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Post by CrazyCanuck on Jun 30, 2015 11:53:36 GMT -5
Did you literally join the board just to respond to my comment? I'm not shoving my opinion down everyone's throats, I'm responding to people who dispute my opinion or call me stupid for having it. Btw, I never said it was just his opponents carrying him to a 4 star match. It's his opponents, the structure of the match and all of the false finishes. Great Khali didn't have a gold match with Cena. Great Khali can't have a good match with anyone. Why is he even being brought up? It's a matter of opinions and it seems like a lot of people get mad when you decide to come out and state one. Get over yourself, Bubba. You're arguing in two threads about how much Cena sucks and daring people to name five impressive moves he does. By the way: Attitude Adjustment. Springboard Stunner Swinging Facebuster he did last night Tornado DDT Yoshi Tonic/Code Red Do those moves always look great? Nah, but they're not botches either just because they're clunky. Cena is built like a brick house, so not everything he does is going to look crisp. I do see you going on and on and on about how you "can tell me what you didn't like about each of those matches." Whoopty friggin' doo bruh! Great Khali had a great match with John Cena, you just don't think so because it's Khali and Cena and you refuse to admit that Cena has ever done anything good. That makes you a smark. Nobody is mad that you have an opinion, it's that you won't let anyone else have theirs. So you're giving me excuses as to why Cena can't pull of a simple move looking crisp. In my opinion, Cena's match with Khali sucked. I don't refuse to admit Cena has ever done anything good, I think he is extremely overrated as a wrestler. I don't think he is good and I can tell everyone why I don't think he's good. I'm not pulling this stuff out of my ass, if you don't think I have a point whatsoever and I am just crazy than you are the one that needs to get your head checked. Actually, I am letting people have theirs. I posted a comment in an unpopular opinions thread, one person respectfully disagreed and that's cool. But 4 more come at me just because I think Cena isn't good. The only comments I am debating in the other thread are the ones that directly dispute my comment, or the ones that call me stupid for thinking Cena is bad. Shove the work "smark" up your ass. It's 2015, can we stop labelling people already?
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Post by CrazyCanuck on Jun 30, 2015 11:55:09 GMT -5
Great match? With Khali? Wait, what? Is your eyesight working correctly? I remember time and time again stating that Cena's matches were good because of the style of match, the constant kick outs, and his opponents. Remove one component and instead of having a 5 star match (to a lot of people) he has a 3 star match. You can literally say the second half of that about any match ever. Your arguments are invalid, good sir. So the main event of last night had 2 kick outs where as Cena's match had 18. Any match ever? Stretch. Most matches? Still a stretch.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 11:56:13 GMT -5
You can literally say the second half of that about any match ever. Your arguments are invalid, good sir. So the main event of last night had 2 kick outs where as Cena's match had 18. Any match ever? Stretch. Most matches? Still a stretch. What the does the number of kickouts have to do with the quality of the match?
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Post by CrazyCanuck on Jun 30, 2015 11:56:21 GMT -5
Great match? With Khali? Wait, what? Is your eyesight working correctly? I remember time and time again stating that Cena's matches were good because of the style of match, the constant kick outs, and his opponents. Remove one component and instead of having a 5 star match (to a lot of people) he has a 3 star match. I'm honestly surprised the "Cena SUX LOL" fad is still going strong after all this time. I don't care if someone likes John or not, or finds his work stale. But calling him a bad wrestler, a bad worker or saying that all of his opponents carry him in every match he's ever had is complete and utter ignorance. Of course, the trend of labelling continues. I'm now ignorant because you can't read correctly.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jun 30, 2015 11:57:57 GMT -5
Remember that time when The Great Khali carried John to that great match they had? Yeah, man, that was all Khali, that Jabroni John Cena is so lucky that other people always make him look good. Great match? With Khali? Wait, what? The Great Khali carried John Cena Umaga carried John Cena Sabu carried John Cena Zack Ryder carried John Cena JBL carried John Cena Is your eyesight working correctly? I remember time and time again stating that Cena's matches were good because of the style of match, the constant kick outs, and his opponents. Remove one component and instead of having a 5 star match (to a lot of people) he has a 3 star match. Sigh. I wanna be done dude. He never had a GREAT 4 STAR match with Khali, but the best and probably only good match of Khali's career came against Cena. There were no constant kick outs at the time, his opponent was putrid and the style of match was done the only way would could do one with Khali. Nothing special. I've only seen one Cena match I would call five stars and that was at Money in the Bank 2011, where he, in my mind, outperformed Punk and I love Punk. The constant kickouts actually deter from his matches to me. It's the main reason why I prefer Cena/Owens at EC to Cena/Owens at MITB. It's why I enjoyed his match with Cesaro but didn't think it was out of this world. Cena can have good to great matches. He's had them with nearly everyone. Ambrose, Punk, Bryan, Owens, Batista, HBK, HHH, Edge, JBL, Umaga, Orton, Stardust, Neville, Brock, Seth, Bray, Rusev, and tons of others. He's also had bad matches with some of those guys. It happens. The good outweighs the bad. Now please, I don't want to waste time in here again.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 11:59:34 GMT -5
