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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 8:02:00 GMT -5
@3nwpro @brickandyozen and SodaGuyI agree with Planktung. It's not as unpopular as you would think. Righto, Kev...no worries...
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 8:02:51 GMT -5
haha good one. The difference between the opinions is that WrestleKingdom 8 was quite possibly the greatest wrestling PPV event of all time, with the highest quality of wrestling standard of a show not seen since the Osaka G1 show in 2013. Dolph Ziggler however is the most successful member of the Spirit Squad, is noteworthy for his speaking ability, of such is comprised of "I'm so damn sick of being so damn sick" and "steal the show...and your girlfriend," as well as his in-ring prowess & ability of being able to sell the crap out of moves to the point they look as if they're a circus stunt. Dolph Ziggler will never earn a dime for the WWE and his in-ring ability, while not bad, leaves a LOT to be desired. We're talking about Wrestle Kingdom 9, not 8. Also, nobody is denying how great WK9 was. It was my favorite PPV of 2015 and the best I've seen all year. However, I felt that the only match on the card that bested Becky/Sasha was Ibushi/Nakamura. In the Match of the Year thread, I have that Intercontinental Title match as number 1 and Becky/Sasha as number three. Also, nobody is debating whether or not Dolph Ziggler will be able to draw or whether or not he oversells. I'm not saying he's a top 5 or 10 worker in the company. All I'm saying is that Reigns/Orton at SummerSlam was nowhere near Ziggler/Del Rio from Payback 2013 or Ziggler/Bryan from Bragging Rights 2010, etc. Reigns has now had FAR better matches in 2015 that could be argued. rofl at WK8. I called it WK10 earlier this year. I confuse the numbers too much. Minoru Suzuki vs Kazushi Sakuraba, Tomohiro Ishii vs Togi Makabe, Kazuchika Okada vs Hiroshi Tanahashi and of course Kota Ibushi vs Shinsuke Nakamura were all, in my opinion, far better than Sasha Banks vs Becky Lynch. Which in my unpopular opinion was not better than the NXT Divas Fatal-four-way earlier this year, and by that standard only a ***1/2 at best. I felt like taking liberties on Dolph Ziggler given the situation, much like you would bring up Roman Reigns promos when I defended his matches last year. Ziggler/Del Rio from Payback 2013 was decent, mainly because of the way Alberto was portrayed. Ziggler/Bryan was good too but Bryan was the focal point of it. Dolph Ziggler is always the sideshow to other guys.
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Post by attitudesback on May 27, 2015 8:51:03 GMT -5
Japanese wrestling is hard to watch/not as enjoyable as something like NXT
People don't fully understand the Ambrose hate and are just jumping to "oh people always moan.. hes not austin1!!1!"
Unpopular? Unsure, but Lana/Rusev splitting was awful.. They need to reunite after Lana double crosses someone giving Rusev the IC title.
Reigns needed to attach himself to someone like Ambrose to help him get over just a little bit more. A heel turn will also complement that.
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Post by Liv Is Life on May 27, 2015 9:04:39 GMT -5
Most people on the board hated Steen until he signed with WWE and became Owens and won the belt. I find it's the other way around. Yeah, thats not true at all. Kevin Steen was a darling around here and pretty much anywhere else on the internet.
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Post by Grumpyoldman on May 27, 2015 9:14:53 GMT -5
I still cringe when I see John Tenta as The Shark. Such a terrible gimmick for a guy who had a lot of talent. Terry Gordy is one of the most agile "big men" in wrestling. I still have to Google Larry Zbyszko's name just to see if I'm spelling it correctly. Plus, he can still crack me up by referring to people as "Spudheads". Lance Storm is under appreciated. He had so much talent, but so little charisma. Adrian Street should have had a run in the WWF. They dropped the ball by not signing him. Jerry Lawler isn't as good as he thinks he is. A lot of the Mid-South era was a joke.
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Post by marino13 on May 27, 2015 10:18:42 GMT -5
I always thought Sable had an old leather face.
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Post by The Future on May 27, 2015 10:34:26 GMT -5
Undertaker should have retired at the same exact time as hbk.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 11:19:45 GMT -5
On the road to WrestleMania 27, The Miz was more entertaining than the Rock and John Cena. Combined. You won't get any arguments from me. This ^ was brilliant!
