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Post by Jonathan Karate on Jun 21, 2015 18:55:02 GMT -5
His non-push after Survivor Series was probably the final straw.... He should have been pushed to the ing moon coming off of that showing. I was severely confused by this turn of events I have to say. They had something to legit build on there.....yet zippo Easily the biggest booking botch of 2014.
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Post by SodaGuy on Jun 21, 2015 19:04:55 GMT -5
Ziggler - and his fans - need to understand that he is never going to be a "top star" for WWE. I enjoy some of his matches but he is not someone that can carry the company upon his shoulders. He is the prime example of someone that lost their "main event" potential with one world heavyweight championship. He is not the caliber of talent that someone like John Cena or Seth Rollins or Brock Lesnar are. It's harsh but it's also reality.
now someone will yell at me because I said he is not the caliber of talent that John Cena is.
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Post by Matt Culture on Jun 21, 2015 20:28:30 GMT -5
since when is speculation on someones status, News?
whats worse is that dirt sheets are reporting this as fact. when its just pure speculation. ziggler will resign, trust me
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Post by PattyRickRick on Jun 21, 2015 20:50:22 GMT -5
Dolph is an egomaniac and I personally am not a fan.
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Jun 21, 2015 21:17:27 GMT -5
What is The Ziggler doing in the Temple?
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Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on Jun 21, 2015 21:50:26 GMT -5
I'd put money on him wrestling the indies under his real name because it's a pretty solid real name.
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Post by savage on Jun 21, 2015 22:08:21 GMT -5
To be honest, I wouldn't mind seeing him go. It could open up a spot for someone that is actually entertaining to become a star. Something Dolph has proven to be incapable of doing.
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Post by CrossRhodes on Jun 21, 2015 22:40:58 GMT -5
As much as I'd miss him, the way things are going it may be best for Dolphs career to get out of WWE while he's still got some gas left in the tank.
He still has time to leave his mark on the indies or Japan it's ridiculous that WWE creative couldn't come up with something...This lana thing really doesn't count, it's so awkward to watch.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Jun 22, 2015 6:55:21 GMT -5
Ziggler - and his fans - need to understand that he is never going to be a "top star" for WWE. I enjoy some of his matches but he is not someone that can carry the company upon his shoulders. He is the prime example of someone that lost their "main event" potential with one world heavyweight championship. He is not the caliber of talent that someone like John Cena or Seth Rollins or Brock Lesnar are. It's harsh but it's also reality. now someone will yell at me because I said he is not the caliber of talent that John Cena is.No one is on Cena's level. I think he is definitely on the same level as Seth Rollins though.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2015 7:11:42 GMT -5
What the hell is Zolph Diggler doing on the impact zone.
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Post by k5 on Jun 22, 2015 7:24:44 GMT -5
Ziggler - and his fans - need to understand that he is never going to be a "top star" for WWE. I enjoy some of his matches but he is not someone that can carry the company upon his shoulders. He is the prime example of someone that lost their "main event" potential with one world heavyweight championship. He is not the caliber of talent that someone like John Cena or Seth Rollins or Brock Lesnar are. It's harsh but it's also reality. now someone will yell at me because I said he is not the caliber of talent that John Cena is. while i respect your opinion, wrestling is not meritocratic. it does not reward those that are the best at what they do, or recognize the talent (or lack thereof) some people have. john cena was the golden boy since ovw. ziggler never could catch a break. to act as if it's talent that seperates the two instead of how wwe agents see you and your 'look' is really absurd. i mean, batista made it in wrestling. seriously. and he got given so many chances, that even he eventually connected to the crowd despite his lack of inring ability and generally being injury prone. the giant gonsalves wrestled higher in the card than steve austin in wcw, so of course the giant gonsalves was a way better talent! he was at the top! ...yeah no.