Get over yourself, Bubba. You're arguing in two threads about how much Cena sucks and daring people to name five impressive moves he does. By the way: Attitude Adjustment. Springboard Stunner Swinging Facebuster he did last night Tornado DDT Yoshi Tonic/Code Red Do those moves always look great? Nah, but they're not botches either just because they're clunky. Cena is built like a brick house, so not everything he does is going to look crisp. I do see you going on and on and on about how you "can tell me what you didn't like about each of those matches." Whoopty friggin' doo bruh! Great Khali had a great match with John Cena, you just don't think so because it's Khali and Cena and you refuse to admit that Cena has ever done anything good. That makes you a smark. Nobody is mad that you have an opinion, it's that you won't let anyone else have theirs. So you're giving me excuses as to why Cena can't pull of a simple move looking crisp. In my opinion, Cena's match with Khali sucked. I don't refuse to admit Cena has ever done anything good, I think he is extremely overrated as a wrestler. I don't think he is good and I can tell everyone why I don't think he's good. I'm not pulling this stuff out of my ass, if you don't think I have a point whatsoever and I am just crazy than you are the one that needs to get your head checked. Actually, I am letting people have theirs. I posted a comment in an unpopular opinions thread, one person respectfully disagreed and that's cool. But 4 more come at me just because I think Cena isn't good. The only comments I am debating in the other thread are the ones that directly dispute my comment, or the ones that call me stupid for thinking Cena is bad. Shove the work "smark" up your ass. It's 2015, can we stop labelling people already? You literally are refusing to give Cena credit for anything by saying his opponent's do all the work. That's smark talk. Therefore, if the shoe fits, wear it. Nobody cares if you don't like Cena as a wrestler, it's moreso baffling as to how you can give him absolutely zero credit. You don't think he's good because he doesn't sell, he calls spots loudly, his strikes look fake and you think he has five moves that he always botches. Literally nobody cares, man. I'm done arguing with you. Watch some wrestling without your bias. You might actually enjoy it.
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Post by CrazyCanuck on Jun 30, 2015 11:59:49 GMT -5
So the main event of last night had 2 kick outs where as Cena's match had 18. Any match ever? Stretch. Most matches? Still a stretch. What the does the number of kickouts have to do with the quality of the match? Because Cena's match has more kick outs than any other match on the card, which in turn gets the fans to chant "this is awesome" They don't chant it for many other matches, but for Cena's they do. The fans buy it hook, line and sinker. And I was responding to his comment where he said that Cena's matches are equivalent to every second half of a match ever because of the kick outs. My point is that Cena is not a good wrestler and his matches are overrated.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 12:00:01 GMT -5
To get back on track..
"Cowboy" James Storm > "Revolution" James Storm.
I can't express how much I loved the Cowboy gimmick.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 12:00:28 GMT -5
What the does the number of kickouts have to do with the quality of the match? Because Cena's match has more kick outs than any other match on the card, which in turn gets the fans to chant "this is awesome" They don't chant it for many other matches, but for Cena's they do. The fans buy it hook, line and sinker. And I was responding to his comment where he said that Cena's matches are equivalent to every second half of a match ever because of the kick outs. My point is that Cena is not a good wrestler and his matches are overrated. Or maybe they're chanting "this is awesome" because the match is good. I'm done.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 12:01:55 GMT -5
What the does the number of kickouts have to do with the quality of the match? Because Cena's match has more kick outs than any other match on the card, which in turn gets the fans to chant "this is awesome" They don't chant it for many other matches, but for Cena's they do. The fans buy it hook, line and sinker. And I was responding to his comment where he said that Cena's matches are equivalent to every second half of a match ever because of the kick outs. My point is that Cena is not a good wrestler and his matches are overrated. You must hate the Rock/Austin Trilogy.