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 17:19:17 GMT -5
I don't have that much respect for Steve Austin anymore since he beat up his wife
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 22:38:47 GMT -5
When you sit down and finally realize the older guys who you grew up watching should've already retired.
It's a tough reality as a fan. I like new but the childhood memories of monster chair shots to the head( irony), beer drinking, eye brow raising, Hulkamaniacin Stinger Splashin to choke slam whammin diamond ring jammin tombstone pile-driving in a Cadillac......new day?
More like Hogan slammin Andre
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 0:53:01 GMT -5
I have a list of my top 10 underrated wrestlers that lots of people seem to disagree with.
10. Maven 9. Val Venis 8. Taz 7. Dynamite Kid 6. Steve Blackman 5. Ken Shamrock 4. Charlie Haas 3. Ashley Remington/Dalton Castle 2. John Morrison 1. Chase Stevens
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 0:57:35 GMT -5
I have a list of my top 10 underrated wrestlers that lots of people seem to disagree with. 10. Maven 9. Val Venis 8. Taz 7. Dynamite Kic 6. Steve Blackman 5. Ken Shamrock 4. Charlie Haas 3. Ashley Remington/Dalton Castle 2. John Morrison 1. Chase Stevens I disagree with Taz being underrated. He always comes up as one of the best guys in ECW when there's an ECW discussion. I've never heard of the Dynamite Kic, but there's this guy called the Dynamite Kid who's only underrated by people who've never seen a match of his
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 1:02:34 GMT -5
I have a list of my top 10 underrated wrestlers that lots of people seem to disagree with. 10. Maven 9. Val Venis 8. Taz 7. Dynamite Kic 6. Steve Blackman 5. Ken Shamrock 4. Charlie Haas 3. Ashley Remington/Dalton Castle 2. John Morrison 1. Chase Stevens I disagree with Taz being underrated. He always comes up as one of the best guys in ECW when there's an ECW discussion. I've never heard of the Dynamite Kic, but there's this guy called the Dynamite Kid who's only underrated by people who've never seen a match of his Taz being underrated comes from the way he was criminally under-utilised in WWE, despite the fact he was nearing the end of his career. I feel Kid is underrated because he put on a lot of classics in the late 80s and 90s in Japan, America, England, everywhere, but they're rarely mentioned today.
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Post by WalterF on May 28, 2015 23:25:39 GMT -5
I disagree with Taz being underrated. He always comes up as one of the best guys in ECW when there's an ECW discussion. I've never heard of the Dynamite Kic, but there's this guy called the Dynamite Kid who's only underrated by people who've never seen a match of his Taz being underrated comes from the way he was criminally under-utilised in WWE, despite the fact he was nearing the end of his career. I feel Kid is underrated because he put on a lot of classics in the late 80s and 90s in Japan, America, England, everywhere, but they're rarely mentioned today. Agee big time with Dynamite. In some ways, he introduced the style used a lot in Stampede and onto Bret Hart and Bulldog in wwf. Even Bret mentions that he learned immensely from Dynamite and always said that Dynamite was actually better than Bret and created the style guys that were smaller used in wwf/e. He is super influential but gets mentioned in passing usually.
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Post by Jaz on May 29, 2015 9:56:45 GMT -5
I'm probably going to get a ton of heat for this, but it's my opinion so who cares.
The over hyping of the NXT Women's matches makes it really hard for me to enjoy them.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on May 29, 2015 9:58:13 GMT -5
I'm probably going to get a ton of heat for this, but it's my opinion so who cares. The over hyping of the NXT Women's matches makes it really hard for me to enjoy them. Hey, I got a ton of heat for saying Sasha Banks was the best women's wrestler in WWE history. It happens.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 10:00:49 GMT -5
I like The Miz. Have done since he won MITB in 2010.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on May 29, 2015 16:31:27 GMT -5
Outside of his athleticism, there is nothing special about John Morrison.
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Post by Weemanv1 on May 29, 2015 16:35:08 GMT -5
Outside of his athleticism, there is nothing special about John Morrison. I dunno, he's one of the sexiest guys the WWE has ever employed. I'd have gone gay for him.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 16:45:47 GMT -5
Outside of his athleticism, there is nothing special about John Morrison. Honestly though, people have said the exact same thing about Shelton Benjamin. Austin just said it on his latest podcast, actually.
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