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Post by Yambag Jones on Jun 22, 2015 7:56:47 GMT -5
Production cost is around $2 million per episode. They don't make that money back through low-tier advertising. They keep saying that Season 2 is a thing, but it hasn't been confirmed and talent has started booking other dates. They were going to do a traveling show, but that was scrapped as well. I don't want to make this about Lucha Underground but they don't have any exclusive talent and according to WrestleZone they are all keeping August and September open. They haven't got word yet on a season two, which isn't great but it's not necessarily bad news. I think a lot of this might be riding on getting the show on the large Spanish speaking networks. But last I heard they were still taking about signing Rey Mysterio. I can't imagine they'd still be taking about it if there was a chance they were going to be canceled. But to tie all this into Dolph Ziggler, I really hope he shows up for season 2. I know he won't be there from the beginning but I'd love to see him in LU. Neither do I, I was just talking about the promotions he could go to. IF he leaves WWE (which I'll believe when I see it), I really think his options wrestling wise would be as a touring talent. TNA, LU, and RoH wouldn't really make sense (like I said, I'm certain 2 will be out of business). Maybe Global Force? I'd add PWG (my favorite promotion) to the list, but I don't know if he'd fit in. This will be interesting to watch. If he leaves, I look forward to seeing him in person at AAW and Dreamwave.
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Post by Yayo on Jun 22, 2015 9:50:29 GMT -5
He'd be an idiot to give up the big checks just because he isn't a marquee talent. All he's done for the past three years is complain in interviews and become one of the most stale acts on the roster. He should be grateful he is where he is, his ego is far too inflated.
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Post by J12 on Jun 22, 2015 10:47:11 GMT -5
I don't want to see Ziggler go anywhere, but it won't surprise me if he does. It's been a frustrating start-stop journey with him, to the point that its devalued him as a performer and made it hard for fans to stick behind him. They still do, though, which says something about his chemistry with the audience.
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Post by mutafan on Jun 22, 2015 10:57:18 GMT -5
i know i am totally against the shield guys for there push when talent such as Ziggler and cesaro and big E is always downplayed big show and kane always seen to loose to whom ever is getting the current push. when kane and big show would kick damn near every bodies ass in wwe. and dont get me started about bray wyatt. the wyatt family is one of the best gimmicks wwe has ever come up with and they let it go.
I think wwe is loosing there minds. and letting ziggler go would be a great example again sorry if your a shield fan i just think others should be getting theres before those 3
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Post by SodaGuy on Jun 22, 2015 11:39:51 GMT -5
Ziggler - and his fans - need to understand that he is never going to be a "top star" for WWE. I enjoy some of his matches but he is not someone that can carry the company upon his shoulders. He is the prime example of someone that lost their "main event" potential with one world heavyweight championship. He is not the caliber of talent that someone like John Cena or Seth Rollins or Brock Lesnar are. It's harsh but it's also reality. now someone will yell at me because I said he is not the caliber of talent that John Cena is. while i respect your opinion, wrestling is not meritocratic. it does not reward those that are the best at what they do, or recognize the talent (or lack thereof) some people have. john cena was the golden boy since ovw. ziggler never could catch a break. to act as if it's talent that seperates the two instead of how wwe agents see you and your 'look' is really absurd. i mean, batista made it in wrestling. seriously. and he got given so many chances, that even he eventually connected to the crowd despite his lack of inring ability and generally being injury prone. the giant gonsalves wrestled higher in the card than steve austin in wcw, so of course the giant gonsalves was a way better talent! he was at the top! ...yeah no. Ziggler could never catch a break because - in my opinion - he is not a main event talent nor could be pushed as a main event talent in 2015. You can take John Cena away from the organzation and Ziggler is still not going to be the main event superstar. The reality is that WWE could have picked Batista to be the "golden goose" in 2005 instead of John Cena and we would be sitting here talking about how Batista is to blame for him not getting a push. There comes a point when you have to realize that maybe the problem isn't everyone around Ziggler "holding him back" but the problem is Ziggler (and his fans) believe he's a marquee player when he really isn't.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Jun 22, 2015 12:49:10 GMT -5
I don't want to make this about Lucha Underground but they don't have any exclusive talent and according to WrestleZone they are all keeping August and September open. They haven't got word yet on a season two, which isn't great but it's not necessarily bad news. I think a lot of this might be riding on getting the show on the large Spanish speaking networks. But last I heard they were still taking about signing Rey Mysterio. I can't imagine they'd still be taking about it if there was a chance they were going to be canceled. But to tie all this into Dolph Ziggler, I really hope he shows up for season 2. I know he won't be there from the beginning but I'd love to see him in LU. Neither do I, I was just talking about the promotions he could go to. IF he leaves WWE (which I'll believe when I see it), I really think his options wrestling wise would be as a touring talent. TNA, LU, and RoH wouldn't really make sense (like I said, I'm certain 2 will be out of business). Maybe Global Force? I'd add PWG (my favorite promotion) to the list, but I don't know if he'd fit in. This will be interesting to watch. If he leaves, I look forward to seeing him in person at AAW and Dreamwave. I didn't mean to imply that you were trying to hijack the thread. That was really just a preemptive strike incase someone bitched. I'm a little more optimistic than you on LU'S survival. There's still talk of touring the southwest, getting the show on the biggest Spanish language network in America, one of biggest channels in Mexico and signing Rey Mysterio. So I'm hopeful. Plus I think Dolph would fit in best here. I'm not interested in seeing him in TNA and I'm torn on him in ROH. I'm doubting how serious these reports are though.
