mostly All of them got used at some point comparing to now only 4 got used.It wasn't a popular contest it was all about talent facing talent not popular chicks vs popular chicks.This is a problem with the divas now half of them don't get used.
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Post by Danger10 on Jul 2, 2015 19:05:40 GMT -5
My opinion... the next chapter for women's wrestling will not TRULY start in the company until the Bellas are gone. I honestly feel that they are what's holding the division back because everything has to revolve around them at all times. This
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jul 2, 2015 19:48:59 GMT -5
I just wanted to do a compare and contrast look at the divas ppv results for the raw women's division. Notice back in the day mostly All of them got used at some point comparing to now only 4 got used.It wasn't a popular contest it was all about talent facing talent not popular chicks vs popular chicks.This is a problem with the divas now half of them don't get used. It's pro wrestling. It's ALWAYS a popularity contest. Also, notice how every single match you posted in 2003 had either Trish or Lita except for one, and Molly/Ivory was a dumb idea because nobody gave a about it. Also look at this. In 2003 here are the girls involved in the title picture on PPVs. Trish, Victoria, Jazz, Jackie, Molly, Lita and Ivory. That's seven girls. Compare that to 2014 where AJ Lee, Cameron, Paige, Tamina, Alicia Fox, Naomi and Nikki Bella were involved in title matches. That's seven. And that's without me counting Brie/Stephanie getting shine or the 14 Diva match at Mania.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2015 20:13:53 GMT -5
I just wanted to do a compare and contrast look at the divas ppv results for the raw women's division. Notice back in the day mostly All of them got used at some point comparing to now only 4 got used.It wasn't a popular contest it was all about talent facing talent not popular chicks vs popular chicks.This is a problem with the divas now half of them don't get used. It's pro wrestling. It's ALWAYS a popularity contest. Also, notice how every single match you posted in 2003 had either Trish or Lita except for one, and Molly/Ivory was a dumb idea because nobody gave a about it. Also look at this. In 2003 here are the girls involved in the title picture on PPVs. Trish, Victoria, Jazz, Jackie, Molly, Lita and Ivory. That's seven girls. Compare that to 2014 where AJ Lee, Cameron, Paige, Tamina, Alicia Fox, Naomi and Nikki Bella were involved in title matches. That's seven. And that's without me counting Brie/Stephanie getting shine or the 14 Diva match at Mania. The difference Between that list compared to 2014 is that maybe trish and lita may have been popular but it wasn't Trish vs Lita,Trish vs lita,Trish vs Lita for the past 9 months like the bellas,Paige and AJ was.They actually used the other girls and used mostly all the raw divas at that time in PPV matches.So if trish did face lita they wouldn't go 9 months in like the bellas,AJ and paige have been.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jul 2, 2015 20:17:33 GMT -5
It's pro wrestling. It's ALWAYS a popularity contest. Also, notice how every single match you posted in 2003 had either Trish or Lita except for one, and Molly/Ivory was a dumb idea because nobody gave a about it. Also look at this. In 2003 here are the girls involved in the title picture on PPVs. Trish, Victoria, Jazz, Jackie, Molly, Lita and Ivory. That's seven girls. Compare that to 2014 where AJ Lee, Cameron, Paige, Tamina, Alicia Fox, Naomi and Nikki Bella were involved in title matches. That's seven. And that's without me counting Brie/Stephanie getting shine or the 14 Diva match at Mania. The difference Between that list compared to 2014 is that maybe trish and lita may have been popular but it wasn't Trish vs Lita,Trish vs lita,Trish vs Lita for the past 9 months like the bellas,Paige and AJ was.They actually used the other girls and used mostly all the raw divas at that time in PPV matches.So if trish did face lita they wouldn't go 9 months in like the bellas,AJ and paige have been. I agree, there was more variety, but it's still the same amount of girls getting the shine. Seven girls in 2003. Seven girls in 2014. For every 2003 match involving someone like Ivory or Jackie, 2014 had Tamina and Cameron.