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Post by CrazyCanuck on Jun 30, 2015 12:02:35 GMT -5
Great match? With Khali? Wait, what? Is your eyesight working correctly? I remember time and time again stating that Cena's matches were good because of the style of match, the constant kick outs, and his opponents. Remove one component and instead of having a 5 star match (to a lot of people) he has a 3 star match. Sigh. I wanna be done dude. He never had a GREAT 4 STAR match with Khali, but the best and probably only good match of Khali's career came against Cena. There were no constant kick outs at the time, his opponent was putrid and the style of match was done the only way would could do one with Khali. Nothing special. I've only seen one Cena match I would call five stars and that was at Money in the Bank 2011, where he, in my mind, outperformed Punk and I love Punk. The constant kickouts actually deter from his matches to me. It's the main reason why I prefer Cena/Owens at EC to Cena/Owens at MITB. It's why I enjoyed his match with Cesaro but didn't think it was out of this world. Cena can have good to great matches. He's had them with nearly everyone. Ambrose, Punk, Bryan, Owens, Batista, HBK, HHH, Edge, JBL, Umaga, Orton, Stardust, Neville, Brock, Seth, Bray, Rusev, and tons of others. He's also had bad matches with some of those guys. It happens. The good outweighs the bad. Now please, I don't want to waste time in here again. Ok cool. That's you opinion and I respect it.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jun 30, 2015 12:02:51 GMT -5
Are you the real Steve Buscemi?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 12:04:47 GMT -5
Are you the real Steve Buscemi? Yes
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Post by CrazyCanuck on Jun 30, 2015 12:05:58 GMT -5
Because Cena's match has more kick outs than any other match on the card, which in turn gets the fans to chant "this is awesome" They don't chant it for many other matches, but for Cena's they do. The fans buy it hook, line and sinker. And I was responding to his comment where he said that Cena's matches are equivalent to every second half of a match ever because of the kick outs. My point is that Cena is not a good wrestler and his matches are overrated. Or maybe they're chanting "this is awesome" because the match is good. I'm done. I've seen many matches on Raw or on WWE PPV's that were good but the fans didn't chant "this is awesome." Those matches didn't have constant kick outs. I also noticed that during Cena's matches they don't chant "this is awesome" after a crazy spot or a great move, it's after a kick out (majority of them are kick outs of a finisher). So you can take it the way you want but in my eyes, it's a clear indication that all the fans care about are kick outs.
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Post by CrazyCanuck on Jun 30, 2015 12:08:16 GMT -5
Because Cena's match has more kick outs than any other match on the card, which in turn gets the fans to chant "this is awesome" They don't chant it for many other matches, but for Cena's they do. The fans buy it hook, line and sinker. And I was responding to his comment where he said that Cena's matches are equivalent to every second half of a match ever because of the kick outs. My point is that Cena is not a good wrestler and his matches are overrated. You must hate the Rock/Austin Trilogy. Those were Wresltemania matches where it is okay to be over the top, but we are talking about every week on Raw the wrestling finisher is proved to be nothing. It's a bit ridiculous in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 12:08:34 GMT -5
Or maybe they're chanting "this is awesome" because the match is good. I'm done. I've seen many matches on Raw or on WWE PPV's that were good but the fans didn't chant "this is awesome." Those matches didn't have constant kick outs. I also noticed that during Cena's matches they don't chant "this is awesome" after a crazy spot or a great move, it's after a kick out (majority of them are kick outs of a finisher). So you can take it the way you want but in my eyes, it's a clear indication that all the fans care about are kick outs. After any awesome wrestling match, the This is Awesome chants start after a nearfall. That is not exclusive to Cena.
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Post by CrazyCanuck on Jun 30, 2015 12:09:29 GMT -5
So you're giving me excuses as to why Cena can't pull of a simple move looking crisp. In my opinion, Cena's match with Khali sucked. I don't refuse to admit Cena has ever done anything good, I think he is extremely overrated as a wrestler. I don't think he is good and I can tell everyone why I don't think he's good. I'm not pulling this stuff out of my ass, if you don't think I have a point whatsoever and I am just crazy than you are the one that needs to get your head checked. Actually, I am letting people have theirs. I posted a comment in an unpopular opinions thread, one person respectfully disagreed and that's cool. But 4 more come at me just because I think Cena isn't good. The only comments I am debating in the other thread are the ones that directly dispute my comment, or the ones that call me stupid for thinking Cena is bad. Shove the work "smark" up your ass. It's 2015, can we stop labelling people already? You literally are refusing to give Cena credit for anything by saying his opponent's do all the work. That's smark talk. Therefore, if the shoe fits, wear it. Nobody cares if you don't like Cena as a wrestler, it's moreso baffling as to how you can give him absolutely zero credit. You don't think he's good because he doesn't sell, he calls spots loudly, his strikes look fake and you think he has five moves that he always botches. Literally nobody cares, man. I'm done arguing with you. Watch some wrestling without your bias. You might actually enjoy it. If you don't care, why do you keep responding to my opinion!! It makes no sense. That's stupid.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 12:11:08 GMT -5
You must hate the Rock/Austin Trilogy. Those were Wresltemania matches where it is okay to be over the top, but we are talking about every week on Raw the wrestling finisher is proved to be nothing. It's a bit ridiculous in my opinion. That's great, except in wrestling when you go out there for the sole purpose of having a good match, instead of progressing a story in the ring, you go all out. That includes adding drama and excitement to the match. The kickouts, while a tad excessive I'll admit, helped make Cesaro look like he was on John Cena's level. Last night they were able to both progress a story AND put on a great match. It wasn't all Cesaro, buddy. It actually does take two to tango, despite what YOSHIHIKO might say.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jun 30, 2015 12:11:11 GMT -5
Just adding one more thing.
While I do not agree that Cena sucks, I do hate the over reliance on kickouts in matches. Not just his, but it happens mostly there. It takes multiple AA's to put midcarders down sometimes, which is a bad look.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 12:14:18 GMT -5
My unpopular opinion OF THE DAY:
I kind of want Ziggler off my TV until they find him something interesting. This love angle is pretty crap.
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