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Post by k5 on Jun 22, 2015 13:47:20 GMT -5
while i respect your opinion, wrestling is not meritocratic. it does not reward those that are the best at what they do, or recognize the talent (or lack thereof) some people have. john cena was the golden boy since ovw. ziggler never could catch a break. to act as if it's talent that seperates the two instead of how wwe agents see you and your 'look' is really absurd. i mean, batista made it in wrestling. seriously. and he got given so many chances, that even he eventually connected to the crowd despite his lack of inring ability and generally being injury prone. the giant gonsalves wrestled higher in the card than steve austin in wcw, so of course the giant gonsalves was a way better talent! he was at the top! ...yeah no. Ziggler could never catch a break because - in my opinion - he is not a main event talent nor could be pushed as a main event talent in 2015. You can take John Cena away from the organzation and Ziggler is still not going to be the main event superstar. The reality is that WWE could have picked Batista to be the "golden goose" in 2005 instead of John Cena and we would be sitting here talking about how Batista is to blame for him not getting a push. There comes a point when you have to realize that maybe the problem isn't everyone around Ziggler "holding him back" but the problem is Ziggler (and his fans) believe he's a marquee player when he really isn't. i disagree of course, but i recognize that i may very well be one of those fans you speak of. my only last comment would be that i felt his popularity (at least on this board) was at it's height when he had big e, aj and the briefcase and as the writing for him became slack so did people's support. i think a lot of people felt his time came again last survivor series and the writing was for him, and then the follow up ic title...but it was once again seemingly too good to be true. my point is, how can you prove you can run with the ball if they don't hand it to you at some point? now, rather he could run with it or not is a reasonable argument. but we won't really know because he never was given a run at the top. all this said, this thread is eerily similar to the sheamus thread from a few days ago! only this time i'm on the opposite end of things.
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Jun 22, 2015 13:50:35 GMT -5
Vince isn't stupid... if he thought Ziggler could make him money, he'd have given him the push he thinks he deserves, by now. The fact that he hasn't, is because Ziggler's got nothing more to offer, than what he's giving at the moment - and at present, there's plenty more people on the main roster and waiting in NXT, that offer more than Ziggler can, or ever will.
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Post by The Champ is Here! on Jun 22, 2015 14:08:02 GMT -5
Ziggler should go, wwe has dropped the ball with him too often
They should have given him a major push after survivor series...
They could have done it this way
He gets fired, Sting/Cena win his job back, he gets in the rumble, has to fight to keep his spot, he does, but the authority makes it entrant #1
He winds up winning the rumble (fending off kane and big show as he does it)
In the coming weeks the authority makes him face a plethora of heels to keep his main event status, through it all he does,
At fastlane you have him face triple h, if he loses then he is out and Rollins is in
Sting distracts Trips (better than the call out we got at fastlane) and Dolph wins, he goes on to main event WM31
There he can beat lesnar, and go on to have the run DBry should have had, or...
You still let Rollins cash in and win...now you have Ziggler chase him, imagine the matches, and you have built a big face too
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