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Post by BØRNS on Jul 6, 2015 23:45:55 GMT -5
I agree
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Post by | NLS™ | on Jul 12, 2015 0:33:23 GMT -5
It's weird how whenever someone doesn't like a wrestler, that wrestler's success is forced by the marketing machine. But if someone likes a wrestler, that wrestler's success is all organic and down to the wrestler. In this case it is forced. Both Bellas are being banged by top talent Michelle McCool style. Example number 1, Nikki takes Cena's flesh pipebomb nightly which is why shes been Diva's Champ for sooo long.
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Post by slappy on Jul 12, 2015 1:18:00 GMT -5
It's weird how whenever someone doesn't like a wrestler, that wrestler's success is forced by the marketing machine. But if someone likes a wrestler, that wrestler's success is all organic and down to the wrestler. In this case it is forced. Both Bellas are being banged by top talent Michelle McCool style. Example number 1, Nikki takes Cena's flesh pipebomb nightly which is why shes been Diva's Champ for sooo long. Women who date wrestlers will never get the credit they deserve. Anything they accomplish will always be because of the wrestler they are dating. It's awful. Nikki has vastly improved and deserves the title.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2015 1:23:35 GMT -5
In this case it is forced. Both Bellas are being banged by top talent Michelle McCool style. Example number 1, Nikki takes Cena's flesh pipebomb nightly which is why shes been Diva's Champ for sooo long. Women who date wrestlers will never get the credit they deserve. Anything they accomplish will always be because of the wrestler they are dating. It's awful. Nikki has vastly improved and deserves the title. Eh. People have been saying the same thing about Triple H for years. Hell,Scott Steiner flat out said he would be nothing without Steph though I don't agree with that. Truth be told he wouldn't have had such a successful run and he wouldn't be about to take over the company without Steph. Still, HHH is/was good at what he did.
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Post by slappy on Jul 12, 2015 1:25:37 GMT -5
Women who date wrestlers will never get the credit they deserve. Anything they accomplish will always be because of the wrestler they are dating. It's awful. Nikki has vastly improved and deserves the title. Eh. People have been saying the same thing about Triple H for years. Hell,Scott Steiner flat out said he would be nothing without Steph though I don't agree with that. Truth be told he wouldn't have had such a successful run and he wouldn't be about to take over the company without Steph. Still, HHH is/was good at what he did. But he's an anomaly. It's always female wrestlers who get crap on for dating male wrestlers and getting titles or pushes.
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Post by T R W on Jul 12, 2015 1:43:41 GMT -5
Eh. People have been saying the same thing about Triple H for years. Hell,Scott Steiner flat out said he would be nothing without Steph though I don't agree with that. Truth be told he wouldn't have had such a successful run and he wouldn't be about to take over the company without Steph. Still, HHH is/was good at what he did. But he's an anomaly. It's always female wrestlers who get crap on for dating male wrestlers and getting titles or pushes. The only reason HHH is an anomaly is because Stephanie is the only woman with power in wrestling. There are no other women for men to date to benefit their career. But I do think the grief given to HHH for dating Stephanie and the Bellas for dating Cena and Bryan is overdone and mostly unwarranted.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Jul 12, 2015 1:49:55 GMT -5
It's weird how whenever someone doesn't like a wrestler, that wrestler's success is forced by the marketing machine. But if someone likes a wrestler, that wrestler's success is all organic and down to the wrestler. In this case it is forced. Both Bellas are being banged by top talent Michelle McCool style. Example number 1, Nikki takes Cena's flesh pipebomb nightly which is why shes been Diva's Champ for sooo long. The reason Nikki has been champ for so long is because they want someone to surpass AJ's record as longest reigning Divas champion. Nikki happened to have the belt when AJ left (I think) so she gets the new record-length run.
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Post by cmiller79 on Jul 12, 2015 2:11:36 GMT -5
Brie Bella is pretty poor. Nikki on the other hand, I think she's pretty great. She's improving in the ring recently and showing good character. The whole "Fearless" doesn't help, but she's doing pretty good I think. Am I The only one that likes Brie better? nope I like brie better out of the 2
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Post by Lewscher on Jul 12, 2015 4:23:49 GMT -5
I'm just hoping the the mainstream Bella Twins get taken out by the up and coming boss of nxt and paige story line purposes.
But mainly wwe needs their divas version of cena, so why not have cenas side girl as tbe poster, boost the 'bella brand' for total divas etc.
Still though just take it for what it is and hope like I did just now aha
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Post by ZDB on Jul 12, 2015 4:36:55 GMT -5
It's pro wrestling. It's ALWAYS a popularity contest. Also, notice how every single match you posted in 2003 had either Trish or Lita except for one, and Molly/Ivory was a dumb idea because nobody gave a about it. Also look at this. In 2003 here are the girls involved in the title picture on PPVs. Trish, Victoria, Jazz, Jackie, Molly, Lita and Ivory. That's seven girls. Compare that to 2014 where AJ Lee, Cameron, Paige, Tamina, Alicia Fox, Naomi and Nikki Bella were involved in title matches. That's seven. And that's without me counting Brie/Stephanie getting shine or the 14 Diva match at Mania. The difference Between that list compared to 2014 is that maybe trish and lita may have been popular but it wasn't Trish vs Lita,Trish vs lita,Trish vs Lita for the past 9 months like the bellas,Paige and AJ was.They actually used the other girls and used mostly all the raw divas at that time in PPV matches.So if trish did face lita they wouldn't go 9 months in like the bellas,AJ and paige have been. This begs the question: "Does anyone want to see Tamina wrestle?" which can be answered with "No".
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Jul 12, 2015 14:49:47 GMT -5
They are the most marketable of the Divas they have. What's more marketable than smoking hot twins?
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Jul 12, 2015 15:00:01 GMT -5
It's weird how whenever someone doesn't like a wrestler, that wrestler's success is forced by the marketing machine. But if someone likes a wrestler, that wrestler's success is all organic and down to the wrestler. In this case it is forced. Both Bellas are being banged by top talent Michelle McCool style. Example number 1, Nikki takes Cena's flesh pipebomb nightly which is why shes been Diva's Champ for sooo long.
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Post by AJ F'n Brooks on Jul 12, 2015 15:19:03 GMT -5
In this case it is forced. Both Bellas are being banged by top talent Michelle McCool style. Example number 1, Nikki takes Cena's flesh pipebomb nightly which is why shes been Diva's Champ for sooo long. That's predictable but invalid. AJ's success came long before she started dating CM Punk. No comparison really.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Jul 12, 2015 15:27:39 GMT -5
That's predictable but invalid. AJ's success came long before she started dating CM Punk. No comparison really. Don't be silly. All girls who win the divas title and are dating main event wrestlers only win the divas title because they are dating main event wrestlers. Or at least, that's a nonsensical thing we can say if we don't like them. Which goes back to my original post in this thread back on page 1.
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Post by AJ F'n Brooks on Jul 12, 2015 15:46:42 GMT -5
That's predictable but invalid. AJ's success came long before she started dating CM Punk. No comparison really. Don't be silly. All girls who win the divas title and are dating main event wrestlers only win the divas title because they are dating main event wrestlers. Or at least, that's a nonsensical thing we can say if we don't like them. Which goes back to my original post in this thread back on page 1. I never said anything on this topic. I just quoted you because the AJ Lee/CM Punk comparison is silly. Just like I said already, AJ's success came long before she started dating CM Punk. She was in Main Event level storylines and won her first Championship before she started dating Punk. No comparison really. If you want to make a point then you should get some valid examples. That's all I'm saying.
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